VN Ren'Py New Horizon [v0.3] [KawaiiSukebe]

[woofer90]

honestly devs have no obligation to have accurate tags on a pirate site.

The game was tagged as Vanilla on Patreon and Itchio, so its not something just in the pirate site.

even then sometimes a dev changes their mind about a storyline or something. So it isn't always gonna be accurate. For that reason I don't really agree with saying dev's Lie on tags unless it's like a Chapter 1 or they say something won't happen and it does.

I can see your point, but in this case i have to disagree, i dont think the dev lied, but i do think he made a tagging mistake, vanilla and prostitution are pretty much in a different line altogether, they just dont match.

Vanilla is such a basic tag that it affects the whole development, changing such a core thing is not the same for example, as say adding or removing foot fetish. Its the type of thing that should be decided in the start of development and stuck with it, or you will have a reaction like we had in here.

 

[Joratox]

Tbh, tags are put in by mods, not by devs (the ones you can filter games on when you search, the ones in the OP are sometimes put by devs, but mostly by mods that get them from the thread or the game itself). And the definition of tags is made by f95zone, not by devs.
Even so, the tags are there to give you a collection of sexual fetishes/practices that happen in the game. People keep saying that vanilla doesn't work with prostitution. It doesn't have to. It's a collection of things, they don't need to match each other. Does it have vanilla sex in it ? Yes it does...so by that standard, it has a vanilla tag. Does it have prostitution ?..it sure seems that way, so it has that tag. These don't need to be exclusive to each other, tags are never exclusive to each other for any game out there that has choices in it.

I see people complaining about the harem tag and how it's a fake harem. How is this even remotely logical in this case ? For all intents and purposes, as we know so far, you will be able to get all LIs at some point. If you choose to ignore a LI (for whatever reason) it will still be a harem game if you choose at least 3 of them. Even if some are exclusive to each other, if there are at least 3 of them, it's a harem, by all definitions made by this site. If your personal definition of a harem game is not what this site says when it tags game with it, then that is on you, not the mods and not the dev. Nobody lied to you mates, get over yourselves.

All that being said, the dev can choose to ignore whatever definitions you or me or the mods make and just tell the story he wants to tell. The fact that us mighty pirates don't agree with him means nothing. Stop whining and being toxic about everything that is not 100% your way.

Can we talk about the game and make theories about it, speculations, even suggestions if you will, but in a more polite manner and with arguments on why there is that feedback said ? Having a personal bias is not an argument btw. You can say freely that you don't like that character, or that storyline or whatever else, but don't come screeching and yelling and spamming "REEE, that tag, or the other tag, or the other thing, this game sucks 1 star"...when at the end you are still playing each update, follow each thing about the game, or else you wouldn't be here wasting time, right ? Because that's your main thing, no ? You say you want the game to be properly tagged so you don't waste time ? then stop wasting time if it's so goddamn precious to you.

 

[Meiri]

I was not sure if I was the only one that was cringing from this. I'm like trying to force myself to endure it, but it's getting hard to.

You can (and you should if immersion is important to you) disable both options "meme cut-ins" disables 4th wall breaks and "Shut up Ks" disables dev comments, which from what I've seen are also jokes from IRL most of the time. Without those options, it should be just the normal story.

 

[PiroCK]

Great update 0.3 , i just have some simple questions.
Is or will there be a way to check the girls progress /points somewhere ? I know the walkthough mod adds it.
And who will be the real Main Girls ?
I m perfectly fine with just Miharu and Ayase , Chika is nice but feels more like a side girl , Kaho is meh and Noa looks just like an edgey Miharu without the charms, adding more girls just for the thrill of it will only dilute the quality for the existing ones , but thats just my opinion. Thanks

 

[Joratox]

And who will be the real Main Girls ?

From what the dev said in the last post:
"I would say that you shouldn't see the girls in my game as purely "Love interests". They're just more prominent characters that are featured in the stories and ones that you can interact with. I don't consider my game a typical AVN. I'm merely writing stories I want to present."


But it's probably a safe bet to consider Miharu, Ayase, Kaho, Chika and Noa main LIs. I don't think there are gonna be new ones popping up in the next updates, maybe some side ones.

Maybe the dev will answer more, or someone with more knowledge about the other stuff you asked. GL

 

[kamsae]

You can (and you should if immersion is important to you) disable both options "meme cut-ins" disables 4th wall breaks and "Shut up Ks" disables dev comments, which from what I've seen are also jokes from IRL most of the time. Without those options, it should be just the normal story.

i did but i still got a joke about skyrim and tes6

 

[kamsae]

You can block the memes and dev comments in settings. Dunno why you have to endure it if you don't like it. I personally enjoy some 4th wall shit.

it stops some of them but not all of them. i dont mind it a couple times, but its too often for me.

 

[Gojii]

As for those few who's calling this NTR and not vanilla, well... All I can say is that you don't really fully understand the meaning of those tags, and you made judgement too quickly. Her story is only just starting. If you actually try to overcome your prejudice and try to uncover her, you will know more about the truth.

Hardly anyone is calling it NTR, but since the MC is associating with a prostitiute (regardless of her reasons) with the game's intent to have you (optional) turn her into an LI its iffy at best to call it vanilla (especially considering... well she's going to continue servicing other dudes, at least initially at minimum and you KNOW this).

To tell people who feel mislead about a game pitched as vanilla harem that they don't know what their (clearly) favorite genre is, is a braindead reaction. People aren't expecting a "vanilla" harem game go into it expecting them all to be virgins, especially given literal MILFs are typically those a part of many harem games. Dude sort of implying it somehow needs NTR for it to cease being vanilla is even dumber.

I'm completely fine with a potential LI having a sad background as a prostitute, but this high dose copium from the dev turned me off more than anything. It could be a deep and compelling situation that pulls at your heart, but if the dev is being equally as much a baby about it as some of the people getting over the top over this, I doubt the backstory will be too creative.

>"Prejudice"
Bro... what? idubbz, is that you?

 

[ImSenjou]

You guys have been discussing this for weeks, and the dev has already made a post about it, give the dev a vote of confidence.

The way he addressed the concerns about Chika being a "prostitute", with such emphasis on the quotation marks, makes me think that maybe she isn't a prostitute, she may have just said that to test the MC or to push him away, which she has done more than once, and for good reason.

For those who missed it, here's what the dev had to say about Chika:

A girl you met a week ago and only talked to a few times won't just magically spills all of the secrets and stories about herself. You have to know that relationship takes time, especially for someone who was hurt so many times like her, if you're really interested in her, help her open up her heart, instead of giving her another bad experience.
There's a lot you need to uncover about her story to fully understand, and the truth will surprise you.
This has become like a test or experiment. Some stop caring and walk away as soon as they see that there are some indications that she's a "prostitute"(the quotation marks matter, as you will understand it in future updates), and never try to fully understand her. They will miss out on some good stories, and the truth is not what everybody thinks.
As for those few who's calling this NTR or not vanilla, well... All I can say is that you don't really fully understand the meaning of those tags, and you made judgement too quickly. Her story is only just starting. If you actually try to overcome your prejudice and try to uncover her, you will know more about the truth. But if you still decide against it, it's very easy to end her route as well. I didn't force you to go through with her story, it's completely up to you. What I can say is that this is not a NTR game, and is vanilla. You will understand if you're willing to play future updates and actually uncover her story.

Personally, I think that Chika has been abused, that's what the flashbacks implied, she wanted help, she accepted help, but those who tried to help her betrayed and hurt her, that's why she's alone, that's why she tries to push people away, and that's why she doesn't trust those who try to offer help, she already expects to be betrayed or abused.
She still wants help, but she tries not to have hope, that's why she tested the MC after telling him that she was a prostitute, in that scene, I think that by having sex with her, you'll be proving that you are like all the others who hurt her in the past.

I choose to trust the dev, maybe Chika isn't a prostitute, and maybe she has a more important role than just being a LI, think about it.

 

[Juerhullycin]

You guys have been discussing this for weeks, and the dev has already made a post about it, give the dev a vote of confidence.

The way he addressed the concerns about Chika being a "prostitute", with such emphasis on the quotation marks, makes me think that maybe she isn't a prostitute, she may have just said that to test the MC or to push him away, which she has done more than once, and for good reason.

For those who missed it, here's what the dev had to say about Chika:


Personally, I think that Chika has been abused, that's what the flashbacks implied, she wanted help, she accepted help, but those who tried to help her betrayed and hurt her, that's why she's alone, that's why she tries to push people away, and that's why she doesn't trust those who try to offer help, she already expects to be betrayed or abused.
She still wants help, but she tries not to have hope, that's why she tested the MC after telling him that she was a prostitute, in that scene, I think that by having sex with her, you'll be proving that you are like all the others who hurt her in the past.

I choose to trust the dev, maybe Chika isn't a prostitute, and maybe she has a more important role than just being a LI, think about it.

cool story bro. Maybe tell that to your hairdresser or someone else that cares for Chika.

 

[Dessolos]

cool story bro. Maybe tell that to your hairdresser or someone else that cares for Chika.

Well I care about Chika without playing the update yet I feel people are being too harsh knowing a summary of her backstory but that is just me and my opinion that no one cares about. Chika probably gonna be my new #1 or least #2 LI for the game when I play it

 

[Gojii]

My issue is more the dev reaction to the criticism than anything. You can't be an h-dev (first time or not, if you've been playing them you know how people get annoyed over several if not dozens of types of content they don't like) and not know how pissy people get when they feel a dev is changing course from what they assume was presented to them. Its a known factor how people overreact over porn games.

That the dev isn't just accepting it for the fact that there are people that LIKED their game enough to get riled up over and instead taking shots at them isn't going to lead to people to consider them versus others. Is it fair that they should get berated? Absolutely not. Especially given its something "minor" like mere backstory.

But if the dev was testing where the line of of what the players of their game would be cool with shifting away from the initial "vanilla harem" game they were expecting, then its entirely fine that people let them know they wouldn't like any sort of shift from it. But if anyone got personal about it, (idk?) that's shitty if it went there.

Given they went to buzzwords like saying people were "prejudiced" against a FICTIONAL CHARACTER.... I really am inclined to wonder if they're mad because they really were testing the waters and realized the people into their game aren't receptive to anything other than vanilla harem.


That they're berating players that vanillabros somehow don't know what a "Vanilla" game would entail? idk, seems a bit weird to me they're reacting like that in a dev blog post. Not really something that will make me more inclined to back/follow their games.

 

[Juerhullycin]

My issue is more the dev reaction to the criticism than anything. You can't be an h-dev (first time or not, if you've been playing them you know how people get annoyed over several if not dozens of types of content they don't like) and not know how pissy people get when they feel a dev is changing course from what they assume was presented to them. Its a known factor how people overreact over porn games.

That the dev isn't just accepting it for the fact that there are people that LIKED their game enough to get riled up over and instead taking shots at them isn't going to lead to people to consider them versus others. Is it fair that they should get berated? Absolutely not. Especially given its something "minor" like mere backstory.

But if the dev was testing where the line of of what the players of their game would be cool with shifting away from the initial "vanilla harem" game they were expecting, then its entirely fine that people let them know they wouldn't like any sort of shift from it. But if anyone got personal about it, (idk?) that's shitty if it went there.

Given they went to buzzwords like saying people were "prejudiced" against a FICTIONAL CHARACTER.... I really am inclined to wonder if they're mad because they really were testing the waters and realized the people into their game aren't receptive to anything other than vanilla harem.


That they're berating players that vanillabros somehow don't know what a "Vanilla" game would entail? idk, seems a bit weird to me they're reacting like that in a dev blog post. Not really something that will make me more inclined to back/follow their games.

at this point i have seen it far to often to see it for anything than testing the water, because its always exactly that.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

She still wants help, but she tries not to have hope, that's why she tested the MC after telling him that she was a prostitute, in that scene, I think that by having sex with her, you'll be proving that you are like all the others who hurt her in the past.

The truth is that those who like or don't mind sex with prostitutes will prefer sex with her, while those who don't want to have anything to do with prostitutes will be the ones who automatically choose to avoid sex with her. In fact, the latter are possibly the most willing to hurt her feelings since once they know she is a prostitute, their interest in her will be null. So as a test it's basically ineffective.

I choose to trust the dev, maybe Chika isn't a prostitute, and maybe she has a more important role than just being a LI, think about it.

If Chika isn't a prostitute at the end, it's probably because Dev has reconsidered after the fact (maybe that was the original idea, but I find that unlikely). It's his game anyway, and he can decide to change whatever he wants for whatever reasons he sees fit.

In any case, almost all those who don't want a relationship with a prostitute will have avoided following her path, while those who either consider her being a prostitute a positive thing (i.e., don't really want her to stop being one) or who don't care whether she is or not, will continue on her path.

 

[Gojii]

The truth is that those who like or don't mind sex with prostitutes will prefer sex with her, while those who don't want to have anything to do with prostitutes will be the ones who automatically choose to avoid sex with her. In fact, the latter are possibly the most willing to hurt her feelings since once they know she is a prostitute, their interest in her will be null. So as a test it's basically ineffective.



If Chika isn't a prostitute at the end, it's probably because Dev has reconsidered after the fact (maybe that was the original idea, but I find that unlikely). It's his game anyway, and he can decide to change whatever he wants for whatever reasons he sees fit.

In any case, almost all those who don't want a relationship with a prostitute will have avoided following her path, while those who either consider her being a prostitute a positive thing (i.e., don't really want her to stop being one) or who don't care whether she is or not, will continue on her path.

Agreed 100% I don't even have an issue to it personally either way. I'll keep tabs on the game, as people usually don't react so strongly (wariness that a dev will tone shift to bait donos (that typically don't even materialize in the end = abandoned) is a common thing past few years) over a game they didn't think was any good.

 

[Meiri]

While I am not really convinced about Chika's current story. I would say we are still lacking a lot of information as we only have her telling us in a way that honestly felt like she was testing us and later on we see her leaving with what appears to be an older dude, while it is suspicious it could also be misleading.

I think we need to see more of Chika's perspective on future chapters before judging her, If not there are plenty of other girls in this game that are interesting enough.

 

[Juerhullycin]

While I am not really convinced about Chika's current story. I would say we are still lacking a lot of information as we only have her telling us in a way that honestly felt like she was testing us and later on we see her leaving with what appears to be an older dude, while it is suspicious it could also be misleading.

I think we need to see more of Chika's perspective on future chapters before judging her, If not there are plenty of other girls in this game that are interesting enough.

if people tell you who they are trust them

 

[MDK Rhino]

I don't know if this is where I should ask... but what's the name of the title song? I swear I just keep the game on the title alone and go to sleep with the music vibes, when I should clearly be gooning instead.

 

[Jimskeleton]

I don't know if this is where I should ask... but what's the name of the title song? I swear I just keep the game on the title alone and go to sleep with the music vibes, when I should clearly be gooning instead.

 

[envyNox]

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Hello world! KS here~
This post is a bit long, I apologize in advance, but there are some important things (New Year, Wallpaper, Chika) I want to tell you, so I hope you'll read them all if you have time.
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Hello 2025
Happy New Year! We're in 2025 now! I know I'm a bit late to 2025 than everybody else, but hear me out please.
I was down with a pretty severe flu since the last few days of last year, and I had only mostly recovered now. I've been bed-ridden for almost two weeks. That means I spent my birthday and New Year's Eve in my bed coughing and being miserable.
Yeah, it wasn't fun but I didn't choose to be sick either, just being unlucky. I was also very busy prior to getting flu, as you all know I didn't get any holiday during Christmas season, and rather my work got even busier during that period.
Fear not, I have almost recovered by now! Now I got tons of work and things to catch up to. Don't worry, I have arranged a little holiday for myself in the coming weeks, so KS won't be a skeleton any time soon.
Anyway, I hope you all had a great holiday season and enjoyed some quality time with your friends, family, and loved ones.

For those who knew and remembered my birthday and gave me a good wish and blessings in my server, thank you all. I have seen them, but I didn't have the energy to answer to them at that time. However, I have received them, so I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

Wallpaper for everyone
Some people have been asking about the banner art for my Patreon page and also my Discord server, and they seem to really like it. That's why I decided to make it a wallpaper for everyone to celebrate the new year and two years of New Horizon.
Thank you all for supporting me and the game for such a long time. We'll continue to stride forward.

Regarding Chika
Here I will be addressing some concerns and misunderstandings regarding Chika in the update 0.3.

It's interesting to see the many reactions from the players about Chika's development so far. I see some prejudice and some are very quick to judge. If you just want quick sex and super fast relationships then my game is definitely not for you. This is more about how characters overcome their past and sufferings, and really get to know each other. Just like real life. You learn more about someone as you spend more time with them, in various different situations. You can choose to love them, or ignore them. You're not forced to go with any specific route.
I guess some immediately think it's gonna be love or relationship from the start. However, it could be friendship or just wanna help someone get a better life. She helped your sister too. Many don't realize that a lot of love also starts from friendships.
I would say that you shouldn't see the girls in my game as purely "Love interests". They're just more prominent characters that are featured in the stories and ones that you can interact with. I don't consider my game a typical AVN. I'm merely writing stories I want to present.
That being said, you can still help Chika, without being in love with her.


A girl you met a week ago and only talked to a few times won't just magically spills all of the secrets and stories about herself. You have to know that relationship takes time, especially for someone who was hurt so many times like her, if you're really interested in her, help her open up her heart, instead of giving her another bad experience.
There's a lot you need to uncover about her story to fully understand, and the truth will surprise you.
This has become like a test or experiment. Some stop caring and walk away as soon as they see that there are some indications that she's a "prostitute"(the quotation marks matter, as you will understand it in future updates), and never try to fully understand her. They will miss out on some good stories, and the truth is not what everybody thinks.
As for those few who's calling this NTR or not vanilla, well... All I can say is that you don't really fully understand the meaning of those tags, and you made judgement too quickly. Her story is only just starting. If you actually try to overcome your prejudice and try to uncover her, you will know more about the truth. But if you still decide against it, it's very easy to end her route as well. I didn't force you to go through with her story, it's completely up to you. What I can say is that this is not a NTR game, and is vanilla. You will understand if you're willing to play future updates and actually uncover her story.


Do you really expect every girl you see to be a complete virgin? That no girls had prior sex experience with their ex or whoever? We already have some girls that are virgins. I don't want to make it into some virgin collector game. Don't forget, MC isn't a virgin as well, he had an ex, so please stop having double standards. My game has its own unique audience. So for those who don't like it, you got like at least 1000 other AVNs to try, no need to leave useless hateful comments or reviews about that one thing you don't agree with(the toxic players). Provide some actual feedback please.
It’s okay to not like her, I respect your preference. But I definitely have no respect for those that make fun of her suffering and status, or leave 1 star review just because they hate “prostitute”. They’re the exact kind of people Chika is referring to in the story, and the reason why we can’t have nice things. Everyone and every job deserve respect, even if you don’t agree with or like it.
Whatever the case is, I stand by the story I’m creating, I don’t really care if some fainthearted players don’t like it because they can’t take it. If they’re not willing to try to see past their own prejudice and judgment, and watch how the story plays out, then I don’t really want them to play my game either. This is clearly not for them.

People will keep talking, while I keep cooking.



Anyway, that was a long post. I originally didn't plan to make this, but I guess I should make some things more clear here.

I hope you all will have a good 2025, and yes, including you haters. I don't discriminate. Have a good one.

Sincerely, KS

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