VN Ren'Py No More Money [v3.5.1 S3 Ep.5 GE] [RoyalCandy]

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Tortoise62

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Jan 18, 2018
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I try not to get involved too much in this kind of situations, but I feel like a lot of developers around here are being a little bit misstreated and accused. Let me just do some simple math for everyone around.
After more than 2 years of doing this I can say that I'm one of the guys who do renders quite fast. I know my asset library and I know a thing or two about how to do a game. I know that there are other people who are way better than me, but a lot of the developers are on the same level as me. So let me tell you what would mean to create a version with 950 renders and 50 animations for someone like me.

I takes me around 10 minutes to do the posing. Because some of them are easier and I get them done in like 3/4 minutes while others take up to 20 minutes. So let's say it takes me 10 minutes for a render:

10m * 950posing = 9.500m = 158hours

A smooth 24frames animations for a second takes around 20 minutes

20m * 50animations = 1.000m = 16hours

For me to write a text worth of 1000 renders it's going to take easily up to 70hours, because it's not like someone is dictating me stuff. I need to think them, rewrite them, adjust them.

text = 70h

Now only my work will take 244hours. It doesn't sound too bad up until now, but that's not all there is to a game. There are preparation, character design, preparing the scenes, doing the render tests, photoshop, color correction and so on and all this things take time. Because it's not like we open up a scene and then just do the posing.

Beside that, most of us have decent computers, but we don't have the power of big developers. In my situation I have 2x1080TI, which is more than plenty of others developers and even so, it takes me 1h to make the render. And just like most of the people we don't have two different computers. One for posing, one for rendering. When we're doing the pose and making the scene the computer doesn't render.

So beside the 244hours you need to add 900hours render time for the still images and around 500hours for the animations (in the case where you lower the settings to save time and pay the cost of the quality).

So in my case to make an episode worth of 1000 renders(animations included) it would take me around 1.500 hours. Yeah there are things you can do when the computer is rendering, but still 1.500 hours for a single developer who is doing this as a part time job is pretty much if you ask me.

So if you don't like the fact that developers are making short episodes go there and support them. Help them get better rig. Help them make this as a full time job. There are a lot of talented people who don't get enough credit, because you are comparing them to big developers which is not fair.

The same thing goes for me. If you really enjoy my work and would love longer episodes with more content, consider supporting me, because it's hard. We all have 24h in a day. We need to work 8-10hours/day, then we need to work on a hobby project a few more hours. Which would mean that we have to do big sacrifices. Sacrifice friends and family!

So if you just want to jerk off go and watch a porn. There are plenty, but if you want to play a good game, support the developers.
Well said, people on this site are toxic af.
 

royalcandy

No More Secrets
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Well said, people on this site are toxic af.
Maybe, but this is still the best place for players to find games and for small developers to promote their game.

So I guess this is the cost, but as long as there are people who are willing to enjoy the work we as developers do, everything should be just fine.
 
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Lerd0

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Well said, people on this site are toxic af.
No they aren't.....anyone that tries to be gets Yeeted by the Mods.....
...so many worse places than f95........
..see even my previous comment got Yeeted.....
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Smarmint

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Yes, but this is still the best place for players to find games and for small developers to promote their game.
Very true. F95 is better than most forums. Even there are some complainers, usually the fans step in and defend the devs. We are all getting the game for free, unless we decide to support them on Patron.

I would have never heard of No More Secrets if it weren't for this site. I even supported it on Patreon for awhile. I loved that game a lot, and some of the scenes, like the one with the teacher, are some of the all time hottest scenes in games here, in my opinion.

As a dev you need thick skin, but thanks for hanging around here to promote your game and chat with your fans. Devs that make the effort get a lot of extra support. All the games I support are because I like what the dev is doing with their game, and because they are pretty good about interacting with the fans here.
 

Tortoise62

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Jan 18, 2018
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Very true. F95 is better than most forums. Even there are some complainers, usually the fans step in and defend the devs. We are all getting the game for free, unless we decide to support them on Patron.

I would have never heard of No More Secrets if it weren't for this site. I even supported it on Patreon for awhile. I loved that game a lot, and some of the scenes, like the one with the teacher, are some of the all time hottest scenes in games here, in my opinion.

As a dev you need thick skin, but thanks for hanging around here to promote your game and chat with your fans. Devs that make the effort get a lot of extra support. All the games I support are because I like what the dev is doing with their game, and because they are pretty good about interacting with the fans here.
Oh, I fully agree, F95 is the best thing to happen to Ren'Py devs literally ever. Just saying it's a blessing and a curse. Sure other forums may be worse and I agree that people do a good job of calling out haters and toxic people, but it doesn't mean they don't exist. It's not the end of the world of course, toxicity exists everywhere to varying degrees. And also not every thread is moderated.

Love your work Royal, been following since early NMS. Keep it up and def don't let negative comments get to you!
 

Kame-Sennin

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Aug 29, 2017
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So no more secret--> no more rejected - - - > no more money - - - > next? No more no more? XD
Next would be No More Games . So this is the reason why Rejected No More is onhold, can't judge right now I haven't played both games yet so I don't know which one is better and I love No More Secrets so I'm gonna follow both
 
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At first I saw this game and I was like hmm might be interesting I will see what its about.
And then I saw they also made No More Secrets which was decent enough (minus the being related stuff)
But if I remember correctly that was fairly avoidable as far as these games go.
And that they also did Rejected No More which thus far also wasn't bad.

But then I saw that Rejected was tagged On Hold.
Which makes me reconsider downloading this one. Because if Rejected was put on hold so soon it doesn't give me much confidence for this one.
 

ArturiousDesign

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I have an odd problem. I followed the walkthrough and everything was fine. when I started my other playthrough and went through the walkthrough, even though I have all the points, the sister gets mad at the beach when you pop a boner laying on top of her. Every following playthrough is the same. idk how to fix this.
 
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