VN Ren'Py Nothing Is Forever [v0.7.3] [MrSilverLust]

[asehpe]

Thanks for the kind words. Out of curiosity, which Jen path did you play?



My first instinct is to advise against playing other Jen's paths. Or at least to think twice before doing so. It's just that, you probably won't like them. Trying other girls should be fine.

The reason for that is that characters are designed to be consistent within paths, but not necessarily across them. In some cases, it's like they aren't even the same person, and more like an alternative version of themselves that can behave differently, like different things, have different personality traits, memories, etc (I don't know if you have seen the tv show Fringe, but it'd be something like that).

Add to that that paths can be very different romantically and kinky wise, and you can see how you might really like a character in one path and hate it in another.

In fact, that's kind of the goal: design paths different enough that a given player really only likes one of them. And, at the same time, keep it consistent between each path and use as much as possible of common scenes to save on workload. It's like a carefully constructed illusion and playing different paths, especially if you end up not liking them, can shatter the illusion. And, like in any magic trick, some people might find it interesting to learn how a magic trick is done, while others might just lose that wow factor if they look behind the curtain.

Well, it's a very well done sequence of events that you've come up with here. But I wonder if I should ask you directly -- is the decrease in MC's introspection some kind of character building? I mean, the last release had the MC get involved with various girls doing various, at a certain point contradictory kinks; for a guy who started out trying to get out of his near-depression, I get the feeling that he wouldn't be as ready to go out with various different girls. Especially his suggestion to Kim that she stop using Pete and switch to him (MC) instead seemed almost jarring to me. It feels less like a guy trying to figure out his kinks and more like a guy trying to get as many girls as possible (the 'traditional male stereotype'). I'm just curious, is this going somewhere? Do you have plans for the future development of MC, now that he has submitted his Ph.D. proposal?

 

[MrSilverLust]

Do you mean, that on different path not only the sex and kinks related dialogs are different but all the others too (like playing chess with a hustler or holidays ones). if so - I bring my sincere apologies for underestimating the amount of work you put in this project

No, if anything it might be the other way around. Events that you might think you influenced with your choices happen no matter what and it cheapens the value. Or that you thought that a character really share the mc's (and yours by extension) kinks, just to find out she'd say yes to anything. To be fair, this doesn't seem to be the case for you, so perhaps I'm barking at the wrong tree and you'd actually have plenty of fun trying other routes. Everyone is different.

But, I think this next quote is also a good example of this kind of disenchantment with the game happening if you try too many routes. So, I'll answer that to continue this discussion.

I mean, the last release had the MC get involved with various girls doing various, at a certain point contradictory kinks; for a guy who started out trying to get out of his near-depression, I get the feeling that he wouldn't be as ready to go out with various different girls. Especially his suggestion to Kim that she stop using Pete and switch to him (MC) instead seemed almost jarring to me. It feels less like a guy trying to figure out his kinks and more like a guy trying to get as many girls as possible (the 'traditional male stereotype').

I'm not sure if I find this criticism valid: the MC only goes out with various different girls, or indulges in contradictory kinks, or suggests to Kim that she should stop using Pete and switch to him instead, or tries to get as many girls as possible, or do the things you're frowning upon if you choose to. If you see Nif as a story about a guy that is trying to get out of his near-depression and is not ready to go out with various different girls, why did you make all those choices that go against the way you think the MC would behave?


From my POV, within the very limited range of motion that a AVN like this can give to their players, I think NiF does a good job at giving players agency for telling their own story and interpreting it in their own way. Let me explain.

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Now, you may say that some of these interpretations are wacky as fuck and don't seem realistic at all. While others are more relatable to you or how you see the MC. To that I'd suggest you find one timeline that you like and tell that story. Just because you think some of these other timelines are unfun/unrealistic doesn't mean that everyone will think the same. Should I block those options just because you think they are unrealistic?


But this is also the reason why, when I see something like this, where someone found a set of events they really liked:

I played Jen's storyline and was fully commited to it. Of course I tried another branches if they didn't broke Jen's route, but none of them gave me such immersion level and emotions as Jen's.

I tend to recommend them to not poke around too much. Because they can definitely find some dark timelines there where the characters behave in ways they don't like, or seem to make any sense to them, or change the way they look at them, or have kinks they don't like, etc.

 

[Joshy92]

I know it might sound silly to some
But in my path, I consider the mc & Jen to be deeply in love with each other
even after Jen had sex with Carl

To me that doesn't diminish the love they have for each other
It strengthens their bond imo

 

[Mister_M]

Since we never see MC doing things with Mel and we meet him after all that drama, or most of it anyway, I never had any deep consideration about this (past) chapter of his life. My MC - in a way - is not the same guy who did all these things in the past; he doesn't try to heal or to punish himself or do anything based on his past actions, because I try to make him more like me (on my main playthrough at least). So while I appreciate that part of the plot, the internal monologues, etc. they do not inform my choices in a game a single bit; I rejected Mel dream sequence at the beginning, cause I don't care too much about MC's past beyond what I see in a game, so I don't want to see him too attached to it either. My MC mostly tries to involve himself in the things I do or would like to do myself. I kinda treat NiF as close as I can to an RPG game.

Of course for the general plot it could mean that it all can be interpreted as him trying to punish himself - as my main playthrough focuses on femdom (without Kim tho) - but if I would to look at my MC's actions in the context of the whole plot I'd say he became a guy who found his freedom in accepting what he really likes, in letting some of the pressure move away from him, and started - or slowly starts - enjoying (exploring) his newfound (but most likely always existing within him) kinks in a way that doesn't harm anyone.

 

[Bombmaster]

I know it might sound silly to some
But in my path, I consider the mc & Jen to be deeply in love with each other
even after Jen had sex with Carl

To me that doesn't diminish the love they have for each other
It strengthens their bond imo

Why I'm not surprised you did share Jen.


Hurt me knowing she coom by cucking us easier than by normal sex(control kink)
made me rationalize that the Canon Jen path is sub cuck. Woe is me.

 

[Joshy92]

Why I'm not surprised you did share Jen.

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I loved that whole scene it was awesome.

Plus, I thought it was romantic
I could tell Jen & the mc love each other very much

 

[Bombmaster]

I loved that whole scene it was awesome.

Plus, I thought it was romantic
I could tell Jen & the mc love each other very much

My boy you are a bigger man and without equal.

I can't really feel this joy having the LI takin pipe from another dude. Sure is hot the neuron is activated but afterwards she is going to be kicked out the house /bed. No cuddles for her.

 

[Joshy92]

My boy you are a bigger man and without equal.

I can't really feel this joy having the LI takin pipe from another dude. Sure is hot the neuron is activated but afterwards she is going to be kicked out the house /bed. No cuddles for her.

I'm the opposite
Jen would definitely get lots of cuddles & kisses from me as soon as she is finished having fun

I would also like to hold her hand and tell her she is beautiful

 

[Jack Townsend]

I'm the opposite
Jen would definitely get lots of cuddles & kisses from me as soon as she is finished having fun

I would also like to hold her hand and tell her she is beautiful

Spoken like a true cuck.

 

[Bombmaster]

Spoken like a true cuck.

 

[DarknessDai]

Spoken like a true cuck.

ay be nice to Joshy man.

 

[Gicoo]

Quickly played through the game twice, trying to fuck everyone on manly respective sensitive routes. May miss some options but I assume I got most of them, if not all.



- I don't understand what Free Use exactly means. I assume it will crown the Lea path, since its a step above Exhibitionism and Sex in Public.

- Roleplayer and Kinkster may be utilized for Lea as well, expanding on the amateur porn and writit posts.

- Bondage and Discipline are likely to mess further with Jen, not unlike the nipple pincing. But it may also be used if you are Manly with Deb.

- Aftercare and Loyal suggest to be a bit more romantic with your various partners, they are pretty vague, just like the first step, Trustworthy.

- Romance and Idolization will obviously follow once we get truly romantic with the girls, maybe limited by girls the MC fell in love with. Idolization could fit Emma, considering how a sensitive MC in love with her already fawned over her.

- Submissive has yet to be implemented, technically it isn't different from Bottom, which is the most used skill (next to Cheating and Humiliation).

- Assplay could very likely be the next step when we submit to Deb. Stimulation, Pegging, forcing to get stimulated only by the anus and not the penis, perfect for what Deb has in mind.

- Cuck has been chosen, but not yet implemented. I assume Kim invites a Bull who fucks her in front of MC or something like that.

- Degradation doesn't seem to be too different from Humilation, Emma and Kim are looking forward to it and we may use it on Jen.

- Sadomaso is likely for Jen, since we can torture and abuse her body further and further on a manly path.

- Not sure what Depravity is supposed to do. Convincing your girl to take part in an orgy?

- Own Her is likely the endgame if we are Manly with Emma. Dominant could also be used on her aside from Jen.

- Forced to Cum is likely for the further development of the training of our slave Jen.

- Cuckquean could be used if we are further Manly with Deb, I hope we get a submissive girl like Jen or Lea. Then Kim, Deb or Writit Misstress cuckquean them.

 

[osanaiko]

Gicoo That's a very impressive analysis. I'm sure MrSilverLust will be interested to see it.

I'm guessing the numbers next to each character's entries indicates that char's H-scenes in order from the beginning?

 

[Gicoo]

Gicoo That's a very impressive analysis. I'm sure MrSilverLust will be interested to see it.

I'm guessing the numbers next to each character's entries indicates that char's H-scenes in order from the beginning?

I assume he has roughly planned ahead and knows which character gets which kink in which chapter.
The number refers to the chapter in which the kink can be activated.

 

[dlombu]

Looking at the traits table again I would suggest "Own Her" be renamed to "Total Power Exchange" as that's the common kink scene term for that. "Own Her" reads awkwardly as a trait. Alternatives could be "Consensual Slavery", "Property of", or "Ownership".

 

[DeFuZe]

I just checked Steam recently and I noticed that this game should release tomorrow in Early Access, for anyone who is interested.

 

[osanaiko]

I just checked Steam recently and I noticed that this game should release tomorrow in Early Access, for anyone who is interested.

Yes, and please, everyone who reads this, 100% of you please add the game to your Steam Wishlist to give it a day 1 boost in the steam client automated rankings. Every wishlist helps!

 

[Bombmaster]

Quickly played through the game twice, trying to fuck everyone on manly respective sensitive routes. May miss some options but I assume I got most of them, if not all.
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- I don't understand what Free Use exactly means. I assume it will crown the Lea path, since its a step above Exhibitionism and Sex in Public.

- Roleplayer and Kinkster may be utilized for Lea as well, expanding on the amateur porn and writit posts.

- Bondage and Discipline are likely to mess further with Jen, not unlike the nipple pincing. But it may also be used if you are Manly with Deb.

- Aftercare and Loyal suggest to be a bit more romantic with your various partners, they are pretty vague, just like the first step, Trustworthy.

- Romance and Idolization will obviously follow once we get truly romantic with the girls, maybe limited by girls the MC fell in love with. Idolization could fit Emma, considering how a sensitive MC in love with her already fawned over her.

- Submissive has yet to be implemented, technically it isn't different from Bottom, which is the most used skill (next to Cheating and Humiliation).

- Assplay could very likely be the next step when we submit to Deb. Stimulation, Pegging, forcing to get stimulated only by the anus and not the penis, perfect for what Deb has in mind.

- Cuck has been chosen, but not yet implemented. I assume Kim invites a Bull who fucks her in front of MC or something like that.

- Degradation doesn't seem to be too different from Humilation, Emma and Kim are looking forward to it and we may use it on Jen.

- Sadomaso is likely for Jen, since we can torture and abuse her body further and further on a manly path.

- Not sure what Depravity is supposed to do. Convincing your girl to take part in an orgy?

- Own Her is likely the endgame if we are Manly with Emma. Dominant could also be used on her aside from Jen.

- Forced to Cum is likely for the further development of the training of our slave Jen.

- Cuckquean could be used if we are further Manly with Deb, I hope we get a submissive girl like Jen or Lea. Then Kim, Deb or Writit Misstress cuckquean them.

The cuck: needs first to be in a relationship.

Kim you're cucking your friend and only after a choice to date the cunt Mc could be cucked. As it stands Jen already cucked Mc, With his blessing.

Jen and Deb should be able to cuck as it stands. I don't expect Emma or Lea to be compatible.

Emma is the love and hate dictomy.
Worship and submit to only her or take control and fight her Into submission, she would like rape play tho.

And Lea is about trust. I don't think having a third person involved would mesh with her arc.

Just my tidbit.

 

[Gicoo]

The cuck: needs first to be in a relationship.

Kim you're cucking your friend and only after a choice to date the cunt Mc could be cucked. As it stands Jen already cucked Mc, With his blessing.

Jen and Deb should be able to cuck as it stands. I don't expect Emma or Lea to be compatible.

Emma is the love and hate dictomy.
Worship and submit to only her or take control and fight her Into submission, she would like rape play tho.

And Lea is about trust. I don't think having a third person involved would mesh with her arc.

Just my tidbit.

Not the first time I heard this definition of cuckung, but in this game Cucking /= Cheating. Dominant Kim suggests fucking other man with the MC aware of it. If he unlocks the Cuck kink, then he agrees with that and he will enjoy it (like Carl). If Kim became his official girlfriend and fucks other man without his knowlegde or consent, she would merely cheat.

Jen getting fucked by Carl counted as Sharing by the games logic, though it hardly differs from cucking. I guess cucking would entail to be more mean-spirited, like denying the cuck sex? Carl was fairly nice with MC and Jen and back in chapter 3, a Bull MC was also friendly towards Deb and Carl.


Lea already can be shared by showing her in writit. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to invite guys to fuck her but the extent of it is too speculative and remains to be seen.

 

[Mister_M]

Quickly played through the game twice, trying to fuck everyone on manly respective sensitive routes. May miss some options but I assume I got most of them, if not all.
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- I don't understand what Free Use exactly means. I assume it will crown the Lea path, since its a step above Exhibitionism and Sex in Public.

- Roleplayer and Kinkster may be utilized for Lea as well, expanding on the amateur porn and writit posts.

- Bondage and Discipline are likely to mess further with Jen, not unlike the nipple pincing. But it may also be used if you are Manly with Deb.

- Aftercare and Loyal suggest to be a bit more romantic with your various partners, they are pretty vague, just like the first step, Trustworthy.

- Romance and Idolization will obviously follow once we get truly romantic with the girls, maybe limited by girls the MC fell in love with. Idolization could fit Emma, considering how a sensitive MC in love with her already fawned over her.

- Submissive has yet to be implemented, technically it isn't different from Bottom, which is the most used skill (next to Cheating and Humiliation).

- Assplay could very likely be the next step when we submit to Deb. Stimulation, Pegging, forcing to get stimulated only by the anus and not the penis, perfect for what Deb has in mind.

- Cuck has been chosen, but not yet implemented. I assume Kim invites a Bull who fucks her in front of MC or something like that.

- Degradation doesn't seem to be too different from Humilation, Emma and Kim are looking forward to it and we may use it on Jen.

- Sadomaso is likely for Jen, since we can torture and abuse her body further and further on a manly path.

- Not sure what Depravity is supposed to do. Convincing your girl to take part in an orgy?

- Own Her is likely the endgame if we are Manly with Emma. Dominant could also be used on her aside from Jen.

- Forced to Cum is likely for the further development of the training of our slave Jen.

- Cuckquean could be used if we are further Manly with Deb, I hope we get a submissive girl like Jen or Lea. Then Kim, Deb or Writit Misstress cuckquean them.

I'd assume that skills like Forced to Cum can be used also for sub MC, as this kink exist for sub males too. Sadomaso could also be applied for a sub MC. Degradation seems like more harsh, severe form of humiliation. Free Use could be making a girl or a girl making MC freely available to be sexually (ab)used by anyone and/or anytime they wish. I don't really see "anyone" part in a game like NiF tbh, and it would have to be consensual, but in some kind of D/s dynamic it may very well work.

Aftercare seems like smth that could be related to giving it after more violent BDSM sessions, or maybe even receiving it from - my guess would be - Deb. BTW I could also see skills like Idolization applied to Deb, seeing her comments about her relationship with Carl and worship scenes.

Depravity could be for more, let's say, disgusting kinks? Maybe urination or smth? I don't see NiF getting too much fringe fetishes, like snot fetish, scat, etc., but some may appear.