NTR fans why do you like NTR?!? (I like NTR)

[EdenGenesis]

At the moment I'm playing 戦甲機ソルガンテ and I've finished one of the 3 endings and it seems that none of the endings are positive for the Hero except maybe the one with Naji because he's not evil (although he steals your wife, he loves you and helps you in the game while the other guys are evil and the cause of your problem).

When I wrote that I didn't like NTRs, that's not entirely true but I hate it when women fall in love with these ugly old men when they have husbands they love, otherwise they wouldn't have married them.

In 戦甲機ソルガンテ, Eleonor is really an easy woman, as she is easily corruptible from what I've seen and translated.

I wish there had been a positive ending for the hero. If he could at least break up with his wife and not save the world because it doesn't make sense, that would be great.

There's a game called "OneNightワイフ♪ 製品版" which, as I wrote, offers you to either forgive or punish your wife ('who still loves you).

It's very rare in games that the husband realises he's a cuckold and the wife is ashamed of what she's done and asks for forgiveness because she doesn't want to lose him.

Generally, by the time the husband realises, she has already been corrupted and doesn't care enough about him to want to leave him.

I can see how this sort of mushy scenario might appeal to some people who are frustrated with life, but personally I find it hard to enjoy having my mind raped by this sort of thing, but I might let myself be corrupted in time.

In fact, strangely enough, it hurts me more to see it happen in anime or video games than in real life... maybe because the girls in anime are so beautiful and attractive, not to mention behaving in a way that appeals to men like us. And that makes us want to protect them.

Well, I love my wife in real life and she's more important to me than anything else, but if I was alone, or if she left me, maybe I'd start playing NTR games just so I could witness tragedies like mine.

When you read people's opinions, you soon realise that what they like about these games differs from person to person.

 

[greenlittleman]

I can see how this sort of mushy scenario might appeal to some people who are frustrated with life, but personally I find it hard to enjoy having my mind raped by this sort of thing, but I might let myself be corrupted in time.

In fact, strangely enough, it hurts me more to see it happen in anime or video games than in real life... maybe because the girls in anime are so beautiful and attractive, not to mention behaving in a way that appeals to men like us. And that makes us want to protect them.

Well, I love my wife in real life and she's more important to me than anything else, but if I was alone, or if she left me, maybe I'd start playing NTR games just so I could witness tragedies like mine.

When you read people's opinions, you soon realise that what they like about these games differs from person to person.

That's the other way around more often than not, lol. I.e. people frustrated with their life try to escape into fictional worlds that are perfect and where everything is amazing, so they are more into vanilla stuff and HATE NTR. Those enjoying darker works like ntr or tragedies usually have a rather easy and enjoyable life that lacks negative emotions, which is really the case for me. My life is rather easy, so I play RPGs on the highest difficulty and get strange satisfaction from experiencing a much harsher life through fiction. Then I can enjoy my real life more in comparison.

 

[jaden000]

That's the other way around more often than not, lol. I.e. people frustrated with their life try to escape into fictional worlds that are perfect and where everything is amazing, so they are more into vanilla stuff and HATE NTR. Those enjoying darker works like ntr or tragedies usually have a rather easy and enjoyable life that lacks negative emotions, which is really the case for me. My life is rather easy, so I play RPGs on the highest difficulty and get strange satisfaction from experiencing a much harsher life through fiction. Then I can enjoy my real life more in comparison.

Spot on rather have a sense of reality than indulge in fantasy land delusions where everything is fluffy and nothing ever goes wrong

 

[jaden000]

At the moment I'm playing 戦甲機ソルガンテ and I've finished one of the 3 endings and it seems that none of the endings are positive for the Hero except maybe the one with Naji because he's not evil (although he steals your wife, he loves you and helps you in the game while the other guys are evil and the cause of your problem).

When I wrote that I didn't like NTRs, that's not entirely true but I hate it when women fall in love with these ugly old men when they have husbands they love, otherwise they wouldn't have married them.

In 戦甲機ソルガンテ, Eleonor is really an easy woman, as she is easily corruptible from what I've seen and translated.

I wish there had been a positive ending for the hero. If he could at least break up with his wife and not save the world because it doesn't make sense, that would be great.

There's a game called "OneNightワイフ♪ 製品版" which, as I wrote, offers you to either forgive or punish your wife ('who still loves you).

It's very rare in games that the husband realises he's a cuckold and the wife is ashamed of what she's done and asks for forgiveness because she doesn't want to lose him.

Generally, by the time the husband realises, she has already been corrupted and doesn't care enough about him to want to leave him.

I can see how this sort of mushy scenario might appeal to some people who are frustrated with life, but personally I find it hard to enjoy having my mind raped by this sort of thing, but I might let myself be corrupted in time.

In fact, strangely enough, it hurts me more to see it happen in anime or video games than in real life... maybe because the girls in anime are so beautiful and attractive, not to mention behaving in a way that appeals to men like us. And that makes us want to protect them.

Well, I love my wife in real life and she's more important to me than anything else, but if I was alone, or if she left me, maybe I'd start playing NTR games just so I could witness tragedies like mine.

When you read people's opinions, you soon realise that what they like about these games differs from person to person.

You have mentally unstable wrapped viewpoint of fictional porn works

 

[EdenGenesis]

You have mentally unstable wrapped viewpoint of fictional porn works

It's easy to criticise without knowing people.

Reading your message you'd think I was ill.

Your message lacks arguments and can be dismissed very easily for this very reason.

I lived for a long time in Japan, the country where NTR was born, and I'm convinced that most of the Japanese people I came into contact with didn't like NTR or pornographic works.

Only a minority of people worldwide like this type of game. But if you look at the figures, it's clear that this still represents a significant proportion of the population, because in Japan alone, where there's an overpopulation, the % of people who like this genre would represent the equivalent of a large European city seen through a magnifying glass.

I think that each of us has his or her own fetish and it would be wrong to say that someone is mentally unstable or whatever just because they don't share the same tastes as you.

It's true that I'd rather have sex offenders preying on fictional women than raping women in real life.

 

[EdenGenesis]

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I'm sure this NTR game will appeal to some of you.

In this game, you have to pay attention to the time that's happening in real time (time will pass without you doing anything),
You have to get your GF "excited" by clicking on the screen and the commands.

Commands include talking to her, getting her drunk, using objects and so on.
There are also important objects to discover on the screen, which you need to use at the right moment to influence her.
If you do nothing and get knocked out, she'll either fall asleep or leave, and the game will be over in no time!

You've got to get her in the mood and get her to have several sexual encounters with your buddy before daybreak to corrupt her.

 

[VNLXV]

Well if you re-read my post you will notice that I'm talking about the act of self-insertion, not any specific fetish...

Anyone self-inserting sounds like a loser by default, regardless if they are self inserting into an ntr game or not.

post physique or stfu

 

[Knucklenaut]

Been married for 7 years and for 4 of those years we have been active members of the swinging community. I get that it isn't for everyone but we've never been happier. I personally love netorase/swinging content, not so much the other stuff but not judging. I love that f95 is updating to differentiate the tags of NTR because they change the tone of a game WILDLY.

 

[Luvcock]

To put it shortly, my mom cucks me with black guys. Its only been 5 black guys since my dad's divorce no other race. Since I cannot fix the real issue I find solace in these games to relieve the pent up issue. The things I have heard growing up has distilled things into my brain I wish would stop fueling me but I cannot stop it for some reason. Plus the image of her "I feel bad for him" face when she saw my penis at 15 has burned my heart. Just.....a lot of reasons tbh.

 

[Deleted member 4771842]

Is harem counts as NTR?

 

[Trickstar]

Is harem counts as NTR?

The girls are forced to share a guy so yes from their perspective.

 

[Deleted member 4771842]

The girls are forced to share a guy so yes from their perspective.

Then it is obvious why NTR is good in some cases, because you can enjoy more than one personality. Hmm...
Though I'd value a single but diverse personality more.

 

[badlulu]

I don't genuinely care if someone else likes or doesn't like a particular genre. The only thing that I'm actually bothered by are the people who rage about any sexual contact between any character other than the MC being cuckshit or whatever. You don't like something, fine - move on with your life. Not everything is for you.

It feels like there's a subset of people who don't just self-insert, it's that they're completely incapable of NOT self-inserting, and anything that ever happens to their vidya puppet is actually happening to them personally at some deep psychological level. I get the folks who like immersion and want to inhabit a character at a deeper level, but if you treat it as some deep personal affront that something happened in a game (or a story, or whatever) that you didn't personally enjoy - sorry, you just have problems and you should probably work on those. Or you're twelve, and you should get off the pr0ngame site, kiddo.

I like NTR because in order to do it well, you have to have fairly decent writing - the story and character motivations can't be purely throwaway. It's written to generate an emotional response in some way, and I enjoy content where someone is having a bad time - it's like a sexual schadenfreude or something.

 

[Logan1377]

I'll copy what I put in a similar thread the other day. NTR means a lot of different things to different people, and it just depends on the details.

I'm not in any way interested in anything where the MC is humiliated, shamed, degraded, or otherwise made someone else's bitch. Especially and particularly situations where the MC isn't having any sex while everyone else is. Especially especially anything where his junk is put into a device. Whoever that appeals to, its not me. But if there are people who like it, then let them have it. But Hell no for me.

However, I'm highly turned on by games where the MC and his sex partner are involved in an open relationship, and both of them have sex with other people while the other knows about it. And if done well, games where the woman cheats on the man without the intention being to hurt him can be hot and sexy as well, so long as the guy eventually gets in on the action as well. If she's a cruel bitch, I want no part of it, but if she's just a super horny slut, then it sometimes works.


And then anything where the MC is not in an exclusive relationship with the woman and they're just hooking up, its far, far hotter to me if she's also interested in fucking other guys, but then chooses the MC because he's a stud. Its a big turnoff for me to have the MC just get girls because he's the only option. I want him to be a top choice of many. I especially like games or situations where the MC can fuck a girl who's in a relationship with another man, whether that's with his knowledge or behind his back. Setup and situation determine how sexy it is.

I also love group sex scenes where the MC is one of many dudes fucking many women at the same time. Or if he and his friends are double teaming a girl, etc. If he walks in and his friend is fucking his hot girlfriend, then awesome! Where's the downside? If the MC is confident and knows he's as sexy and worthwhile as anyone else, while should he be jealous or shamed by that in any way?

 

[EdenGenesis]

Initially, I wasn't a fan of NTRs, particularly those involving blackmail and the downward spiral of a girl who, out of shame, abandons her boyfriend and succumbs to decadence, eventually becoming pregnant and entangled with the yakuza, all because she wanted to help a friend in debt to them, only to end up as their pawn.

On a different note, I've developed a liking for NTRs crafted by the Japanese circle Anim. They've produced various NTR scenarios (Netorare, Netori, Netorase), where the protagonist allows his wife to engage with other men. Depending on the choices made, her character can evolve, offering a diverse range of outcomes.
In some instances, the narrative involves a girlfriend with a penchant for extramarital affairs, driven by her strong sexual desires, even though she loves the main character. There's a humorous touch to it, especially when a well-endowed friend is involved.

Certain visual novels delve into blackmail themes, and depending on the player's choices, the story can take a dark turn.
What captivates me about Anim's NTR games is the ability to experience the storyline from various perspectives, such as that of the main character and his wife who cuckolds him. Sometimes, other characters provide insights into their motivations.

For example, in one game, a character the main character trusts witnesses the wife's blackmail situation and takes advantage of it. However, when questioned about how the main character would react to cuckoldry, the response of considering harm to the other guy prompts a realization that genuine love exists, dissuading the false friend from further involvement.

In the same game, neglecting to intervene results in the character having a child with the wife, and if left undiscovered, the daughter becomes entangled in a scheme initiated by the caretaker, leading to potential blackmail and dire consequences.

While more choices and possibilities would be welcome to prevent certain situations, the appeal of these games lies in exploring the dynamics between spouses when infidelity is discovered.

The most intriguing scenarios involve the wife realizing she was misled into an affair with her father-in-law, a situation she becomes fixated on. Notably, these games often depict the men involved with the wives as having attributes that add to the protagonist's frustration, such as a larger anatomy.

I also enjoy games where the main character initiates NTR with other women, as seen in titles like NTR Dojo, or another NTR game where a succubus coerces the protagonist into NTRing his tenant's wife under the threat of death.

It's crucial not to take these games too seriously, as I have no desire to experience such situations in real life. However, within the context of video games, it allows for a bit of adventurous exploration.

 

[4-kun]

Glad to see an upcoming professional. Welcome to the ranks!

There's one aspect you're failing to see about this, and it's right here in the comments.

Why do people play NTR games? It's almost always an underlying mechanic that NTR does better than the others. If this had been a poll post, corruption would (from the internal tally I took reading the comments) come out on top. NTR happens to do believable corruption better than anything else as a general rule. Now this is not to say that corruption is the ONLY thing people play NTR for, I'm just focusing on what seems to be the biggest factor (and my factor personally for gravitating to the genre).

You can see this in the regular game industry as well. I highly recommend you sub to as many game sub reddits and forums as possible, because reading how and why they're playing the game from them instead of a professor/instructor is a huge insight. An example is Escape From Tarkov. The vast majority of players in Escape From Tarkov don't like Escape From Tarkov; it's just the only game that does what it does the way that it does.

Currently NTR games do believable corruption the best. Hands down. If you were to compare how most harem games do corruption, it's usually all of 3 lines of dialogue or a rape scene. If you were to look at incest and how it does corruption, it's usually either a big grind of an arbitrary stat coupled with 3 lines of dialogue or a rape scene. Are there exceptions? Absolutely, but we're talking about generalization here: lowest common denominator. With NTR games you can get anything from a slow burn, to choosing what the MC will do themselves, or even (and this is my favorite to see because it's the hardest mechanically to perform) character agency where the characters have a will of their own with their own tastes and wants.

This can also be chalked up to story telling. It's easier to emphasize the corruption using NTR than it is if it were just a corruption arc. Good stories need some sort of "awakening" or a moment where the MC goes off on their journey (so to speak). NTR has that laid into its very roots. It has conflict, drama, drive, and all of the things needed to make a good story (but that doesn't mean it will be a good story- that's up to the crafter of it). Regular corruption arcs don't have them as defined from the very start, so it's harder to write; especially if you want it to be believable.

I agree that NTR is about believable corruption, but sadly in most NTR-games it isn't the case. Devs basicly just do the opposite to non-NTR-games. Insteed of the mc having a huge magic dick, god-tier sex skills out of nowhere or beeing the cool/bad guy, it's the antagonist.

Thats disappointing, because cheating is actually pretty common irl. (harem, incest, you name it, not that much ^^)
So, I don't get, why most devs put so little effort to even try to make somewhat realistic storytelling and corruption progression. It's not that hard to do some basic research, why people cheat or just use common logic, brainstorming, whatever. What's even more dissapointing, if the actual writing is good, but the story is just unbelieveble, such a waste of patential.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

I'm not sure of how to express this without sounding like a complete, deranged psycho, but here we go: I like them because I hate happy endings with a passion. Life doesn's work like that. I can't stand how no matter the difficulties, the MCs always, ALWAYS manage to get what they want, just because they are the protagonists, like little canon-MarySues. Readers are supposed to root for them, but most of times I want them to fail and suffer because they are insufferable, mere vehicles for the authors wish-fulfillment.

Take Kvothe, for example. Are you really able to read those books without wishing for the MC to get magical-cancer and sh*t his own entrails? The cringe, oh, the cringe... I despised his guts from minute one, and that sensation only increased with each page, peaking at the sexual encounters with a being that killed people by having endless intercourse, leaving her hooked on his penis, no less. The manchild-basementdweller energy was too much for me...

The same can be said about many games in here. I start playing them hoping they won't degenerate into another woman-collecting basic-hetero powerfantasy and I end up deleting a good 90% of them because of the "ooga-booga alpha male wants his harem, worship my cock" BS. Sure, you can argue that being het games with erotic content are very likely to include the hugely popular (and basic, IMHO) fantasy of being an absolute sex-machine with a countless supply of devoted adorers, far superior to any other man that has ever walked this sorry Earth, but it's the lameness of it, the absolute predictability of the outcome what irritates me. It's unimaginative, repetitive, and devoid of all interest for a gay man that puts up with the hetero erotic content as a necessary evil to play a pirated game mainly because it's free, and just wants to read a decent adult (as in for grown-ups) story with some pictures in it.
And what is worse, when by a miracle those topics don't appear, people demand them! They bitterly complain about not being the only cock in the universe, because they can't stomach fair competition. They know that they can't win. The insecurity is *Chef's kiss*

That's why I LOVE NTR: those types get their comeuppance. Netorare games tell the story of a poor sod that just wanted his harem, or his trophy wife, or the childhood friend he felt entitled to possess because he's a nice-guy (just like I imagine some readers do) too, as God intended for his favorite son... but reality has other plans for them.
It doesn't matter if he's a hero, an office worker, or a jobless father of twins: the woman out of his league he apparently had landed is too much for him, and she ends up admitting she was dating far below her possibilities. She now realizes she sold herself too cheap. The female no longer has to settle for a guy that's simply "enough" or "nice", because there's more to life than eating potato salad for lunch for the rest of her life. She learns to forgive herself for being selfish, putting herself first, and not sacrificing her whole life to a favorless guy. His dreams of being a winner at life in possession of a beautiful property shatter, and with them, his (mistaken) perception of his own virility and worth too.
And when that happens in succession, with all the girls he was interested in dropping like sand from between his fingers one after the other, leaving him alone, is simply orgasmic.
I confess I read the complains of NTR haters with the maximum pleasure, imagining the men behind them angry at the idea of non-existent women's betrayal, their fapping interrupted by the smile of a male character that isn't even relevant to the plot, and that gets me going.
There's something beautiful about witnessing another man silently crying alone. Something sacred, something secret, wicked and utterly hot... <3

 

[Icarus Media]

I'm not sure of how to express this without sounding like a complete, deranged psycho, but here we go: I like them because I hate happy endings with a passion. Life doesn's work like that. I can't stand how no matter the difficulties, the MCs always, ALWAYS manage to get what they want, just because they are the protagonists, like little canon-MarySues. Readers are supposed to root for them, but most of times I want them to fail and suffer because they are insufferable, mere vehicles for the authors wish-fulfillment.

Take Kvothe, for example. Are you really able to read those books without wishing for the MC to get magical-cancer and sh*t his own entrails? The cringe, oh, the cringe... I despised his guts from minute one, and that sensation only increased with each page, peaking at the sexual encounters with a being that killed people by having endless intercourse, leaving her hooked on his penis, no less. The manchild-basementdweller energy was too much for me...

The same can be said about many games in here. I start playing them hoping they won't degenerate into another woman-collecting basic-hetero powerfantasy and I end up deleting a good 90% of them because of the "ooga-booga alpha male wants his harem, worship my cock" BS. Sure, you can argue that being het games with erotic content are very likely to include the hugely popular (and basic, IMHO) fantasy of being an absolute sex-machine with a countless supply of devoted adorers, far superior to any other man that has ever walked this sorry Earth, but it's the lameness of it, the absolute predictability of the outcome what irritates me. It's unimaginative, repetitive, and devoid of all interest for a gay man that puts up with the hetero erotic content as a necessary evil to play a pirated game mainly because it's free, and just wants to read a decent adult (as in for grown-ups) story with some pictures in it.
And what is worse, when by a miracle those topics don't appear, people demand them! They bitterly complain about not being the only cock in the universe, because they can't stomach fair competition. They know that they can't win. The insecurity is *Chef's kiss*

That's why I LOVE NTR: those types get their comeuppance. Netorare games tell the story of a poor sod that just wanted his harem, or his trophy wife, or the childhood friend he felt entitled to possess because he's a nice-guy (just like I imagine some readers do) too, as God intended for his favorite son... but reality has other plans for them.
It doesn't matter if he's a hero, an office worker, or a jobless father of twins: the woman out of his league he apparently had landed is too much for him, and she ends up admitting she was dating far below her possibilities. She now realizes she sold herself too cheap. The female no longer has to settle for a guy that's simply "enough" or "nice", because there's more to life than eating potato salad for lunch for the rest of her life. She learns to forgive herself for being selfish, putting herself first, and not sacrificing her whole life to a favorless guy. His dreams of being a winner at life in possession of a beautiful property shatter, and with them, his (mistaken) perception of his own virility and worth too.
And when that happens in succession, with all the girls he was interested in dropping like sand from between his fingers one after the other, leaving him alone, is simply orgasmic.
I confess I read the complains of NTR haters with the maximum pleasure, imagining the men behind them angry at the idea of non-existent women's betrayal, their fapping interrupted by the smile of a male character that isn't even relevant to the plot, and that gets me going.
There's something beautiful about witnessing another man silently crying alone. Something sacred, something secret, wicked and utterly hot... <3

 

[Mibera]

I'm not sure of how to express this without sounding like a complete, deranged psycho

there was an attempt, it failed spectacular but it was an attempt.

 

[ehendu]

I hate happy endings with a passion. Life doesn's work like that.

I mean, yeah I think sappy happy endings are something many get tired of...

Take Kvothe, for example.

wait a second...is this who I think it is? An example of an MC from a chronically *unfinished* book series that *opens* as the retelling of a tale that ended in tragedy as MC is forced to hide his identity and live out his old age as a mundane innkeep on the far-flung fringes of civilization? What part of this is a happy ending? Certainly MC's hubris is a running theme, but that being one of his flaws is also fairly central if I'm remembering correctly.

sexual encounters with a being that killed people by having endless intercourse, leaving her hooked on his penis, no less.

And speaking of remembering correctly, I'm 90% certain this was:
1. Fey nympho lady taught virgin MC how to pleasure her/women in general.
2. MC survived due to his wit and eloquence--coming from a family of storytellers/bards--along with his own quick thinking. Sure they had lots of sex and sure the immortal nympho enjoyed the sex. But she was very much okay with MC meeting the same end as all her other ensnared mortals: Death by snoo-snoo and wasn't likely to be missing his dick other than the fact that she just, really liked dick in general.

A truly strange example to pivot into from your initial opening. Surely you could've found a better example.

The same can be said about many games in here. I start playing them hoping they won't degenerate into another woman-collecting basic-hetero powerfantasy and I end up deleting a good 90% of them because of the "ooga-booga alpha male wants his harem, worship my cock" BS. Sure, you can argue that being het games with erotic content are very likely to include the hugely popular (and basic, IMHO) fantasy of being an absolute sex-machine with a countless supply of devoted adorers, far superior to any other man that has ever walked this sorry Earth, but it's the lameness of it, the absolute predictability of the outcome what irritates me. It's unimaginative, repetitive, and devoid of all interest for a gay man that puts up with the hetero erotic content as a necessary evil to play a pirated game mainly because it's free, and just wants to read a decent adult (as in for grown-ups) story with some pictures in it.

There's a special kind of irony to including this bit as though this doesn't also perfectly describe 99% of the guy doing the cucking in NTR games. You get the same "near-faceless MC devoid of personality but an absolute sex-machine with a magic dick and all the women love him for it" with the only twist in most NTR "antagonists" being either: ugly bastards, openly shitty personalities, or both compared to the nice-guy protagonist in vanilla harem stuff.

Like, don't get me wrong, I can sorta get where you're coming from, but about every example you're giving makes it sound like you either don't play NTR games or have somehow completely missed the parallels between the NTR chad and typical eroge protag-kun.
If nothing else:

I'm not sure of how to express this

you nailed this part of your post. 10/10 for honesty.