Recommending NTR, netorare, cuckold - resources, discussion, development

[Slappy Kinkaid]

During my time here, I've observed the whole NTR trend with some degree of fascination. I've played a few games &, while that sort of thing doesn't give me any kind of enjoyment, I suppose I could see some of the appeal. It does seem to be a handy tool for immersion, plot & emotionally hooking the player, & for emotional sado massochists I suppose it scratches that itch.

I never really understood the extreme fatalist & defeatist bent to it though. The whole "No matter what, you always lose because you're so weak & pathetic" trend.

Personally I think that it would be WAY more interesting & DEFINITELY more fun if there were more games out there that incorporated NTR as a plot device rather than a replacement for plot.

For example, I played a Japanese game a while back, can't remember the title, but the plot of it was about a married couple. Husband works long hours at work. The wife works at a sandwich shop or something & the owner's grandkid, (some shota type antag), starts molesting & then raping the wife, blackmails her into being his "girlfriend", (though she becomes a willing participant soon enough), then the rest of the game is her living a double life, hooking up with the kid in secret until she ends up getting a secret apartment to share with the kid. In the Husband's playthrough, he discovers the affair, is devastated &.... Just accepts it & pretends like nothing happened. Now sure, for the NTR fans whom get off to that, sure. I'm sure many teary eyed, self flaggelating nuts were busted to that. & true, they are whom the game was made for as it's an NTR fetish game. But beyond that. Big Yawn. Boring.

For a really compelling game, I personally think that shouldn't have been the end of the game, but rather the end of the first act. The game could have been so much more if the story could continue from there. There are a lot of different ways it could be built on. For example, imagine this. The husband, now with little left to lose decides to take all the money he was saving from work &... let's say makes a high risk investment that pays off or some other mechanism that makes him wealthy & no longer needing to work at all, let alone so many hours. He keeps this all secret from his wife & still pretends to go out to work everyday, but instead, spends that time reshaping himself. Getting in shape, making himself more desirable, maybe getting a newer better secret love interest of his own, (or maybe more than 1), & re-builds his new life in secret while his wife continues with her affair. As this all happens, he tells his wife that he got a raise at work, (but not exposing how much wealth he now has), & convinces her to quit her job leaving her completely dependent on him financially. She starts finding herself drawn more back to him creating emotional conflict within herself. Without her knowing he buys, under a DBA, the building of her secret apartment, (making him her new landlord), Then when everything is in place, One night after "coming home from work", he tells his wife he has something for her & serves her with an eviction notice for her secret apartment. While she's in shock he tells her that he's known about the affair for a long time now, Has since become wealthy & has quit his job. The new landlord of her apartment was in fact him & he bought the whole complex specifically to evict her, (though the extra income is nice too). He then serves her with divorce papers & brings in his soon to be new wife, all of this completely flipping the script on his now soon to be ex wife. Now, with nothing left, the husband tells his wife he will let her stay under the condition that she reports her lover to the police for rape & extortion, (after all, that's how the affair started in the first place, plus the budding little sociopath needs to be locked up anyway), however, she will no longer be his wife, & she will from then on be his & his new wife's maid & maybe she can be their side partner, leaving her to live out the rest of her days watching another women replace her & have the life that she lost as consequence of her infidelity.

That's just one potential way the story can expand just off the top of my head. Wouldn't that game be more fun to play? The story that much more engaging? Plus there's something for everyone there. Though I'm sure there would be a few NTR fan's that would complain "No, I want my games to end in me losing everything & miserable". Well, for them, think of such a game as though it was your wife. Now it should be more fun for you. XD

Anyway, just a few thought's I had.

 

[Waxer]

Wow!! This thread is like a gold mine!! Thak you so much for collecting and posting all the goodies.I am looking for specific NTR game situations and if anyone could suggest me some games based on that, then it would be awesome.

1) MC is getting cucked by some one very close to him - like a close friend, business partner whom he trusts the most or his dad/brother. So the hearbreak is 2X when he eventually finds out. One from his loved one and the other from his trusted friend/partner/family member.

2) MC is oblivious to the cheating/affair and the sexual acts are done in close proximity to him and yet he has no idea what is happening to his loved one.

My fav game types are games with real porn, 3DCG, arts, japanese arts ( i put them at last because most jRPGs have battles in it which i hate the most)

For number 1- https://f95zone.to/threads/in-the-house-of-despicable-family-pin-point.995/

For number 2- https://f95zone.to/threads/the-great-thunder-steel-raiouger-v1-03-gaptax.27598/

 

[archedio]

For number 1- https://f95zone.to/threads/in-the-house-of-despicable-family-pin-point.995/

For number 2- https://f95zone.to/threads/the-great-thunder-steel-raiouger-v1-03-gaptax.27598/

For no 1 : It's not a game, it's just a kinetic Visual Novel (VN). It's just like reading a story with pictures with minimum choices.
For no 2 : The game is so simple yet so difficult. Not my cup of tea.

My recomendation : Forward Ho, Summer with Mia

 

[Sundaytroll]

During my time here, I've observed the whole NTR trend with some degree of fascination. I've played a few games &, while that sort of thing doesn't give me any kind of enjoyment, I suppose I could see some of the appeal. It does seem to be a handy tool for immersion, plot & emotionally hooking the player, & for emotional sado massochists I suppose it scratches that itch.

I never really understood the extreme fatalist & defeatist bent to it though. The whole "No matter what, you always lose because you're so weak & pathetic" trend.

Personally I think that it would be WAY more interesting & DEFINITELY more fun if there were more games out there that incorporated NTR as a plot device rather than a replacement for plot.

For example, I played a Japanese game a while back, can't remember the title, but the plot of it was about a married couple. Husband works long hours at work. The wife works at a sandwich shop or something & the owner's grandkid, (some shota type antag), starts molesting & then raping the wife, blackmails her into being his "girlfriend", (though she becomes a willing participant soon enough), then the rest of the game is her living a double life, hooking up with the kid in secret until she ends up getting a secret apartment to share with the kid. In the Husband's playthrough, he discovers the affair, is devastated &.... Just accepts it & pretends like nothing happened. Now sure, for the NTR fans whom get off to that, sure. I'm sure many teary eyed, self flaggelating nuts were busted to that. & true, they are whom the game was made for as it's an NTR fetish game. But beyond that. Big Yawn. Boring.

For a really compelling game, I personally think that shouldn't have been the end of the game, but rather the end of the first act. The game could have been so much more if the story could continue from there. There are a lot of different ways it could be built on. For example, imagine this. The husband, now with little left to lose decides to take all the money he was saving from work &... let's say makes a high risk investment that pays off or some other mechanism that makes him wealthy & no longer needing to work at all, let alone so many hours. He keeps this all secret from his wife & still pretends to go out to work everyday, but instead, spends that time reshaping himself. Getting in shape, making himself more desirable, maybe getting a newer better secret love interest of his own, (or maybe more than 1), & re-builds his new life in secret while his wife continues with her affair. As this all happens, he tells his wife that he got a raise at work, (but not exposing how much wealth he now has), & convinces her to quit her job leaving her completely dependent on him financially. She starts finding herself drawn more back to him creating emotional conflict within herself. Without her knowing he buys, under a DBA, the building of her secret apartment, (making him her new landlord), Then when everything is in place, One night after "coming home from work", he tells his wife he has something for her & serves her with an eviction notice for her secret apartment. While she's in shock he tells her that he's known about the affair for a long time now, Has since become wealthy & has quit his job. The new landlord of her apartment was in fact him & he bought the whole complex specifically to evict her, (though the extra income is nice too). He then serves her with divorce papers & brings in his soon to be new wife, all of this completely flipping the script on his now soon to be ex wife. Now, with nothing left, the husband tells his wife he will let her stay under the condition that she reports her lover to the police for rape & extortion, (after all, that's how the affair started in the first place, plus the budding little sociopath needs to be locked up anyway), however, she will no longer be his wife, & she will from then on be his & his new wife's maid & maybe she can be their side partner, leaving her to live out the rest of her days watching another women replace her & have the life that she lost as consequence of her infidelity.

That's just one potential way the story can expand just off the top of my head. Wouldn't that game be more fun to play? The story that much more engaging? Plus there's something for everyone there. Though I'm sure there would be a few NTR fan's that would complain "No, I want my games to end in me losing everything & miserable". Well, for them, think of such a game as though it was your wife. Now it should be more fun for you. XD

Anyway, just a few thought's I had.

So it seems you really haven't understood the NTR-part.
What you described is a typical "I-am-the-hero-and get-them-all porn game" and that is for sure NOT what most NTR-Fans want to have...
I personally don't like these "your girl will get stolen nomatter what you do" games, and yes most ntr-games could need a lot more story...but when you switch from a guy who suffers from the fact that his "love of life"/soulmate/etc is taken from him to now I gonna take all the ladys, it isn't really believable, because most of the Male Protags you play are sensitive, are not "strong" and mostly somehow naive/dumb...and suddenly you want him to be superman...
I would recommend ntrmaster stories on literotica (reunited especially) to see what most want to have in ntr...pure suffering.
I would like to see more ntr with options to avoid it (not just switch for on/off) or winning her back...
That would be need some good writing, but could be satisfying too, but most dev's seem to believe the only way to get ntred is: no choice she will be gone OR you have to be an asshole to her, and she will be ntred... I miss these "bad guy (which shouldn't be all the time fat ugly/stunning & having a big package) who will seduce her over time.

So far, enjoy life as long as it goes...

 

[CobraPL]

During my time here, I've observed the whole NTR trend with some degree of fascination. I've played a few games &, while that sort of thing doesn't give me any kind of enjoyment, I suppose I could see some of the appeal. It does seem to be a handy tool for immersion, plot & emotionally hooking the player, & for emotional sado massochists I suppose it scratches that itch.

I never really understood the extreme fatalist & defeatist bent to it though. The whole "No matter what, you always lose because you're so weak & pathetic" trend.

Personally I think that it would be WAY more interesting & DEFINITELY more fun if there were more games out there that incorporated NTR as a plot device rather than a replacement for plot.

For example, I played a Japanese game a while back, can't remember the title, but the plot of it was about a married couple. Husband works long hours at work. The wife works at a sandwich shop or something & the owner's grandkid, (some shota type antag), starts molesting & then raping the wife, blackmails her into being his "girlfriend", (though she becomes a willing participant soon enough), then the rest of the game is her living a double life, hooking up with the kid in secret until she ends up getting a secret apartment to share with the kid. In the Husband's playthrough, he discovers the affair, is devastated &.... Just accepts it & pretends like nothing happened. Now sure, for the NTR fans whom get off to that, sure. I'm sure many teary eyed, self flaggelating nuts were busted to that. & true, they are whom the game was made for as it's an NTR fetish game. But beyond that. Big Yawn. Boring.

For a really compelling game, I personally think that shouldn't have been the end of the game, but rather the end of the first act. The game could have been so much more if the story could continue from there. There are a lot of different ways it could be built on. For example, imagine this. The husband, now with little left to lose decides to take all the money he was saving from work &... let's say makes a high risk investment that pays off or some other mechanism that makes him wealthy & no longer needing to work at all, let alone so many hours. He keeps this all secret from his wife & still pretends to go out to work everyday, but instead, spends that time reshaping himself. Getting in shape, making himself more desirable, maybe getting a newer better secret love interest of his own, (or maybe more than 1), & re-builds his new life in secret while his wife continues with her affair. As this all happens, he tells his wife that he got a raise at work, (but not exposing how much wealth he now has), & convinces her to quit her job leaving her completely dependent on him financially. She starts finding herself drawn more back to him creating emotional conflict within herself. Without her knowing he buys, under a DBA, the building of her secret apartment, (making him her new landlord), Then when everything is in place, One night after "coming home from work", he tells his wife he has something for her & serves her with an eviction notice for her secret apartment. While she's in shock he tells her that he's known about the affair for a long time now, Has since become wealthy & has quit his job. The new landlord of her apartment was in fact him & he bought the whole complex specifically to evict her, (though the extra income is nice too). He then serves her with divorce papers & brings in his soon to be new wife, all of this completely flipping the script on his now soon to be ex wife. Now, with nothing left, the husband tells his wife he will let her stay under the condition that she reports her lover to the police for rape & extortion, (after all, that's how the affair started in the first place, plus the budding little sociopath needs to be locked up anyway), however, she will no longer be his wife, & she will from then on be his & his new wife's maid & maybe she can be their side partner, leaving her to live out the rest of her days watching another women replace her & have the life that she lost as consequence of her infidelity.

That's just one potential way the story can expand just off the top of my head. Wouldn't that game be more fun to play? The story that much more engaging? Plus there's something for everyone there. Though I'm sure there would be a few NTR fan's that would complain "No, I want my games to end in me losing everything & miserable". Well, for them, think of such a game as though it was your wife. Now it should be more fun for you. XD

Anyway, just a few thought's I had.

English school of psychology says (what I heard) that when an infant does not receive milk from the mother, he can find two different reasons behind that situation. Paranoid - that his mother (the breast) has milk, but refuses it. Or depressive - that there is no mother or no milk. Second option os more mature.
Most of NTR games are paranoid. The whole world is constructed to make conspiracies, to hurt our hero.
While I try to write a game, where cucking is sth normal, our hero wants sth else. And he may succeed. Well, sort of.
Hero is not a special person, because he is cucked. But because of story.

 

[MrGhostRider]

For number 1- https://f95zone.to/threads/in-the-house-of-despicable-family-pin-point.995/

For number 2- https://f95zone.to/threads/the-great-thunder-steel-raiouger-v1-03-gaptax.27598/

For no 1 : It's not a game, it's just a kinetic Visual Novel (VN). It's just like reading a story with pictures with minimum choices.
For no 2 : The game is so simple yet so difficult. Not my cup of tea.

My recomendation : Forward Ho, Summer with Mia

Thank you for the suggestion, Already played the first one. Really Enjoyed it. (Bit too long if you askme )
And i am gonna try the 2nd one.

 

[Cronoxs]

"No matter what, you always lose because you're so weak & pathetic"

"No, I want my games to end in me losing everything & miserable"

For me is completely different. I love NTR because I really enjoy seeing good and loyal housewives turned into the biggest sluts in the city. I never feel like I'm the MC and I never feel bad for them either. I actually get more excited when they show the husband and wife love story before showing the wife enjoying sex with the bad guy.

Your story of revenge could make a good game and I would play it and enjoy it. But in terms of NTR I prefer when the MC loses the girl forever. Not necessarily because of him being weak and pathetic but because his wife got corrupted so much that the only thing she want is to fuck all the time. Bonus point if she is a mother and she abandons her son too.

Disclaimer: I don't want anyone to suffer through this for real. Is just something I enjoy only in fiction.

 

[Slappy Kinkaid]

So it seems you really haven't understood the NTR-part.
What you described is a typical "I-am-the-hero-and get-them-all porn game" and that is for sure NOT what most NTR-Fans want to have...
I personally don't like these "your girl will get stolen nomatter what you do" games, and yes most ntr-games could need a lot more story...but when you switch from a guy who suffers from the fact that his "love of life"/soulmate/etc is taken from him to now I gonna take all the ladys, it isn't really believable, because most of the Male Protags you play are sensitive, are not "strong" and mostly somehow naive/dumb...and suddenly you want him to be superman...
I would recommend ntrmaster stories on literotica (reunited especially) to see what most want to have in ntr...pure suffering.
I would like to see more ntr with options to avoid it (not just switch for on/off) or winning her back...
That would be need some good writing, but could be satisfying too, but most dev's seem to believe the only way to get ntred is: no choice she will be gone OR you have to be an asshole to her, and she will be ntred... I miss these "bad guy (which shouldn't be all the time fat ugly/stunning & having a big package) who will seduce her over time.

So far, enjoy life as long as it goes...

I think I get it for the most part, granted, I don't enjoy it on any sexual or kink level, but I do understand the use of it for emotional immersion in plot. The example I gave is just 1 condensed hypothetical that I came up with off the top of my head & even that can make for a good story or a good game depending on, like you said, how it's written. There's other ways it could go too. Maybe instead the protag goes on a mutually destructive revenge path that destroys the wife, her lover & himself in the process, or maybe in the "wealth acquisition" stage of the game, if he doesn't play it right, he goes bust & is the one left with nothing, etc... So I'm not as much suggesting replacing the "cuck gets cucked & is sad, the end" cookie cutter garbage with "Protag is uber male & wins at everything, the end" garbage either.

What I'm saying is throw the cookie cutter out completely. get rid of the paint by numbers template & instead weave these themes into a unique creation.

I mean some good examples of the opposite, (though not in the sexual or hentai realm), is the classic book Flowers for Algernon. In that story we see a mentally challenged, but happy man undergo a test for a neurological procedure, alongside a mouse named Algernon. As a result he becomes not only normal, but brilliant both intellectually & socially, & as a result of his meteoric rise from ineptitude to genius, he first finds happiness, love, begins accumulating wealth, but then that descends into alienation, depression, angst, as his neurological development propelled him beyond his peers, rendering them essentially his mentally challenged counterparts by comparison. At this crescendo in the story, (as Algernon's development paralleled protag's), Algernon's neurological function rapidly reverted back to that of a normal mouse & then died. In following, Protag's mental state rapidly reverted back to his original state of developmental deficit, but he also returned to being happy in that mentally challenged state. In this we see the complete opposite of the story arc. Protag starts feeble minded, weak, alone & with nothing, then science, & he gets love, wealth, social status, etc... Finds it brings him misery instead of happiness, then the science ends up being temporary & he reverts back to his original state. Even with the protag not getting everything in the end, It's still a DAMN GOOD story. Still to this day one of my favorites. & that's because it was well written & in a lot of ways threw the cookie cutters out the window & got creative.

Another good example of, well not good writing because sadly it is reality instead of a work of fiction, but very much in the vein of the NTR theme is the tragic story of Jason & Brandi Worley. They were married with kids, then one day Brandi starts cheating on Jason with the Neighbor. Jason confronted them on it & threatened divorce. However, Brandi blackmailed him not to, threatening that he would never see his kids again if he did & saying she would use a suicide attempt on his part from when he was still in high school as leverage in court to make him appear unfit as a parent. A year or so later, he turned to Reddit to seek advice on what to do, (Google u/jasoninhell & u/jasonincode), since she started cheating again. After numerous responders encouraged him to divorce her, since she has no case to keep him from his kids, he finally decided to do so. However after he served her with divorce papers, while he was sleeping, she killed their kids & attempted to kill herself. After her failed suicide attempt she turned herself in & now will spend the rest of her life in prison.

Now, since that example was actual reality, obviously it is gut wrenching & absolutely should never have happened. As a father myself, I can't even imagine what I'd do if that happened to me. Only thing I do know is that if my wife did that, (the killing my kids part obviously), I'd be the one going to prison instead of her because I'd kill her. Not a question in my mind about that.

However, if we remove the reality component of it & look at it as though it were a written work of fiction, that would make for a hell of a compelling story. & it would make for a story that would appeal to NTR fans, (for the NTR content & the protag losing in the end), & the non NTR fans whom just like a good story that kicks you in the feels.

Other great examples are the work of Freebird Games. Ken Gao has created unrivaled masterpieces with To the Moon & Finding Paradise. If you're not already familiar with those 2 games, you are unknowingly depriving yourself of objectively the 2 greatest things to ever be created in RPGM or in the indie game industry period. & that is because they are amazing, immersive & engaging stories that resonate with the observer of them.

Now sure, the games here are not the examples I gave. They are game form porn to give horny guys something to nut to. I get that. I'm just saying that just because these aren't a grand emotional roller coaster epic like Finding Paradise doesn't mean they have to be "cuck gets cucked & is sad" wash, rinse repeat. Some degree of that level of creativity could make these games much much better too.

As for my example not being realistic, Sure I'll grant that. But like I said, it was a condensed concept squeezed down into a couple of paragraphs. That's why HOW it is written is so crucial. If it's fleshed out right, given the space & time for the details to actually take form, it COULD be very realistic & compelling. The framework is in the story boards, the Story is in the writing.

Meanwhile, even if we look at some of the contemporary NTR writing out there, such as that Theresa Simpson thing by Feuege, (or whatever his name is), THAT is an abomination from a literary perspective. It is so beyond irrational & unrealistic that it's borderline unreadable. & with the "cuck is cucked, gives up & is sad" stuff, All I find myself wondering is "where the fuck is your backbone?" I mean sure they are usually weak, but hell. Most people in that situation would either walk away from it all or would self immolate & go down fighting. I know I would. If I were in the protag's shoes, Even if I knew for a fact that fighting back would be futile & I'd lose, at least I'd go down kicking in their teeth as much as I can. But again, that comes from poor writing.

Anyways, that's just my thoughts. I appreciate your input though too.

 

[Slappy Kinkaid]

English school of psychology says (what I heard) that when an infant does not receive milk from the mother, he can find two different reasons behind that situation. Paranoid - that his mother (the breast) has milk, but refuses it. Or depressive - that there is no mother or no milk. Second option os more mature.
Most of NTR games are paranoid. The whole world is constructed to make conspiracies, to hurt our hero.
While I try to write a game, where cucking is sth normal, our hero wants sth else. And he may succeed. Well, sort of.
Hero is not a special person, because he is cucked. But because of story.

I get your point. My whole point though was I guess how lazy & formulaic it is in these games. It's the same plot, same game recycled over & over again & it's poorly written & constructed in my opinion. It's not the use of NTR that bothers me, it's the fact that it's all most of these shoddy games have to offer.

Think of it like this. Say you go to McDonalds to get a burger because you like beef right? Now if McDonald decided to give you a carry out box full of ground beef, You'd be thinking "what the fuck is this? Where's the bun? the cheese? pickles, onions, condiments, etc... Where's my fries & my soda?" & rightly so because you came for a burger, not just one component of it.

In this analogy. The burger is the story, NTR is the beef. Make sense? So if the game is just NTR & doesn't have the rest of what makes a good story good, It's like substituting a burger for a pile of ground beef. & that is my main gripe. I see it with most games here, but it seems most glaring with the NTR genre. It seems that the developers are simply using the fetish as a replacement for writing, making a very half assed story for the carrier of the NTR content & then repeating the same story with a new paint job.

BTW, side note, regarding the psychology bit, whomever told you that theory of psychology is incorrect. Infants do not have that level of reasoning skills. That all comes from the prefrontal cortex which is the last hemisphere of the brain to develop, which doesn't finish developing until the early to mid 20s, (which is also the main reason why children cannot consent to sex & are in fact neurologically harmed by it because they lack the actual neurological ability to properly reason, which is needed for informed consent). Therefore it is the most skeletal & underdeveloped hemisphere of the infant's brain. At that age, they are still developing their cerebellum so the most that they think is a rudimentary "I want milk, whaaa". Though I say rudimentary because since the broca & weirnickes areas are not yet developed, they have no concept of language. Their limbic system just makes them feel hungry so they cry out & respond to milk being provided. Kind of a nit pick, I know, but I had to address it.

 

[Slappy Kinkaid]

For me is completely different. I love NTR because I really enjoy seeing good and loyal housewives turned into the biggest sluts in the city. I never feel like I'm the MC and I never feel bad for them either. I actually get more excited when they show the husband and wife love story before showing the wife enjoying sex with the bad guy.

Your story of revenge could make a good game and I would play it and enjoy it. But in terms of NTR I prefer when the MC loses the girl forever. Not necessarily because of him being weak and pathetic but because his wife got corrupted so much that the only thing she want is to fuck all the time. Bonus point if she is a mother and she abandons her son too.

Disclaimer: I don't want anyone to suffer through this for real. Is just something I enjoy only in fiction.

Well if that's your thing then having the games you like violated should be right up your alley right? huh? huh? lol. Ok, bad joke. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyway, I get that & That's fair. I guess my point is, the stories & characters typically just suck. The characters are 2 dimensional & vapid, the stories are poorly written, not really engaging & don't really pull you in, It's just a shoddy rehashed carrier for fap material. & I mean if that's what you want, more power to you. I just personally am bored & annoyed with the half assed mediocrity.

 

[archedio]

Check out my latest translation thread (completed):
To Be At Your Side: Beloved Wife Inseminated

Genre : NTR

 

[Sundaytroll]

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Now sure, the games here are not the examples I gave. They are game form porn to give horny guys something to nut to. I get that. I'm just saying that just because these aren't a grand emotional roller coaster epic like Finding Paradise doesn't mean they have to be "cuck gets cucked & is sad" wash, rinse repeat. Some degree of that level of creativity could make these games much much better too.

As for my example not being realistic, Sure I'll grant that. But like I said, it was a condensed concept squeezed down into a couple of paragraphs. That's why HOW it is written is so crucial. If it's fleshed out right, given the space & time for the details to actually take form, it COULD be very realistic & compelling. The framework is in the story boards, the Story is in the writing.
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In this analogy. The burger is the story, NTR is the beef. Make sense? So if the game is just NTR & doesn't have the rest of what makes a good story good, It's like substituting a burger for a pile of ground beef. & that is my main gripe. I see it with most games here, but it seems most glaring with the NTR genre. It seems that the developers are simply using the fetish as a replacement for writing, making a very half assed story for the carrier of the NTR content & then repeating the same story with a new paint job.
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Anyway, I get that & That's fair. I guess my point is, the stories & characters typically just suck. The characters are 2 dimensional & vapid, the stories are poorly written, not really engaging & don't really pull you in, It's just a shoddy rehashed carrier for fap material. & I mean if that's what you want, more power to you. I just personally am bored & annoyed with the half assed mediocrity.

Okay, first to say: I clearly see you do understand it. But most ntr-fans seem to say real ntr is just suffering (and this means mostly with a real bad story...)
I understand your point, and yes I want some good story too. But writing these need time and a lot creativity (if you want to have choices you need to have many paths to go) and I think most porn-game-devs won't give in so much...
Fact is: these games are sold in low numbers (IF they are sold...) and making money is the biggest reason...some will make game for other reasons but that is a minority. And when you look at selling, we are fast at the point of: WHO will buy this...
Most of the gamers wouldn't like to see "fetish-games" so bringing ntr on the table means: lower sales, lower sales mean lower effort, means...you get it: mostly a shitty story, or some shitty ntr...
So most of the devs do standard games which will get hyped, and (maybe) bought...

A real good NTR-game, if you ask me, would bring you to 3 stages:
1. the pairing - where you get the backstory of the characters...this means: why are they together, why do they love each other, what are they for personalities.
2. the conflict - at this point the lovers are somehow connected (love - marriage - something like that) and someone who is interested in your partner (oh and for most of you: reversed roles is in my opinion also ntr) approaches her, and the other one isn't realising what exactly the new character tries...
3. the showdown - at this point decisions would lead to the endings...could the love be saved, is it complicated, is the other gone?
I would prefer the male vision (because I am male) and some "mystery", means: you see your rival talking with her, but don't think bad about it. You let them go to a "date" and think she is in love with you shw won't do anything with him...
And I wish we would cut these "big dick = love" or "rape her = love" out...seducing would be more hard for you, because the partner isn't just fucked and want to leave...she is beginning to form a relationship and then will leave you...

But hey as I already said: devs most want to earn some money, so no excellent stories for those who want to see some deep ntr.

 

[Cronoxs]

I would prefer the male vision (because I am male) and some "mystery", means: you see your rival talking with her, but don't think bad about it. You let them go to a "date" and think she is in love with you she won't do anything with him...
And I wish we would cut these "big dick = love" or "rape her = love" out...seducing would be more hard for you, because the partner isn't just fucked and want to leave...she is beginning to form a relationship and then will leave you...

That sounds interesting. Do you know of any game like this?

 

[Sundaytroll]

I wish I would...just some stories where this (or some of this) is happening...
Like I said...this would mean a lot of writing and story-telling...and for a porn game this hardly will happen...

 

[Darrel Caper]

Anyone know of a translation for this game by Pin-Point?

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[Kwakku]

I wish I would...just some stories where this (or some of this) is happening...
Like I said...this would mean a lot of writing and story-telling...and for a porn game this hardly will happen...

This is what you're looking for:

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As you said, it's unlikely that we'll get anything similar in english. Not only it's too much effort to write up (and read), but I believe we, as westerners, lack the necessary sensibility to create NTR that hits hard and leaves you wide awake staring at the ceiling at night for a few days.

 

[Sundaytroll]

Already played this one...that's one reason i said "hardly" because some dev are just giving us some of these masterpieces...
But to fully enjoy this, a translation would be needed...or possibility of speaking/reading japanese...
For the lacking sensibility, no, I have just read the stories of xleglover on literotica (

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) and I started with "he fucked my girl" and then got to "all in my head"...it's not full netorare...more like netorase but the suffering he goes through and the way the girl goes with the "bull" is somehow interesting. I mean it's a fucking long story...(at all it has around 70 chapters I think) and it's a lot of repeating, and sometimes really dumb decisions, but I like these emotional rollercoasters. And thinking about it, this could be used as material for a game, and i would play it like there is no tomorrow because this is a story with some good buildup.
Okay little correction...the first pairing is fast, and just the typical "big dick = love" nonsense...but the later parts are the ones, which get me...

So far, we can say we need more good stories with ntr, not more ntr for itself...

 

[ZoneTestOut]

That is kinda true for all sort of porn though, no?

That good-ish stories make or break h-games.

 

[Maragas]

Say, what is "ERA games"?

 

[CobraPL]

Say, what is "ERA games"?

One of best NTR games ever. Just I am not able to consor it, so I never gave any link.