VN Ren'Py NTR'ed by My Friend [v0.4.2] [NTR.ai]

[NTR.ai]

This is my first comment, so hopefully I don't break some unwritten/unread protocol.

NTR.ai, I was sucked in at the first animation. Even the stills are hot. The basic story arc is great. I agree with giving Blake a bit more legitimacy/maturity and maybe less morality. He could be dastardly enough to orchestrate scenarios leaving him alone with his friend's girl. Maybe it's not always work pulling him away, but car issue, or what have you. I love that both Blake and GF have the summer off. Perfect opportunity to extend the NTR denial period. Following bathroom incident, she could be ridden with guilt and self promise to avoid Blake going forward. There's so many ways to go. I'll be watching for updates and plan to join your Patreon/Substcribe shortly. Perhaps there's some moments where he's pining for her when the MC is getting "all the loving".

Good luck and keep it coming! Great work!

Thank you for making your first comment to give me the feedback and encouragement! It's truly my honor. But I’m sorry—I might end up letting you down a little.

Originally, I had planned to use the summer break as a chance for Blake to make moves on Cristine while Alan was at work. But at some point, that plan became less realistic to fully implement. I still want to make use of that setup as much as I can, but I can’t promise there will be a long NTR denial period, since this game isn’t meant to be a long one.

 

[Harted]

Thank you for making your first comment to give me the feedback and encouragement! It's truly my honor. But I’m sorry—I might end up letting you down a little.

Originally, I had planned to use the summer break as a chance for Blake to make moves on Cristine while Alan was at work. But at some point, that plan became less realistic to fully implement. I still want to make use of that setup as much as I can, but I can’t promise there will be a long NTR denial period, since this game isn’t meant to be a long one.

Hey, public release for v5 is today bro?

 

[NTR.ai]

Excellent. I've always liked villains to have a positive side. It also helps us sympathize with them or not hate characters who see good in them. It also provides arguments for Cristina to fall for Blake's manipulation.

It would be interesting to give Blake more support because messing with his friend's girlfriend is okay with him. It would be because his father told him that his mother was once the girlfriend of a coworker and that when he met her, he fell in love with her, so he pursued her and the two got married, emphasizing that the only thing that matters in the end is his happiness.

Another thing could be that Blake saw his mother having sex with someone other than his father, so he considers that all women are easy and treacherous, so they are only good for having fun.

Although I said that I would introduce him more, I wouldn’t say that I’m really trying to highlight his positive traits. He’s the type who’s willing to help if it’s not too much trouble, and he can fight for what he believes in. He also knows that what he’s doing is wrong—but he still chooses to do it because he wants to.

I don’t think it’s necessary to give him some detailed backstory to justify why he would steal his friend’s girlfriend. Sometimes people just do things they know are wrong. A common example is slacking off and wasting time—we know we shouldn’t, but we still do it anyway.

 

[NTR.ai]

Hey, public release for v5 is today bro?

Probably 4/27 01:00 (UTC +8)

 

[Jebulus]

I appreciate you pointing out the difference, it’s a fair observation. That said, stuck scenes typically start as accidents, not intentional situations. Sure, they escalate deliberately later, but the setup almost always involves the woman being stuck somewhere, and a man seeing it and taking advantage of the opportunity.

So yes, I agree that one side being actively predatory can be the key difference. But the people arguing against my scene were talking about “realism.” And honestly, although there is a difference between stuck scenes and mine in terms of escalation, the initialization is the same level of unrealistic. Who gets stuck with half their body on one side and the other half on the opposite side of a washing machine, a wall hole, or a garbage can?

And if the beginning is already that unrealistic, I don’t think adding realism to the escalation helps at all. Let’s just take one random example someone else brought up—someone who clearly thought he was being clever. If a woman steps on a banana peel and somehow gets stuck with the banana, and then some man sees that and decides to fuck her, does that make it more acceptable?

Once again, I prefer that agreement or disagreement be based on personal taste—there’s no superiority or inferiority in that. And personal taste has nothing to do with logical reasoning or anything like that. It’s just like how some people enjoy fantasy, while others prefer more “realistic” genres.

i didnt rly wanna do this as u seem to value only syccophants but i can only read this so many times.

theres a few differences between your bathroom and the "classical" im stuck scene, and the biggest one is this: AGENCY

usually mc happens to find someone stuck in a helpless situation, and the MC now has a choice. do i help this stuck person? do i abuse it? if i abuse it, is someone else gonna catch us? etc etc. these choices give the mc power. its still very unrealistic but its the choice that makes this scenario hot.

another difference: being stuck like that somewhere is one huge coincidence. your bathroom scene is one huge coincidence ontop of another coincidence ontop of another one. i even listed it almost step by step a few posts ago as i found the immersionbreak so jarring. it honestly felt almost insulting to expect me as a player to just roll with it.

and then my personal gripe with your its a game, porn is also unrealistic excuse.

thats whataboutism comparing two very different forms of media.

porn mostly focuses on visual presentation of their paid actors and models penetrating each other. the plot is just a flimsy excuse to get them there. but even they found out that having somewhat of a story around it helps with immersion, making their product more effective as jerkoff fantasies.
now compare that to the visual/kinetic novel game form, which is inherently more immersive, with way more focus on how to set up the stage and a whole lot of descriptive words and dialogue to help with that. realism or believability and immersion is the benchmark quality that filters the good from the bad.


so theres that. i didnt agree with your reasoning so i felt compelled to respond, the essence is still constructive but i didnt phrase it in a i guess "nice" way so feel free to ignore it. i agree that its your game and you can do what you want, our interests only align in that i assume you want to make a good game, and i want to play a good game.

 

[NTR.ai]

i didnt rly wanna do this as u seem to value only syccophants but i can only read this so many times.

theres a few differences between your bathroom and the "classical" im stuck scene, and the biggest one is this: AGENCY

usually mc happens to find someone stuck in a helpless situation, and the MC now has a choice. do i help this stuck person? do i abuse it? if i abuse it, is someone else gonna catch us? etc etc. these choices give the mc power. its still very unrealistic but its the choice that makes this scenario hot.

another difference: being stuck like that somewhere is one huge coincidence. your bathroom scene is one huge coincidence ontop of another coincidence ontop of another one. i even listed it almost step by step a few posts ago as i found the immersionbreak so jarring. it honestly felt almost insulting to expect me as a player to just roll with it.

and then my personal gripe with your its a game, porn is also unrealistic excuse.

thats whataboutism comparing two very different forms of media.

porn mostly focuses on visual presentation of their paid actors and models penetrating each other. the plot is just a flimsy excuse to get them there. but even they found out that having somewhat of a story around it helps with immersion, making their product more effective as jerkoff fantasies.
now compare that to the visual/kinetic novel game form, which is inherently more immersive, with way more focus on how to set up the stage and a whole lot of descriptive words and dialogue to help with that. realism or believability and immersion is the benchmark quality that filters the good from the bad.


so theres that. i didnt agree with your reasoning so i felt compelled to respond, the essence is still constructive but i didnt phrase it in a i guess "nice" way so feel free to ignore it. i agree that its your game and you can do what you want, our interests only align in that i assume you want to make a good game, and i want to play a good game.

Funny, so how do you think about the statements from ConspicuousChanneler and NullVector? You think the former one was agreeing with me? And the latter one had a point?

So NullVector can say something like, " everyone else gave you solid reasons ", and you did like the comment, are you blind to other comments about the compliments?

If you think ConspicuousChanneler didn't agree with me completely, then your accusation "the one value only syccophants" is wrong. If you think he was agreeing with me. I don't think I need to have discussion about your other comments.

And I don't know why you have the audacity to say that I am the one value only syccophants when you these people were doing the thing you are questioning like ignoring other comments that are not the same as you. And did you pay for this game? Why do you also have the audacity to say that you want to play a game for free so you require others to make a good game for you?

 

[Jebulus]

youre kinda proving my point there, the issue you take with my post is the phrasing and not the content. you didnt even get past the first sentence.

i stopped following your thread actively a few days ago, i dont remember who wrote what in detail. frankly, i dont need to as its not my game and not my thread and im a whole lot less invested than you are.

i saw a few patterns and decided to comment on them, mainly that your defense of that i think undefendable bathroom scene boils down to two things: porn is unrealistic too and its my game, i can do what i want + its free so you should be thankful.

the post i replied to earlier reminded me of the first pattern again and i took some effort to respond to it.

the second pattern shines through in your last response.

i mean hey, you're right, it is your game and you can do what you want. my opinion is free too, i also can do what i want. feel free to ignore it. i never said i expect others to make a game i like, im just hoping for it. i definitly dont expect you to make that game as im definitly giving up here seeing your reactions to moderate critique. calling it audacity is kinda funny tho
remember where we are

either way, good luck. if your game does improve i might pay for it, who knows

 

[NTR.ai]

youre kinda proving my point there, the issue you take with my post is the phrasing and not the content. you didnt even get past the first sentence.

i stopped following your thread actively a few days ago, i dont remember who wrote what in detail. frankly, i dont need to as its not my game and not my thread and im a whole lot less invested than you are.

To be honest, I said to you that what was the reason for you to work up at first and you kept talkin, and you said, "but i can only read this so many times." And now ??? But I am not surprised, you these people are the kind that doesn't think you should be responsible for what you said and don't think seriously and logically and thoroughly about your comments, the question about I am a bot and the statement about copy past to profit have already proved that.

i saw a few patterns and decided to comment on them, mainly that your defense of that i think undefendable bathroom scene boils down to two things: porn is unrealistic too and its my game, i can do what i want + its free so you should be thankful.

The interpretation is really funny. I never said you should be thankful and I never acted like you should suck all my setup. It's you these people always act like I should be thankful for you to play my game. I should be thankful to embrace your comments and fuck all my way to meet your needs.

i mean hey, you're right, it is your game and you can do what you want. my opinion is free too, i also can do what i want. feel free to ignore it. i never said i expect others to make a game i like, im just hoping for it. i definitly dont expect you to make that game as im definitly giving up here seeing your reactions to moderate critique. calling it audacity is kinda funny tho
remember where we are

either way, good luck. if your game does improve i might pay for it, who knows

Yeah, whatever you say, valuing reality is also funny though remember where we are
And don't bother, hypocrite.


And to be honest, reading and replying to your comments have zero difficulty since your logic is really terrible.

theres a few differences between your bathroom and the "classical" im stuck scene, and the biggest one is this: AGENCY

usually mc happens to find someone stuck in a helpless situation, and the MC now has a choice. do i help this stuck person? do i abuse it? if i abuse it, is someone else gonna catch us? etc etc. these choices give the mc power. its still very unrealistic but its the choice that makes this scenario hot.

another difference: being stuck like that somewhere is one huge coincidence. your bathroom scene is one huge coincidence ontop of another coincidence ontop of another one. i even listed it almost step by step a few posts ago as i found the immersionbreak so jarring. it honestly felt almost insulting to expect me as a player to just roll with it.

I actually was being nice. Stuck scene is stuck at an object. My scene is stuck on a human. Therefore, mine has already had no escalation. Its initialization is combined with escalation. So you are talking about AGENCY??? And you think stuck in a washing machine is easier? Then good for you.

and then my personal gripe with your its a game, porn is also unrealistic excuse.

thats whataboutism comparing two very different forms of media.

porn mostly focuses on visual presentation of their paid actors and models penetrating each other. the plot is just a flimsy excuse to get them there. but even they found out that having somewhat of a story around it helps with immersion, making their product more effective as jerkoff fantasies.
now compare that to the visual/kinetic novel game form, which is inherently more immersive, with way more focus on how to set up the stage and a whole lot of descriptive words and dialogue to help with that. realism or believability and immersion is the benchmark quality that filters the good from the bad.

Who let you define the difference between porn and VN? Who are you? The Dr. Porn? VN stands for "Visual" Novel. Why does it have to focus on Novel like you say instead of "Visual"? And the story in mine has already developed the characters more than porn, or you think fuck after 2-minute is the same as mine? If so, good for you too.

Finally, the most important fact that I reiterate is that the taste, but you only think I was telling unrealistic porn logic and you should've been thankful for free game?! Final good for you.

 

[Johanna_S]

Author. Thank you very much! Game is excellent. Your work ethic as of now is admirable. Some authors on Patreon constantly breaking dates and ghost their patrons. You really are shining in a good light.



Constructive criticism.
Just about text bloating. The game, for some scenes, have too many, let's call them “fillers”. Maybe A.I. text generates it that way?

Abstract example. In tone of this V.N. Not actual quote.
“Her face suddenly got lit by a smile. She nods. Beads of dew on morning grass touched by gentle wind twinkled magically, creating a surreal atmosphere. Low humming of cars in a distance...”
Bold text is mostly “parasitic”. Not always, but mostly it just eats our time. This just drags time, adding too much text on top of really important information.

Erotic V.N. does not need to be written like high poetry. Or huge general novel. Reading hours of unnecessary text at some point, when the game grows, is not cool. Emotions, thoughts and so on — are great! Really.
But this... “Low light is the office went even dimmer.” O.K... For 1 time. But then something like that example repeats itself in office scenes like 10 or more times — not that great.
Now, like 15-25% of sentences can be cut off the game without any damage to emotions, plot, and even overall atmosphere and satisfaction.


Also, just as human to a good human fellow, doing really some great product for us.
Please do not argue with any kind of haters ever.
They just drain your high spirit. Any NTR haters, any “porn logic is bad” and so on. You have users that are very happy with your work. I see quality in that M.C. is not a complete imbecile like in many NTR games. He is actually not too dumb (for NTR game). Please focus on positive feedback! For your health and wellbeing.
You should improve what you already do good for your supporters and fans. Do not change to appease haters. Do not feed trolls.
Best luck.

 

[MZy321]

nice game

 

[TheRetroAiden]

Anotha ntr game .. alr

 

[ConspicuousChanneler]

youre kinda proving my point there, the issue you take with my post is the phrasing and not the content. you didnt even get past the first sentence.

i stopped following your thread actively a few days ago, i dont remember who wrote what in detail. frankly, i dont need to as its not my game and not my thread and im a whole lot less invested than you are.

i saw a few patterns and decided to comment on them, mainly that your defense of that i think undefendable bathroom scene boils down to two things: porn is unrealistic too and its my game, i can do what i want + its free so you should be thankful.

the post i replied to earlier reminded me of the first pattern again and i took some effort to respond to it.

the second pattern shines through in your last response.

i mean hey, you're right, it is your game and you can do what you want. my opinion is free too, i also can do what i want. feel free to ignore it. i never said i expect others to make a game i like, im just hoping for it. i definitly dont expect you to make that game as im definitly giving up here seeing your reactions to moderate critique. calling it audacity is kinda funny tho
remember where we are

either way, good luck. if your game does improve i might pay for it, who knows

Someone said I have some weird views on this matter a while back but mate, you have some seriously weird views on "moderate critique", which seemingly ranges, in your eyes, from pissing all over the product without any arguments to voicing some valid concerns - but not without insulting the author and/or the product. For the record, I believe you belong to the latter group.

I agree that the author tends to ignore/avoid addressing valid criticism when it's accompanied by insults and generally condescending remarks (as well as the "porn not serious" bit). But let's be honest here, you can't seriously be surprised that people react defensively when you tell them they only value ass kissers (just as an example...) - especially when the reality shows that those who offer critique without taking the piss are addressed with professionalism and their concerns are discussed (in great length and detail).

At the end of the day, it's your choice to be condescending and crude, but at least don't act surprised if you're not taken as seriously as those who adhere to basic courtesy - a life lesson, really.

 

[yewint0075]

when release?

 

[NTR.ai]

Author. Thank you very much! Game is excellent. Your work ethic as of now is admirable. Some authors on Patreon constantly breaking dates and ghost their patrons. You really are shining in a good light.



Constructive criticism.
Just about text bloating. The game, for some scenes, have too many, let's call them “fillers”. Maybe A.I. text generates it that way?

Abstract example. In tone of this V.N. Not actual quote.
“Her face suddenly got lit by a smile. She nods. Beads of dew on morning grass touched by gentle wind twinkled magically, creating a surreal atmosphere. Low humming of cars in a distance...”
Bold text is mostly “parasitic”. Not always, but mostly it just eats our time. This just drags time, adding too much text on top of really important information.

Erotic V.N. does not need to be written like high poetry. Or huge general novel. Reading hours of unnecessary text at some point, when the game grows, is not cool. Emotions, thoughts and so on — are great! Really.
But this... “Low light is the office went even dimmer.” O.K... For 1 time. But then something like that example repeats itself in office scenes like 10 or more times — not that great.
Now, like 15-25% of sentences can be cut off the game without any damage to emotions, plot, and even overall atmosphere and satisfaction.


Also, just as human to a good human fellow, doing really some great product for us.
Please do not argue with any kind of haters ever.
They just drain your high spirit. Any NTR haters, any “porn logic is bad” and so on. You have users that are very happy with your work. I see quality in that M.C. is not a complete imbecile like in many NTR games. He is actually not too dumb (for NTR game). Please focus on positive feedback! For your health and wellbeing.
You should improve what you already do good for your supporters and fans. Do not change to appease haters. Do not feed trolls.
Best luck.

Really, thank you for your feedback and appreciation! I’ll do my best to ignore those comments, though honestly, it’s harder than I thought, haha.

As for your suggestion, I totally agree with your second example—"Low light in the office went even dimmer." In fact, sometimes I get so focused on figuring out the right character expressions, making sure the emotions behind each line are logical, and deciding what emotion should come next, that I end up overlooking the narrator sentences. It's not an excuse, of course, and I’ll definitely be more careful going forward. Actually, I’ve already received some feedback about dialogue issues in other areas too, so I’ve been spending a lot more time polishing the dialogues for the next version. That’s also one of the reasons I couldn’t update within a week this time.

But regarding your first example—"Her face suddenly got lit by a smile. She nods. Beads of dew on morning grass touched by gentle wind twinkled magically, creating a surreal atmosphere. Low humming of cars in the distance..."—I'm not so sure this kind of description can or should be completely left out. I still feel that some of it serves a purpose. My current thought is to include one or two atmospheric lines at the beginning of each scene. And since my game isn’t exactly text-heavy overall, I think it’s acceptable?

Anyway, I’ve put a lot more effort into both dialogue and narration for v0.6.0. Maybe once you see it, you can tell me if you feel it’s improved enough based on the examples you mentioned?

Thanks again for your suggestions and feedback!

 

[NTR.ai]

when release?

I just asked for updating the thread, if you don't want to wait, you could download the new version on my Patreon.

 

[Johanna_S]

Thank you author.
I fully agree that setting a scene is great. In few sentences.
Actually, if this was not a porn game, I would praise you for your writing and smart use of A.I.
And it's situational, true. That is why I originally wrote — “Not always, but mostly it just eats our time.”

But in the beginning, especially in restaurant (first meeting with his girl), then walk in a park and after jog, scene when they eat, subjectively I read maybe 30+ sentences about people, noise, atmosphere, birds, food, sunlight, and again people, noises, food etc. When 10–15 sentences possibly could do just alright to set and fill those 3 scenes.

And yes — it is your V.N. and you can and actually should write it as you feel right. Because, what makes good authors so precious, when the game is good, and we become attached to the character, is that she or he lives in the author's head. In his imagination.
Changing too much is like breaking character (not about setting scene breaking, but about when some demand drastic changes in characters). And that is why it is so tragic when games got abandoned or something happens to the author. It's like favorite characters die. Sad.


Also, some animation art criticism to balance my sincere appreciation.
Originally, I used only male's perspective in the first two runs, for added mystery. (Last on 0.5.1.) And didn't see this at all to give feedback. Yesterday I played girl's perspective too.
And you, of course, can fully ignore this point of view. Just my 2 cents, that moving art is in some cases is grainy, inconsistent with basic 2D image depictions of the main girl and really much worse. She has like very different faces.

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In these last 4 images, animated girl are strictly worse. One screenshot taken right before animation — one when animation is active. It is not just expression that is different — face and eyes form are different too.
This is fully subjective, but I would 1000x times prefer like 3-4 additional still 2D images of sex or masturbation to 1 grainy sex animation with girl's face that uglified. Sorry, I really can't unsee it.

 

[Johanna_S]

So, actually, scrap that feedback about sentences for ambience, scene setting with too much info at all. That was comparably very small. If this helps with time to somehow improve animations. Or just avoid them if they are so inconsistent is some scenes. I will be so fucking happy!

Fully subjective, but she really has unpleasant, unattractive faces in those two examples.
No worse mood killer for porn than suddenly ugly girl that had insane face beauty just 1 screen before. Like, “What the fuck is that??! Why I even spend my time looking at face like that?” *Erection and mood left the chat!*

Sorry, real respect for the game. Just honest about my impression with those animation issues.

 

[ConspicuousChanneler]

really interesting, I never really paid attention to her face that much before but it does change, doesn't it? But while that is a valid opinion, I for one really enjoy the animations and think they are the biggest contributor to this game being different from the other AI stuff.

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I'd personally rather see this quality of animation than pure still frames

 

[Johanna_S]

I really like animation consistency in most “The big swap” animations.
The big swap
If art is like this, consistent and without most of the noise — I fully support. But those examples — sorry. I stand by my opinion. Bitchy face is alright. But uglifying is unfortunate. Really turns me off.

That face next to this just after? Sorry. I can't take it...

 

[NTR.ai]

Thank you author.
I fully agree that setting a scene is great. In few sentences.
Actually, if this was not a porn game, I would praise you for your writing and smart use of A.I.
And it's situational, true. That is why I originally wrote — “Not always, but mostly it just eats our time.”

But in the beginning, especially in restaurant (first meeting with his girl), then walk in a park and after jog, scene when they eat, subjectively I read maybe 30+ sentences about people, noise, atmosphere, birds, food, sunlight, and again people, noises, food etc. When 10–15 sentences possibly could do just alright to set and fill those 3 scenes.

And yes — it is your V.N. and you can and actually should write it as you feel right. Because, what makes good authors so precious, when the game is good, and we become attached to the character, is that she or he lives in the author's head. In his imagination.
Changing too much is like breaking character (not about setting scene breaking, but about when some demand drastic changes in characters). And that is why it is so tragic when games got abandoned or something happens to the author. It's like favorite characters die. Sad.


Also, some animation art criticism to balance my sincere appreciation.
Originally, I used only male's perspective in the first two runs, for added mystery. (Last on 0.5.1.) And didn't see this at all to give feedback. Yesterday I played girl's perspective too.
And you, of course, can fully ignore this point of view. Just my 2 cents, that moving art is in some cases is grainy, inconsistent with basic 2D image depictions of the main girl and really much worse. She has like very different faces.

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In these last 4 images, animated girl are strictly worse. One screenshot taken right before animation — one when animation is active. It is not just expression that is different — face and eyes form are different too.
This is fully subjective, but I would 1000x times prefer like 3-4 additional still 2D images of sex or masturbation to 1 grainy sex animation with girl's face that uglified. Sorry, I really can't unsee it.

No problem, and I completely understand that it’s troublesome for you to give concrete examples of exactly how much is enough or too much—it really depends on the specific scene as well. So just in case I didn’t fully grasp what you meant, I suggested that you could take a look at the improvements in v0.6.0 and let me know if you feel it’s better or if it still feels the same.

As for the masturbation animation, I do agree it’s pretty obvious and definitely should have been improved. I think I really started paying more attention to consistency issues and animation quality around v0.4.2, because before that, I honestly wasn’t sure what was considered “good enough” for players, or whether it was worth investing more time into something I wasn’t completely confident about.
However, As for the blowjob animation, I actually did pay attention to the faces too, but when I reviewed the motion scenes, I didn’t notice any significant deformation. I rewatched the animations again, and to be honest, I still don’t see anything too obvious in motion. However, I agree it becomes much more noticeable when viewed as static frames, and I have to say, you really have a good eye for detail. I’ll probably ask my patrons whether the quality issues are noticeable for them or not.

Regarding the penis shadow, I have to admit I wasn’t fully satisfied with it either, but since that was intended as more of a transitional scene rather than a full animation, I just went with it at the time. Fortunately, while working on v0.6.0, I found some new techniques to make these elements more controllable, so hopefully this kind of problem will be less noticeable going forward.