VN Ren'Py Of Birds and Bees [v0.7] [DiscipleOfVirginia]

[Kurt_Eichenwald]

Ok so is the sissification tag about the guy instantly turning into a girl? not really something id call sissification

 

[Kripper10]

But what if, hypothetically of course, this ratio of story to erotica is what makes the author put food on their table? And one of the reasons their game sticks out from the crowd? What if, and bare with me here, that in order to write erotica well, you need tension? And if the main character gets their cheeks clapped within an hour, there is not much more you can do with said character in terms of tension (That we allready established is a necessary component of erotica)? And this could have been an issue and a major criticism of the authors first work, which may or may not have included a caked up gypsy with a gun (Again, we are only speaking in hypotheticals here)? And this is them rectifying said issue?

(This all being hypothetical of course)

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Again, as I said, it's why I recommend sites like RoyalRoad and Itchi for the sake of focusing on the writing aspect. While it may be true that particular erotica needs tension, it does NOT require this much tension or horror. As someone who's also written my fair share of works in the past, I can say that if one is trying to advertise this as PORN, then they should have more content that IS porn rather than merely putting out a novel for the sake of trying to get their first work out. It's dishonest and doesn't do well to build up trust with future readers as they'll start to view all future projects this individual does as being similar and you'd get more people disinterested than you would interested.

Instead, suppose one is to focus on the literary aspect. In that case, one should do JUST that and not shift it into something that is viewed as being erotica but is a very dull erotica at that when compared to others that... while not good gameplay-wise, are certainly able to keep and retain attention due in part to the amount of porn they add to their VN, as opposed to this piece. Which seems to focus more on the narrative then it does the porn... which they're trying to advertise to gain monetary support for. You don't see H-Artists focusing on non-Hentai works, as they know where their money comes from. Sex sells, and if there's not a lot of sex, how do you sell?

Now, I will say if this is a first attempt, I applaud it and hope they continue to write, improve, and create more stories as it's a good first attempt, like really good. But saying that, I do think there should be a clear separation for the next outing, as even many of the new reviews lately have thus far also highlighted this. Cause they're downloading a 7.8g game hoping for some fun, kinky porn, not 1.2g of porn, while the remaining 6.6g is all story XD.

Essentially, one must know their audience and craft something around it while still maintaining the same degree of creativity that drives the writer's passion.

 

[DiscipleOfVirginia]

Again, as I said, it's why I recommend sites like RoyalRoad and Itchi for the sake of focusing on the writing aspect.

This could have been a good argument, if, but only if, not for the fact that there is a looooot of games on this site that has no erotica/porn/hentai in them. And still are on this site.

as even many of the new reviews lately have thus far also highlighted this

The comments are not however supporting your thesis. Not compared to from the timespan of v0.6 - v0.7. Further more, very few people read those reviews.

while not good gameplay-wise, are certainly able to keep and retain attention due in part to the amount of porn they add to their VN, as opposed to this piece.

Which is fine for those creators, yet, you keep missing the point. If this is what the writer wants to do, and it gives them money, they have no reason whatsoever to listen to your criticism. Not trying to be mean, but you must see this right?

Essentially, one must know their audience and craft something around it while still maintaining the same degree of creativity that drives the writer's passion.

But if this is what makes the writer money, exactly what they are doing with this game as of now, then they should continue doing this. As this is, by your own words: "one must know their audience and craft something around it while still maintaining the same degree of creativity that drives the writer's passion". If the audience WANTS a lot of story, then the writer must supply that.

 

[dolfe67]

The times I have spanked girls (Consensually of course) the sounds I put in the game are the ones closest to my memory. Yet always open to suggestions.

I didn't know you're expecting an answer.

Here for instance. It's pretty similar but note how the intensity is varying. When you hear the same and only "slap" on a loop (like when Mr Strong rapidly spanks Melanie) it's not good imo. I challenge anyone to produce the same sound with each slap

 

[Alley_Cat]

I didn't know you're expecting an answer.

Here for instance. It's pretty similar but note how the intensity is varying. When you hear the same and only "slap" on a loop (like when Mr Strong rapidly spanks Melanie) it's not good imo. I challenge anyone to produce the same sound with each slap

Kinda reminds me of something I learned in Psych. Because the brain tends to drown out repeatitive sounds, for aircraft terrain warning alerts, they gradually increase the pitch. So what might start as a low, droning "Terrain ... pull up", if you don't pull up, eventually it becomes this high pitched, almost panicked squeal of "PULL UP!!, PULL UP!! PULL UP!!"

 

[DiscipleOfVirginia]

I didn't know you're expecting an answer.

Here for instance. It's pretty similar but note how the intensity is varying. When you hear the same and only "slap" on a loop (like when Mr Strong rapidly spanks Melanie) it's not good imo. I challenge anyone to produce the same sound with each slap

I see your point. But since the sound is baked into the animation, its quite tricky to do. But this is why I always try to atleast have a new spanking sound for each new animation, to not rehash them all the time.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Again, as I said, it's why I recommend sites like RoyalRoad and Itchi for the sake of focusing on the writing aspect. While it may be true that particular erotica needs tension, it does NOT require this much tension or horror. As someone who's also written my fair share of works in the past, I can say that if one is trying to advertise this as PORN, then they should have more content that IS porn rather than merely putting out a novel for the sake of trying to get their first work out. It's dishonest and doesn't do well to build up trust with future readers as they'll start to view all future projects this individual does as being similar and you'd get more people disinterested than you would interested.

Instead, suppose one is to focus on the literary aspect. In that case, one should do JUST that and not shift it into something that is viewed as being erotica but is a very dull erotica at that when compared to others that... while not good gameplay-wise, are certainly able to keep and retain attention due in part to the amount of porn they add to their VN, as opposed to this piece. Which seems to focus more on the narrative then it does the porn... which they're trying to advertise to gain monetary support for. You don't see H-Artists focusing on non-Hentai works, as they know where their money comes from. Sex sells, and if there's not a lot of sex, how do you sell?

Now, I will say if this is a first attempt, I applaud it and hope they continue to write, improve, and create more stories as it's a good first attempt, like really good. But saying that, I do think there should be a clear separation for the next outing, as even many of the new reviews lately have thus far also highlighted this. Cause they're downloading a 7.8g game hoping for some fun, kinky porn, not 1.2g of porn, while the remaining 6.6g is all story XD.

Essentially, one must know their audience and craft something around it while still maintaining the same degree of creativity that drives the writer's passion.

I'm going to disagree with some of your post.

I enjoy a wide variety of AVNs and their contents vary from Very porn heavy/story lite to Story heavy/porn lite.

The important thing for a developer to note is what he is creating as well as the intended update cycle, then produce such while communicating with his $ supporters and addressing feedback from those supporters.

$ supporters know they are much more likely to be able to engage a dev with feedback via Patreon/SS, commenting on dev updates or sending the dev DMs.

F95 users get to take a dev's work for free.

Yes - we can offer feedback - some of which can be helpful to a dev, but ignoring at least part of the dev's post that you responded to is not especially helpful.

The dev said that part of why he created this AVN this way was due to feedback from his previous attempt.

You responded in your final paragraph with:

Now, I will say if this is a first attempt

This is Not the dev's first attempt, but it does have a mix of erotica/tension/horror that you disagree with.

I don't think ignoring the dev's explanation helps to make your point.

You have your preferences - which is fine.

Some of us actually Like the mix of tension, horror and erotica because this Is different than so much of what else is out there in various AVNs.

This is also fine.

I hope the dev maintains the current mix of erotica/tension/horror Because I enjoy how he is telling this story.

It Is different and I like how it stands out from the crowd, so I hope that the dev continues with this AVN in its current form.

Cheers!!

 

[slightchance]

Instead, suppose one is to focus on the literary aspect. In that case, one should do JUST that and not shift it into something that is viewed as being erotica but is a very dull erotica at that when compared to others that

Sounds like gatekeeping to me. Besides, it's pointless criticizing the game or the dev at this point. It's a 1-person effort and already their 2nd huge game. They're very consistent in the way they merge the story elements with sexual encounters. People are invested in the game and the dev has already admitted that they know their work isn't suited for the mass market which I find admirable.

Personally, I think the foundation is great, although I would certainly streamline a lot of parts, especially those who I think are either over the top or downright confusing. That was already the case with Autumn Boulevard though.

 

[Massi89]

I don't really get the point of those who keep lamenting the lack of porn in this game.
In my mind, what I would call a dull erotica is a game full of sex scenes without any kind of context or way to be engaged by the game (I can just watch some average porn clips and it would be just the same).

 

[dolfe67]

(I can just watch some average porn clips and it would be just the same).

Not the same, but better. Or at least more realistic

 

[DiscipleOfVirginia]

Or at least more realistic

Speaking of, I hate to break it to everyone, but I met up with my cousins this Christmas. None of them animorphed to Eldritch Goddeses/Gods vaguely resembling an animal.

Sorry for letting you guys down

 

[Alley_Cat]

Speaking of, I hate to break it to everyone, but I met up with my cousins this Christmas. None of them animorphed to Eldritch Goddeses/Gods vaguely resembling an animal.

Sorry for letting you guys down

That you know of. They might have just done it when you weren't around.

 

[CrazyRabbit]

Speaking of, I hate to break it to everyone, but I met up with my cousins this Christmas. None of them animorphed to Eldritch Goddeses/Gods vaguely resembling an animal.

Sorry for letting you guys down

How to go on living after a news like that ?....
I'll try to cheer myself up by watching gorgeous girls being spanked by hideous old fucks

 

[Abazzaba]

Mr. Bumblebee in his animal form is infinitely huggable.
I love his little grabby hands.
Probably is my favorite character.
It makes me fear for his longevity now that his lack of being able to "respawn" in his home has been brought up more than once.
Hope that's just me being being paranoid, and not foreshadowing an impending heroic sacrifice.

 

[DiscipleOfVirginia]

ディーバはいつ活動しますか？

彼はv0.3のようなものを持っていて、それ以降もあります。

I translated this (ディーバはいつ活動しますか？) to this using Chatgpt: The Japanese sentence "ディーバはいつ活動しますか" translates to "When does the diva (or singer) perform?"

Thus I will assume, he/she is talking about Diva. I answered: "He has some stuff in like v0.3, and from beyond that point" in Japanese.

Then again, I could hav just taken a big fat L, and that is not what he said.

 

[estrada777]

Updated Android port. Nothing too fancy but let me know if you have any issues.

PLEASE don't reply, or @ me, or DM me for updates. I always update my ports, YES I ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE UPDATE.

IMPORTANT Instructions:
1. Download the APK:

You must be registered to see the links

<Mega>
Size 132 MB

2. Install the apk and run it once.

If you are upgrading and you already have the RPA file you can stop here.

3. Download the RPA file:

You must be registered to see the links

<Pixeldrain>
Size 2.40 GB

4. Move the RPA file to the game directory on your phone:
Documents/Renpy_Saves/com.estrada777.ofbirdsandbees/game
The file MUST be named: archive.0.7.rpa

5. Restart the game and enjoy.

Updated my android port.

 

[Freshman22]

Klaudia's path is just brilliant! Masterpiece imo. Corrupting the MC and then corrupting MCs sister too. Beautifully done.

 

[darkdesigns]

Out of curiosity, does the full version expand on the story at all? I played through the beta, but haven't gotten around to checking out the full version 0.7. I had assumed it ends at the same place, but if there's more I'm definitely going to have to start a new playthrough now, rather than waiting for the next release. I've been craving more of Klaudia for a while it feels like. lol

 

[temanmesra]

Klaudia's path is just brilliant! Masterpiece imo. Corrupting the MC and then corrupting MCs sister too. Beautifully done.

what your path rute bro?

 

[Brudda10]

Tivoli is a what please whats the code