Thank you. I play so many games it is hard to keep them start at times.She has 2 sisters.
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Heya,
I played until the current end (8 v08)
And...
I'm sorry, but Daisy being all touchy with MC's sister behind MC's back can be considered as NTR.
Besides, I don't remember read it but, does the MC knew that Daisy and her mother (and maybe her sisters) were/are in an incest-lesbian relashionship?
Does Daisy and her family still in an incest-lesbian relashionship?
And, if even he knows, the fact that Daisy was... like she was, on the phone with her mother... That can also be considered as NTR. Does the MC is automatically okay with her fiancée telling her mom what she told? (again, behind MC's back)
Eehhh...
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Yeah I couldn't respectfully disagree more... unless you are going by the ambiguous F95 definition of NTR by the posters themselves, because the more classic definition of NTR does not apply at all. From the very beginning of the game Daisy has always maintained her love and loyalty to the MC, her fiancé. That being said, this is a rather wholesome incest themed game where clearly its revealed Daisy grew up in a very sexually open family where everyone freely expressed their love, affection, sexual desire and experimentation with each other.
Given that the MC is estranged from his own family at the beginning of the game, Daisy decides its up to her to not only make a good impression on her future in-laws, but at the same time try to heal his family and bring everyone closer together...she just is going off her own personal experience for how to best have a loving and close family by picking up on the sexual tension between mother and son....and sister and brother and is laying the groundwork so everyone can accept their feelings, and be open about them with each other to avoid any hostility or jealousy and everyone can love each other equally.
In this particular case, lesbian relations =/= NTR since there is no attempt to steal anyone from their partner. Again, Daisy already has a pre-existing sexual relationship with both her mom and sisters, but does not feel she is cheating on the MC with them since she has always planned on slowly introducing the MC into her unique family and offering to share him with them and them with him. It's also very clear she is also trying to make the MC's sister and mother also ok with exploring their own bi-curiosity and ease them all into a similar incestual relationship like the one she has with her own family.
Given the end result will most likely be one big blended family where everyone is free to be sexually open with everyone at any time, there is no NTR unless your own made up definition includes having sex with someone other than your significant other....which would also invalidate polyamorous or open relationships.
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It's not NTR since Daisy and MC are both main protagonists
Oh man. Did you use the naive syrup on your morning pancakes? Maybe you might consider thinking that through from the perspective of the majority of people who play these VNs. I'm certain you'll see the point.
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Ironically enough, it was after I wrote my response earlier that it actually occurred to me Daisy is arguably a co-MC/protagonist herself given how much effort behind the scenes she is working to achieve her master plan....while having at least an equal amount of screen time compared to the MC. Again, as for the NTR insanity, considering she has no interest in stealing his mother and sister as her exclusive lovers, while not sharing her own mother and sisters with him, that doesn't apply in this case.
I get there are those out there who prefer to just have 1 love interest who they romance over the course of a game, however this one is set up to be a closed incestual polyamory relationship where most if not all the females will end up bisexual. If that's something that doesn't appeal to you, then you're playing the wrong game.
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Heya,
Yeah but what if the MC is not okay with that?
Of course, the dev will make the MC okay so they can have big orgies and all and happy ending, but I don't remember the MC saying to his fiancée: "Ooohh, I see, so you still have sexual relashionship with your family, or planning to do it, while we are together, I'm totally okay with that, thank you for cheating on me with your family, or my family, Honey".
If you can see that point, well you understand the NTR is not far from it...
So yeah, it's not the real "definition" of netorare but I'm pretty sure you know that NTR became a word to discribe these situations. It's the same feeling.
If you are not okay with NTR, then let's go with "NTR-vibes".
The game is in the same category as "Parental Love" or "The Visit": LI who had sex with other women behind MC's back. People didn't call that NTR because it was with women and not men, but even if it had been with a dog or an alien, it would have been the same.
That's also something that bothered me.
She didn't talked about doing that with her fiancé, she just did it. How could she know it would work?
After all, she didn't know the MC's family before.
I call that a Dev Ex Machina (you can't find better), like in "Unlimited pleasure" (before remake) when all the LIs knew from the start that the MC had sex with all of them, even if there wasn't the slightest hint about it between them, but they still handled the MC like he was a shit and after that:"Lololol it was a joke, we knew from the begining you fucked us all!"
But, yeah... she is also a main protagonist so... She can do things like that and make them work, I guess.
But I would like to hear the dev's opinion before deciding whether I continue this game's futur updates or not.
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Considering the MC started feeling an attraction to both his sister and mother tells us he would be totally fine either having threesomes, orgies or just one-on-one sex with any of the females he potentially will have access to once everything is out in the open. Likewise, in the last update he caught Daisy and his sister fooling around, and instead of getting jealous, he was instantly aroused and excited...especially when Daisy encouraged them to kiss and make out in front of her. Additionally Daisy also gave the MC permission and encouraged him to go on a romantic date with his mother so we can only assume they will have a talk soon about expanding their own relationship to include having sex with his family and hers, especially since her mother already is looking forward to meeting the MC and its implied they'd like for him to freely have sex with Daisy's mom and her sisters once they get comfortable and get to know each other better.
As for why did Daisy decide on her own without talking to the MC her plans to make this kind of relationship....well she knows her fiancé pretty well and going off her own experience for how close her family is, she believes he can be happy like her if she went out of her way to get everyone's feelings out in the open and not deny how they feel or be jealous if they can all agree to share similar to what she experienced in her family. So far he hasn't yelled or told her she was wrong to do what she did so there's no reason to think he would not like this idea.
If you're telling me this isn't realistic, well yeah of course not, but this game isn't trying to be. Furthermore, just what did you think was going to happen in this VN after reading the premise? I don't understand the problem here...is it the incest? group sex? or potential lesbian sex with or without the MC present?? I mean, considering the tags listed in the description was it ever really a surprise the MC was going to have sex with someone other than Daisy? Or that she would have her own sexual background that she was waiting for the right time to introduce her family and their 'secret' to him when she felt like he was ready for the truth?
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I had waffles not pancakes thank you very much
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If you have read my previous post, you know what to choose yourself. That' can't be the incest, right? I mean, I mentionned The Visit, Parental Love, Ultimate Pleasure...
I don't know what else to answer except for repeat myself.
In the end, Daisy just assume that she can do everything with her family or MC's family behind MC's back, and the MC must be okay with it.
Is the MC really the MC, or is he just "Perverted Hotel" MC?
If the MC doesn't know that she is still in a sex relashionship with her family, well yeah... she is cheating on him.
If she is on the phone with her mom and saying to her she want to do thing with her without knowing the MC's blessing on that, yeah, she's cheating on him.
If she grab the MC's sister's butt during training without tell MC about that, yeah, she's cheaitng on him.
Dev Ex Machina just made or will make the MC okay with that.
Sorry but I really don't know what else to say.
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I think we are kind of getting in the weeds here. Just enjoy the game. And do we have annnnnn approximately time for the next update. Month not date. Just asking for a friend.
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Been about a month since we heard anything, it's a page or 2 back, from the Dev. Just gotta wait and see!
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Love the game so far. I think the NTR discussion is taking it sort of far but I do think she's sorta cheating on "MC" since she doesn't really have his consent when she starts getting handsy. But this game did something really well that I think was unintentional. It seems to tell the story of a woman who has been groomed into the whole family love thing. The effect that has on the current situation is that she's sorta "grooming" "MCs" naive sister, step by step into that lifestyle. I know grooming isn't exactly the right word for it since the sister is 18 but she's quite naive.
Frankly the way she did it was sort of uncomfortable and it made me realize that while I appreciate realism I think I prefer the all too cliché porn logic corruption that we often see. I do think it's a great game but this whole manipulation by Daisy on the sister left me feeling sort of mixed about the whole thing.
Frankly the way she did it was sort of uncomfortable and it made me realize that while I appreciate realism I think I prefer the all too cliché porn logic corruption that we often see. I do think it's a great game but this whole manipulation by Daisy on the sister left me feeling sort of mixed about the whole thing.
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A lot of harem games have a LI that does this; helping MC corrupt another LI while he works on a different one. I think it would be less efficient if he had to do it all by himself as it would leave less time to do sexy stuff with all the girls.
Of course, that's assuming this game is a harem game but idk why Daisy would be fine with MC fucking his family (and possibly hers) if it didn't eventually become one, otherwise
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I just think that Daisy does it in a sort of realistic and at the same time creepy way. Usually in these games corruption involves a bit of porn logic, "Oh no his dick is rubbing up on me... but it feels good" kinda thing. Here it's all very much feeding off a curiousity and a romanticization of MC due to him leaving. Again it leaves me feeling kinda split on the game because it's kinda too realistic for me (making it a bit creepy) but at the same time the story is good.
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This game is tagged "Multi protagonist". Since both Andy and Daisy are both MCs, the NTR discussion doesn't even exist. Both can have sex with anyone without it being NTR according to the forum definition.
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