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Seems highly improbable.
Do you not think we'd have seen her, when we flew off, if she was? MC was injured, but the Doc doesn't show up to enquire about his injury, having been shot in the gut? Or to look after Nyx, who's absolutely fucked?
We saw everyone else on the ship, even our new crew member.
She specifically said she wasn't coming with, when MC said farewell to her.
She's got her own stuff to take care off.
I think her being on the ship would mean she'd welched on her deal with the Yakuza.
Don't think being on the run from the USF and the Yakuza would be a particularly smart move.
It would also add more jeopardy to the rest of the crew, which I doubt very much she'd want to do to them.
She's surely going to return, but I honestly don't think she's there now.
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Totally see where you're coming from, especially with the "spare prick at a wedding\3rd spoke on a wheel" situation.
But, I think that him being "bro" was kind of earned when he helped get us laid in the bar, then saved our ass outside the bar.
Isn't that what a wingman's for?
Also, with him being close to Noel & her family, he gets a bit of a gratis status bump.
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Well, if you want to be super cynical about him, which I'm not, but if you want to, you could always see having him around as having a meat shield who can die or get hurt in place of all our LIs.
No real complaints, I'm just really surprised he still appears actually. And seeing how the author made him so... low ? I'm not really sure there's a point.
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is a time-honored tradition. He doesn't need to have a point, but he may. Only Cryo knows.If you just look at what Vann, as a character has done, the bro status is kind of justified.
But if you look at him as a person or an element in the story its really not. Cap and Vann have no history, no similarities to bond over, no shared tragedy. There's no narrative reason why Vann should act like he does towards cap. It just feels like cryo wanted a bro character in the story, so he just put a bro character in the story without bothering to justify why Vann and cap would be bros.
dang, it sounds like you've never made a friend before
But the thing is, that I don't hate him either. I don't want something bad to happen to him, though you're right that his death could work to add stakes without killing off one of the LI's.
You're not wrong, but in this kind of game, where it's not particularly hard to get laid, it doesn't feel like that big a deal. Also fair, that he saved the MC (though personally, I hate that he had to do that). I'm not denying that he's a nice and cool guy, but I feel like there's more to being a "bro" than just doing nice things. I feel like there wasn't enough time developing a bond with him. Right now, he feels like a guy that I wouldn't mind getting a drink with, but not someone that I'd throw down my life to save or protect.
On a semi related note, was it mentioned in the last update, that Vann was interested in joining the crew?
Have you? Friends don't typically pop into existence with a fully formed friendship. That happens over time building mutual trust, respect and affection.dang, it sounds like you've never made a friend before
This is probably the biggest sticking point to me. When I look at my favorite "bro," characters from other games they're either introduced with prior history, like Ian in Pale Carnations and Chang in Eternum. Or are introduced early on and the relationship develops over time, like Derek from Being a DIK. It's actually the role that I was hoping Alex would play when I first started this game, before he was revealed to be an unlikable dickhead.
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That seems a bit self contradictory.
If you look at what he did as a character it's justified, but as a person it's not??
What he did as a character defines who he is as a person.
A decent guy who saved the MC.
Yeah, thanks for saving my life, now let me treat you like some random? WTF?
I feel sorry for anyone who puts themself in danger to help you!
No similarities? Did you miss the part where they both love & respect Noel?
She also highly respects Vann so, as I said, he gets some gratis status from that. As do we, with him.
To be fair, saving MC from getting kidnapped and sold into slavery (which is what the 2 thugs were discussing doing) qualifies as a lot more than simply "nice", to me.
He literally saved MC's ass.
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For one, I'm pretty sure they just decided to rob him after he reached for his gun. Secondly that scene purely exists so that Vann can save you. It's a situation that was created in order to ingratiate Vann to us. It's part of the problem I have with Vann. None of the interactions with him feel organic. It feels like I'm being pandered to.
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Yeah, cos saving his life & getting him laid, plus him taking care of Noel's family (despite being her ex) doesn't build any trust, respect, or affection.
Noooo.
They discussed what they were going to do, kidnap him & sell him to the slavers, before they got anywhere near him.
MC only reached for his gun when it was obvious they weren't just trying to help him out. The conversation escalated.
Much like 2 shady guys coming up to you on the street & asking if they can borrow your phone.
You should know (or at least suspect) that they're trying to rob you.
That scene exists as part of the story. It establishes a bond, between MC & Vann, outside of the one created by him being a decent guy who's taken care of Noel's family.
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Dang sorry for giving captain a ship full of big-boobed hotties. I shouldn't have pandered to you with that! They should have all been grizzly military dudes blowing each other in the showers. Would have been much more organic
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Very nearly everything else in the game is just as inorganic if you want to look at it that way.
We just happen to be made captain of a ship that will conveniently double as a very nice harem mansion.
Our female crew just happen to all be single.
And so on, remember this is a story that someone is telling. There's always going to be a degree of inorganic-ness to what's happening