Mogul Khan
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any tips of how to handle the crashing in opening when the torch lady loading screen is appearing?
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Alphonsocat
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the Devs aren't really working on the game, don't believe words, only actions. people are gonna argue the engine is hard to work with, and the game is going through a huge update overhaul, bullshit... Dev doesn't wanna work because he keeps getting paid for doing nothing, that's all.
SSLover
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Could be milking but honestly I dont see it like that. Dev is and always has been slow af but he delivers everytime.
Built Different
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Dev still drip feeding to milky milk the most with least effort possible huh? guess i will check back in a year or smth.
No idea what's going on with the dev/this game, but I can tell you as a developer that Unity sucks;
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Any developer worth their salt, who watches someone fail to use their own product to develop stuff, using the normal expected methods, leaves. At high speed.
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So, if he's saying that the engine is rough to work with, believe me, he's not wrong. I truly don't envy anyone who made the mistake of going with them, especially if they're making something even slightly unique.
Alphonsocat
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engine hard to work with = 1 year without releases...???
I took a look at their news page,
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It's not as if they've taken the money and just left.They're actually really quite open about their development progress, I never talk about anything that's in progress until it's nearly done.
Would have understood the scepticism about updates even being worked on, if they weren't talking about their progress fairly consistently.
If you want to show them how it's done, there's lots of tools that will let you decompile the game and extract the assets. You can show all those silly Unity devs what they're doing wrong, which I'm sure they'll be very grateful for, since Unity doesn't care to explain what they should be doing.
My only concern with this is a year ago we were right in the middle of a 'hiatus' as they were rebuilding their engine from the ground up to handle the Mermaid update and to make future updates easier to implement.
And so here we are, getting close to a year since the update that was supposed to make subsequent updates easier to implement, without an update.
Yes, I still watch the Patreon feed. Yes, I still watch the Steam updates. Yes, they are still working on an update. But i've been burned by Good Games Done Slow before, and I can't help but be a little concerned that the update after all this time might be underwhelming. I'm letting them cook, I just worry they fell asleep on the stove.
I wasn't aware that they'd already taken time out to do a rewrite, and my build was really old, was expecting them to have fixed some of the bugs that I'd seen in my extremely casual glance at this the other day, like you tell the tiger one to put on her jacket, and the game puts on jacket and shirt, but doesn't tick the shirt option. There's loads of state logic bugs like that.
Trying out the new one, the first thought I have is "Wow, I hate this new day/night cycle; more unskippable crap!", since it happens constantly. I bought some upgrades, and every upgrade refreshes the scene, meaning I have to reopen the laptop... I'd say that I don't understand how this shit gets past any sort of QA, but I already know how; they're reloading the scene because that's the easiest way to not fuck up the logic/have to animate the UI.
Does this upgrade unlock more upgrades? Does the scene change because you bought it (dumbbells)? Don't think about it! Just reload the scene!
No. Stack up the state changes, process them when I close the laptop. Refresh the laptop's browser if you want to be lazy/certain.
Also... Is the elf supposed to be naked in the mermaid scene? Did the game commit her state of undress to the save..? Why..? And why wouldn't you sanitise that on loading the scene, if that's a thing that you're storing..?
Just took a look on YouTube, no, that's not how it should have been. Was really sure, but wanted to confirm.
Literally all I've done is buy the upgrades I didn't have (everything that wasn't dumbbell/grips), and I've already encountered the exact shit I was expecting them to have put in effort to fix.
If this is their easier development version...
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This UI is just generally buggy too, either it's offset (that offset got more pronounced as I fucked with it), doesn't register clicks (clicking "yes" on check message doesn't work until you swipe to "no"), acts in unexpected ways.. (clicking the +/- in the sex scene and sliding the mouse at all fully maximises it in that direction)
And it skips her ending dialogue every time, went from 35% completion to 100%, lol.
I've dicked around with this for like, 5-10 mins. Basic bugs, still unfixed.
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no, in the mind of vanilla harem lover teenager its ntr, because the girl has sex with orc, not human and orc is different species, therefore ntr.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but I hope it is.no, in the mind of vanilla harem lover teenager its ntr, because the girl has sex with orc, not human and orc is different species, therefore ntr.
water_man
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Sucks that this game got saddled with the unity engine, doesn't help that they decided to dip before they were able to QA the bugs mentioned a few posts back.
hopefully the transfer to a new engine can clean up the jank, the times it reloads the entire game just to process a change state starts to grate after the first couple times.
hopefully the transfer to a new engine can clean up the jank, the times it reloads the entire game just to process a change state starts to grate after the first couple times.
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hardig
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Bro I have hard times challenging this shit even now. Can't imagine it was even harder
Ahh the classic once money starts flowing, updates come to grinding halt, people shoulda learned by now but eh it is what it is
Wow almost a full year with out a new build. Crazy that happened last year too.
chipsiup
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People need to do a little critical thinking. The whole "devs are lazy and trying to milk Patreons" narrative is very common and it COULD be true, if it's the case of a game that has tens of thousands of patreons.
But Orc Massage? You take a quick look at it and you can see that it has less than 500 patrons right now. Assuming on average patrons are on the $5 tier then that's only $2500 per month, but it'll be much less if most patrons are only on the $1 tier.
Orc Massage is on STEAM though. And Steam has WAY more reach than patreon, and Steam isn't subscription based. You buy the game once, you own it. The devs have a financial incentive to actually finish a game and publish on Steam, since you tend to get more sales once you're out of early access.
How much more? Who's to say, but according to SteamDB these are the estimated number of people who own the game on steam:
Even going by the low estimate number of 100k owners, at $15 usd price... that $1.5m USD.
With that kind of money on the table you really think they're going to waste time milking the 500 patrons?
But Orc Massage? You take a quick look at it and you can see that it has less than 500 patrons right now. Assuming on average patrons are on the $5 tier then that's only $2500 per month, but it'll be much less if most patrons are only on the $1 tier.
Orc Massage is on STEAM though. And Steam has WAY more reach than patreon, and Steam isn't subscription based. You buy the game once, you own it. The devs have a financial incentive to actually finish a game and publish on Steam, since you tend to get more sales once you're out of early access.
How much more? Who's to say, but according to SteamDB these are the estimated number of people who own the game on steam:
Even going by the low estimate number of 100k owners, at $15 usd price... that $1.5m USD.
With that kind of money on the table you really think they're going to waste time milking the 500 patrons?
Counterpoint, they've already made bank at 1.5m USD, the money they've made through multiple months of patreon income and the lowest estimate of 500USD per month remaining is just a nice little bonus. All they have to do is release a new update and people will probably resub or buy the game, rinse and repeat.
Granted, I do not think it's purely out of malice or greed, because as you said, they can make a lot more money if they were more consistent. I personally think it's either complacency, mismanagement, scope creep or sheer incompetence.
At least they need to have some transparency and communicate with the people that are subbed to them on patreon and their community in steam more frequently. You can't spend so much time without anything to show (that consumers can actually get their hands on, not just some gifs and pictures in a devlog) without garnering a fair amount of criticism. Hell, the supposed winter update from last year was delayed and halfway through 2024 they still haven't released anything.
The devs being lazy COULD be true, depending on how substantial the next update is (and it better be worth the year long wait but I doubt it), but they are absolutely milking patreons. Even if the amount is not that substantial, they are still taking in the money of people with absolutely nothing to show for their customers.