JJJ84

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As for the "overabundance" of references, that was set up with the visit to the studio. Yes, it was over-the-top in this update, but it's an established part of the world, and maybe there's a reason it was given so much emphasis this time around.

The only actual cameo I know was Jenny from Office Perks (speedster maid), and she was the type of cameo you normally see -- one that doesn't intrude on the story and is just an easter egg for those that recognize the character.

The fact that there was one like this, and all the overt references that we KNOW are from other games because of the set-up in the studio office, does make me wonder if there's a larger point to be made, or if Jdor is just amusing himself.
The thing is though, visit to the studio was like two chapters or so ago?
Even that part and meeting Anna & Arwen scene, I don't really remember there being such references being used.
This update was the first which basically had me thinking "Jesus, there's A LOT of references."

And when that sort of reaction is made by the players, it's a clear sign that subtlety is thrown out the window; for what reason, noone knows.
It could be as you've said, Jdor is amusing himself.
Or it could be that he's in some kind of cross promotion with devs of all these other games (they promote Jdor's Origin story somehow in their games, and Jdor promotes theirs etc etc), Or Jdor could simply be huge fans of these games and wanted to pay respect to them.
Or some other unknown reason.


Yet at the end of the update, few words I can use to describe the references with this update;

"distraction"
"bombardment"


Now, don't get me wrong.
I still really enjoyed this update (as said in my initial post), and I maintain my stance that Jdor is a great writer, with his writing for his story & characterization being always consistent since this game's beginning.

Yet, this overabundance of references felt jarring in my eyes and was a slight drawback regarding my enjoyment of it despite how good the update was (even though it had less of my favorite parts; i.e. Lady Steel and Sisterhood. They took more of a backseat).
For instance, with this game's original premise with Superheroes being celebrities, it's clear that there's reference and inspiration from The Boys (well, the Seven from The Boys, to be exact) Amazon TV series.
Yet the way Jdor went about it was very subtle and not blatant.
Nor did the reference go overboard.

Now, I don't know what Jdor's intent was regarding all those references in this update, but I dunno, I feel that subtle approach feels lost at least in that regards.

Not everyone played Chasing Sunset and knows Jaye the main LI.
And not everyone played Come Home and knows what that game is even about. So when game starts to mention these other games and their characters, it's no surprise people will either get confused or scratch their heads if not annoyed.


That Speedster Maid being a character design from another game actually does feel like a more subtle approach.
 

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Let me elaborate further. It all started in the morning, when Evelyn more or less gave the MC carte blanche to do whatever he wanted with her. At first, I was speechless. How could the dev let such a sweet girl make such a far-reaching statement? I wasn't alone in my confusion. Confused, our MC sought out a conversation with Ruth. Basically, she just confirmed what it would lead to.

Since I'm playing with URM, I now came to the point where I was wondering whether or not I could jump into the event you described. For me, the variable was set to FALSE, but out of curiosity, I pressed SELECT anyway. What I saw then only disturbed me even more. Even though it was her own decision, she was reduced to a sexual object of desire and used.

Sorry guys, but Evelyn really didn't deserve that. I replayed the update and skipped this event. I've set a marker for future updates to stop using Evelyn in this regard.

My decision!
I mean, Ruth does talk about it with MC saying "on one hand, she may be doing it just cause she wanted to be devoted to the MC, but on the other hand, it could have been she just said that cause she's more accepting of more kinks/fetishes because of her powers (i.e. getting into other people's mind/view and experience what they experience during her dreams)"

And with that whole foursome sex scene between MC, Anna, Arwen, and Evelyn, she says often enough "Oh my god, I'm getting fucked by Arwen, it's a dream come true!" (and similar sort of lines with Anna, though more to do with Arwen, given she had more interactions with the musician).
For Evelyn, my interpretation of it is she's a total fangirl having sex with her idols.
Even before the whole thing starts, MC does state "only if Evelyn is OK with it."

Not to mention there is also a scene with her and MC back at MC's home (after returning from Anna & Arwen's house) where on MC's bed she embraces MC in a total bliss.
Though if you only watched part of the sex scene, didn't finish till the end and just went back, then you most likely missed it.

So I'm not sure what you mean by she "didn't deserve that."

Evelyn's not just MC's girlfriend, but also his wing-girl (well Ruth does also substantially help since she started guarding him), especially with her letting MC have sex with Moonsong.
Hence, I'd say it's only natural for a scene like the foursome to happen, with Evelyn herself actually encouraging the MC; especially given she wants her boyfiend to have more abilities.
 

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I mean, Ruth does talk about it with MC saying "on one hand, she may be doing it just cause she wanted to be devoted to the MC, but on the other hand, it could have been she just said that cause she's more accepting of more kinks/fetishes because of her powers (i.e. getting into other people's mind/view and experience what they experience during her dreams)"

And with that whole foursome sex scene between MC, Anna, Arwen, and Evelyn, she says often enough "Oh my god, I'm getting fucked by Arwen, it's a dream come true!" (and similar sort of lines with Anna, though more to do with Arwen, given she had more interactions with the musician).
For Evelyn, my interpretation of it is she's a total fangirl having sex with her idols.
Even before the whole thing starts, MC does state "only if Evelyn is OK with it."

Not to mention there is also a scene with her and MC back at MC's home (after returning from Anna & Arwen's house) where on MC's bed she embraces MC in a total bliss.
Though if you only watched part of the sex scene, didn't finish till the end and just went back, then you most likely missed it.

So I'm not sure what you mean by she "didn't deserve that."

Evelyn's not just MC's girlfriend, but also his wing-girl (well Ruth does also substantially help since she started guarding him), especially with her letting MC have sex with Moonsong.
Hence, I'd say it's only natural for a scene like the foursome to happen, with Evelyn herself actually encouraging the MC; especially given she wants her boyfiend to have more abilities.

You're right on all points, including the point that at a certain point I switched off and started thinking about things. What's coming in EP 8, 9, 10, etc.? Which events will the MC and Evelyn maneuver into? Do I want to go down that path? I've come to the conclusion that the event MC, Evelyn, Anna, and Arwen is the beginning of a path I don't want to go down. It's not MC's or Evelyn's decision, but mine.
 
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In the first screenshot paths fork depending on if Evelyn is an LI or not and then... What the fuck is this and who the fuck is Anthony? Been some time since I played this game, loaded up a save and I get greeted with this. Doesn't matter if Evelyn is an LI or not in those choices, same text almost implying some shit happens between her and that other person who I can't remember for the life of me. Doesn't even have an entry in the character profiles screen. I got safe mode on too. It could be a woman? I have no way of knowing in game unless I restart. Can anyone answer please?
 

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Any walkthrough available?
Not that I'm aware of. I use URM (universal renpy mod in case you don't know what it is) in all renpy games anyway, and there is also the UCD (Universal choice descriptor) that I don't use because with URM seems redundant but it shows what each choice does by reading the code. Well I may suggest this game to Mr Bubu in their thread do their usual awesome PDF walkthroughs if they aren't too busy already with the games they do walkthroughs for.
 
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In the first screenshot paths fork depending on if Evelyn is an LI or not and then... What the fuck is this and who the fuck is Anthony? Been some time since I played this game, loaded up a save and I get greeted with this. Doesn't matter if Evelyn is an LI or not in those choices, same text almost implying some shit happens between her and that other person who I can't remember for the life of me. Doesn't even have an entry in the character profiles screen. I got safe mode on too. It could be a woman? I have no way of knowing in game unless I restart. Can anyone answer please?
it's the dude that charges money in the girls toilets to give them an orgasm by touch (turns out later it's not an orgasm but whatever)
 
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it's the dude that charges money in the girls toilets to give them an orgasm by touch (turns out later it's not an orgasm but whatever)
Now that you mention it, I remember something like that, but what did Evelyn have to do with him though?
 

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Now that you mention it, I remember something like that, but what did Evelyn have to do with him though?
she went in so she could first find out what it's like, and second so she could get into the head of the guy and see what they are up to with the teacher that pimps him and Cat out
 
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