VN Ren'Py Origin Story [v0.8.2] [JDOR]

[Canto Forte]

It is hinted that Mother dearest knows about MC and her own powers herself, she a scientist actually researching this stuff, but said absolutely nothing ... which is doubly so for whomever is marketing a fighter: they need to keep their secret weapon, you know, hidden.

she has the healing factor that the public don't know about. In most brawls Ruth would have been the very clear obvious winner.

But odds are that someone must know. Like MC, he's keeping it hidden but more than 10 people know

So both fighters actually have secret other powers that are not advertised for the public who actually pay for the fights; nobody actually knows, outside of their trusted collaborators, which any fighter in a pay-for-brawl fight has. There you have it. In a world where SUPES JUST KILL PEOPLE WITH IMPUNITY AND EXTREME PREJUDICE, nobody would be stupid to tell anyone stupid shit like that.
Of course CONOR MCGREGOR'S TRAINER KNOWS HIS WEAK POINTS AND HIS MASTER MOVES, BUT HE IS NOT GOING TO ADVERTISE IT TO ANYONE, FBI, KGB OR HIS OPPONENT, NOW, IS HE ?!?

 

[S1nsational]

There's been lots of talk about whether or not MCs clones will have access to MCs powers. And that's all well and good.

But, a more interesting question I think is can MCs wolf use his powers? Honestly, probably not, BUT imagine she could!!

She is connected to but independent from MC, she has her own thought and feelings.
She's already powerful being a large wolf, but add in Ruths super-strength and healing and she'd be even more powerful.
Less practical but still cool would be Emeralds powers, like firing emerald blasts out of her mouth etc.
And once MC has Ghostravens powers of enhanced agility etc. our lovely wolf would have those too.

I vaguely recall someone in the thread musing about size changing powers, and say we did imagine having those and then our wolf being able to get big enough to ride on!!

 

[e6mill]

Less practical but still cool would be Emeralds powers, like firing emerald blasts out of her mouth etc.

 

[oieb]

In the literal sense, yes no one is unbeatable. In the figurative sense a great many people are.
This fight was thought to be a simple fight between two people with super-strength. Ruth is/was believed to have the superior degree of super-strength and she has the healing factor that the public don't know about. In most brawls Ruth would have been the very clear obvious winner.

Chokehold only entered the fighting world after the death of her sister. She entered into fighting specifically to eventually bait and fight and kill Ruth. If she's only been a fighter a few years, and has been only telling people about her super-strength there's good reason to think that next to no one knew the full extent of her powers. Those few people who knew everything would be difficult to track down and talk to.

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Difficult, yes, but that ain't reason to assume shit that might kill you. If the Sisterhood had been really worried about winning, they would've done a better job. Every successful team of crime fighters have a rule in the order of "Don't take anything for granted." That's why they're successful. The Sisters don't seem to live by that rule.
"Someone wants to kill MC? No biggie, we put Steel next to him and no one will try anything". Except that they did.
"A woman says she has a chance against Steel? No biggie, she's full of shit". Except she wasn't.
"No one can kill Ruth". Except those morons at the bar almost did.
"Could MC be a threat? In theory, but he's a sweet kid, he won't turn evil. Let's help him get more powers and join us, we'll be fine."
They never suspect faul play and they are overconfident, and that is dangerous. Often, the biggest threat is the one that doesn't look menacing enough. In the comic book New World's Order, the martians said: "Batman escaped, but it doesn't matter, he's only human and doesn't know what our weakness is." Well, he figured it out giving it some thought; and then he set the whole place on fire... Always bet on the Bat.
My point is that the Sisterhood must up their game. They're way more vulnerable than they think they are. And some fucking police work wouldn't hurt, either.

 

[Canto Forte]

In the comics and in the movies, every time that Batman accepts a direct fight with Bane, he gets crushed 10000000% of times. Period. Having a fight that you do not even lose, as you get bailed out by cheating assholes ( MC is not in control of his powers and nobody follows him, while Steel is, for doing that fight, a bully, shit for brains, aggressive and a knucklehead) because reasons, that is a shit story.

In the comic book New World's Order, the martians said: "Batman escaped, but it doesn't matter, he's only human and doesn't know what our weakness is."

Don't you bring up Batman's name in such a scenario. Like you said before, he has to lose the initial fight to actually learn from defeat and grow, not get bailed out by his cheating asshole friends and never ever learn anything ever.
Heck, even MC had to actually get killed, effectively destroyed, and feel his life pouring out, in order for things to turn around for him, and even then, the game handed him everything on a silver platter in no time flat.

They're way more vulnerable than they think they are. And some fucking police work wouldn't hurt, either.

They are not the police, they are not CSI - they have no concept of crime scenes or evidence or investigations, they never question anybody looking for answers, they just bruise people and expect answers with no investigative skills at all.
They play pretend to be sexy skimpy idol dolls for the tabloids and act like the enforcers for some gangster.

 

[S1nsational]

Difficult, yes, but that ain't reason to assume shit that might kill you. If the Sisterhood had been really worried about winning, they would've done a better job. Every successful team of crime fighters have a rule in the order of "Don't take anything for granted." That's why they're successful. The Sisters don't seem to live by that rule.
"Someone wants to kill MC? No biggie, we put Steel next to him and no one will try anything". Except that they did.
"A woman says she has a chance against Steel? No biggie, she's full of shit". Except she wasn't.
"No one can kill Ruth". Except those morons at the bar almost did.
"Could MC be a threat? In theory, but he's a sweet kid, he won't turn evil. Let's help him get more powers and join us, we'll be fine."
They never suspect faul play and they are overconfident, and that is dangerous. Often, the biggest threat is the one that doesn't look menacing enough. In the comic book New World's Order, the martians said: "Batman escaped, but it doesn't matter, he's only human and doesn't know what our weakness is." Well, he figured it out giving it some thought; and then he set the whole place on fire... Always bet on the Bat.
My point is that the Sisterhood must up their game. They're way more vulnerable than they think they are. And some fucking police work wouldn't hurt, either.

There's a difference between reasonable precautions and paranoia. Sometimes doing nothing is the reasonable precaution and doing anything is paranoia.

And lets be real, The Sisterhood by and large aren't a proper crime fighting team. They're cheerleaders who occasionally fight crime. That's why Georgia and some of the others have said they want to shift more towards actually being heros rather than models with superpowers. And yea they train to fight and all that, but it's not their bread and butter. They're going to have blindspots that they otherwise might not if they were mostly fighting crime etc.

Having Steel next to MC was both a deterrent and a defense if anyone actually did do anything. And yea he was attacked, multiple times, but every time he injected himself into that situation first. If he ignored all those situations, and I for one am glad he didn't, he wouldn't have been harmed. You simply can't protect people from themselves without taking extreme measures.
Yea, Chokehold wasn't full of shit, but it was infinitely more likely that she would be than she wouldn't be. Again, any reasonable precaution would have led to the same outcome. She only got into fighting after the death of her sister, and hid her full powers with the plan of killing Ruth. And even if they discovered that Chokehold was the sister of someone Ruth killed, that's no reason to assume she'd go for full on murder for revenge. You yourself keep going on about her sisters children and her relationship with them.That's a reasonable thing to question, and an argument again expecting murder even if expecting revenge.
There's a difference between being unbeatable in an expected situation, than against something you aren't expecting. Ruth wasn't expecting that guy to be able to shrink because anyone with that power are supposed to be exiled to a city specifically for those with that power. Are there other powers that could kill her, of course, but in this case she had no way of expecting or defending against this.
MC could get powers with or without The Sisterhood. Helping him, training him, and let him join actually goes a long way toward preventing him from going evil. The only alternative his for them to murder him by turning him over to the MTF. And make no mistake, it'd be murder. He's done nothing wrong. He might. But so might every single other powered person on the planet. Time for eugenics I guess, just murder every powered person on the planet, just to be sure they won't turn evil.

There's a difference between reasonable precautions and paranoia. Besides, we don't know what they're like on the job, and no I don't count shadowing MC or am arrange fight to be on the job. We've seen them actually active twice, and not the full thing either time. We get glimpses on the tv while they fight the giant, we get glimpses of them after they arrive while the tiger man is attacking us.

As for Batman, he's infamously paranoid, and still looses. The Joker kills one of his sons, so he kills The Joker breaking his own no killing rule. To say nothing of the fact that all character in any work have plot armor and plot weaknesses dictated by the needs of thew story and the whims of the writer writing it. Nothing Batman in all his paranoia can do if Supes goes evil and pushes the entire planet five feet closer to the sun killing all life on the planet.

And my point is The Sisterhood by and large aren't a proper crime fighting team. They're cheerleaders who occasionally fight crime. They don't do much of what you want of them because not their job. Their job is to look sexy and strong for the camera to make the government money. That's it. To the people who manage them they are replaceable, and are treated like it.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the incidences The Sisterhood are sent out to are staged in so far as they were allowed to happen. Take the escaped giant, it wouldn't be hard for those in power to create a convenient temporary opening for him to break through. Then they have a high profile event where their team swoop in and save the day while looking sexy. Money in the bank. All it cost was the life of one person with powers, and as we've all seen they're treated like dirt by the government. So to them it was probably pure profit.

 

[e6mill]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the incidences The Sisterhood are sent out to are staged

It was awfully convenient that they arrived in the nick of time to save MC's life from tigerboy...

 

[S1nsational]

It was awfully convenient that they arrived in the nick of time to save MC's life from tigerboy...

Would have sucked if they were late. Would have been a very short game.

But yea, both the tiger attack and The Sisterhood coming to the rescue were both planned. They wanted The Sisterhood to take MC in. But the real question is why?

The certainly know MCs power and how it works. But his power only triggered after he has sex for the first time. Which only happened after the attack and getting taken in. So how could they know MC enough to be able to plan the ambush but not enough to know he was still a virgin. And even if he wasn't, how would they know MC would end up having sex with members of the sisterhood.

Kinda makes you wonder if Georgia is secretly working for or with the "bad guys".

And what was the goal of having MC connected to The Sisterhood, their powers surely, but to what end? If they can control MC surely they could just as easily control all the sisters. And if the two groups are working at cross-purposes then MC getting "indoctrinated" by The Sisterhood is a large risk for little gain

 

[Canto Forte]

All is directly stated in the end of early updates where the invisible observing wench tells all: they bank on them experimenting on MC to find his power out and then overblow his capabilities, as they have been doing for years - we k now this by the way they treat the other captives. They keep MC to observe his evolution and to further their experimenting on him and everyone in their cells. It all started because they know supes are kept by them just like Luthor kept Superman in Gunn Superman - They are allowed to kill people or dissapear them with cover ups hiding all their mishaps or shortcomings.

The certainly know MCs power and how it works.

But yea, both the tiger attack and The Sisterhood coming to the rescue were both planned. They wanted The Sisterhood to take MC in. But the real question is why?

My suspicion points more

Parker could simply tell him and prop him up seriously, as she could cat fish girls and literally anyone she wanted for him, yet she kept herself and him a secret. She also could have directly given him up to them, as her controlling all those government facilities to release or loose inmates for a show, just to get MC laid is nuts and she is a scientist who does not do that. She could just give him pills directly, she can mix and match steroid cocktails and make him a top athlete or at least help him go get into sports or martial arts to integrate into the world, as he is living the bully's victim, the outcast's life all the time she sheltered him from reality.

 

[e6mill]

Kinda makes you wonder if Georgia is secretly working for or with the "bad guys".

My suspicion points more at Parker. I further suspect she has no evil agenda beyond the destruction of the MTF's tryanny.

 

[S1nsational]

My suspicion points more at Parker. I further suspect she has no evil agenda beyond the destruction of the MTF's tryanny.

I hope you're right

 

[anonnyscouse]

We know Parker has been collecting MC's semen and having it tested, so she likely already knew about MC's powers before he manifested. That also points to her being the only person who knew about them, so anyone else who knew would only be able to find out from her. We also know that it was the Scarlet Shadow who orchestrated the attack on MC, but with the intention of The Sisterhood taking him in and Moonsong seducing him, not with the intention of killing him.

So we have the adoptive mother figure and the supervillain seemingly working together to get MC involved with The Sisterhood, we know Parker is very much against the MTF and that The Sisterhood is aligned with the MTF, therefore logically Parker would be anti-Sisterhood. Being a supervillain you'd have to assume that the Scarlet Shadow is also anti-MTF and would be anti-Sisterhood regardless of their alignment. So the question is what's the plan of Parker and the Scarlet Shadow. If there's been rumours that The Sisterhood are unhappy with their current publicity focussed role then it's possible that Parker may be trying to use MC to split The Sisterhood from the MTF, if the most publicity friendly branch of the MTF breaks ranks and starts making public statements against it then it would move public opinion away from supporting the MTF. But you'd think that the Scarlet Shadow's plan would be more simple than Parker's, she's more likely to want to destroy The Sisterhood than just break them away from the MTF.

 

[e6mill]

That also points to her being the only person who knew about them, so anyone else who knew would only be able to find out from her.

Don't see how that follows.
Additionally, Parker runs a bio/genetics company and was buddies with MC's parents (to the point of knowing details about their sex life...)

 

[Elhemeer]

It was awfully convenient that they arrived in the nick of time to save MC's life from tigerboy...

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[Rehwyn]

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Their intel might also be at least in part from the bug Scarlet Shadow removes from MC's room.

 

[anonnyscouse]

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Their intel might also be at least in part from the bug Scarlet Shadow removes from MC's room.

The issue with that is that it would still be extremely short notice, if Riley had alcohol then they wouldn't have gone to the shop, and Riley gave MC details on where Lake's shop is in Riley's room not MC's room so unless MC randomly gave Ev precise details on where they were going when he told her they were going to the store then the bug wouldn't have helped locate them.

It's more likely the bug was to monitor MC in case he manifested before they expected it.

 

[Elhemeer]

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[bobbo69]

Shit, needs windows 10 to run

 

[Double0Harambe]

It was awfully convenient that they arrived in the nick of time to save MC's life from tigerboy...

from what i understood there was a bug in his room that knew exactly where he was going for that tiger to be there and was sent by the folks listening to said bug. scarlet shadow was seen collecting said bug as to not leave a trace linking it to anyone and at the end of ch8 we learn

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so seems this it wasn't so much convenient as it was purposeful. sisterhood said someone called in tiger guy roaming around which isn't entirely uncommon but for some odd reason the powers that be decided the sisterhood should handle THIS encounter but not the one where kyle accidently kills a bully where there was a casualty. to make the web of intrigue bigger we know scarlet shadow was working for helena, MC's aunt and sister to his mother. parker ALSO having a bug and gives it to MC might be to throw us off and make her a red herring since shes easily so fucking sus

 

[oieb]

In the comics and in the movies, every time that Batman accepts a direct fight with Bane, he gets crushed 10000000% of times. Period. Having a fight that you do not even lose, as you get bailed out by cheating assholes ( MC is not in control of his powers and nobody follows him, while Steel is, for doing that fight, a bully, shit for brains, aggressive and a knucklehead) because reasons, that is a shit story.

Don't you bring up Batman's name in such a scenario. Like you said before, he has to lose the initial fight to actually learn from defeat and grow, not get bailed out by his cheating asshole friends and never ever learn anything ever.
Heck, even MC had to actually get killed, effectively destroyed, and feel his life pouring out, in order for things to turn around for him, and even then, the game handed him everything on a silver platter in no time flat.

They are not the police, they are not CSI - they have no concept of crime scenes or evidence or investigations, they never question anybody looking for answers, they just bruise people and expect answers with no investigative skills at all.
They play pretend to be sexy skimpy idol dolls for the tabloids and act like the enforcers for some gangster.

You missed my point. I brought up Batman because I was trying to prove that you shouldn't wave away ANY potential threat, no matter how insignificant it seems. Never said he's always gonna win, especially if he had no time to plan something out. On a second note, Bruce doesn't always lose against Bane; actually, he tends to win. But that's another topic.

I'll explain my position one last time, and I'll drop it.

My point is that the sisters made 4 mistakes that would be OK if they were rookies, but they're supposed to be pros.

1. Judgment mistake: If your champion must win a fight, you want her focused. Making her fight while guarding a dude is a bad idea; it might be distracting, and had there been a real threat against Jack, then what? Did they think her opponent was gonna say "Go save him, I totally get it"? Unlikely; she would've kept throwing punches, making Ruth lose valuable time, and in any case, Ruth would've had to leave the fight and face the consequences.

2. Tactical mistake: You gotta guard a dude, you don't put them in the spotlight surrounded by hundreds of strangers, where a hitman could hide easily. If you must do it, you disguise him; you don't make him walk the red carpet. If you must do it, you GUARD him, a real guard, not one person who's doing other stuff. You put one guard to watch him all the time, a couple more in the crowd, people guarding the exit, and a tech guy surveilling. Or you can leave him in a safe house.

3. Not learning from the past: Last time MC was in a public space and Ruth turned her back for a sec, someone almost killed him. Why did they think it was a good idea to put him in a public space with a guard that was gonna have to spend more time watching her opponent than she was watching him?

4. Columbus' rule 52 (or Gibbs' rule 28): Superhero teams train for many reasons; they learn to control their powers, but also they learn to think on their feet, build trust, etc. Why? Because shit happens. So they must adapt; if they can't, they lean on their partners. Ruth simply had to call Todd to get help. Shocked, confused, sad, hurt—it doesn't matter. After doing this for some time and all the training, it should've been a reflex answer when she realized she couldn't do anything. Rule 52 may be a blow to your ego, and not the most glamorous way out, but you should ask Albuquerque and Flagstaff what happens when you ignore it.

About police work: it is wise to try to find out stuff, or anyone (especially suits) will lie to you. Take the MTF; they're corrupt and violent as fuck, they don't even try to hide it, but the sisters know nothing and are being played, I think. But Inferno said some stuff about camps and shit. Prudence advises to look if there is some truth in her talking. If they don't, they become their weapons. That's why famous supers do some sort of digging on a regular basis.

You know, no offense, but I find kinda funny how you guys try to defend the sisters. I get it, you like them, I like them too, but I think that they act more like rookies than pros.

I rest my case.