VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[desmosome]

Or she simply is making a joke about it. It's hardly uncommon for people to make fun of the lovey-dovey shit people in relationship go on about, along exactly these lines, that it makes them wanna throw up, without any malice behind it.

It's the delivery. Normally, if someone is making a joke, they would be smiling instead of deadpan. Yes, deadpan delivery is a thing, but Ivy doesn't seem like a person who has that style of humor. By itself, it might be nothing, but putting everything together, it does lead to a possibility that she is a bad actor that has orchestrated some of the shit happening in the story. For example, isn't it a possibility that she had some deal with Axel to get him closer to Lena in exchange for the Wildcats thing? Of course, it could also turn out to be nothing sinister like that.

But Ivy is not a good person whichever way you slice it. I say that most characters are multifaceted with good and bad qualities, but if I try to name a good quality of Ivy as a friend (like in real life and not a porn game), I can't really find it.

At best, she is a materialistic onlyfans thot that tries very insistently to shape her friends into adapting her values. At worst, she is a manipulative "queen bitch" that likes to play around with other people. In all likelihood, it will be somewhere in between, but the starting position of those two endpoints are quite skewed towards the negative side.

 

[jduk]

I don't give a fuck if Alison baby traps me. I'll make her pump out 6 more in 2 years.

Real man, breed that cow

 

[Delabate]

Real man, breed that cow

I'm pretty sure before that an event will involve Perry for another threesome or voyeur fetich

 

[ffive]

But Ivy is not a good person whichever way you slice it. I say that most characters are multifaceted with good and bad qualities, but if I try to name a good quality of Ivy as a friend (like in real life and not a porn game), I can't really find it.

Ivy is generally good friend for Lena if you accept her motives, as she describes them, as true -- she has Lena's back (she won't tell Axel where Lena lives, e.g. because Lena has asked her not to), offers Lena advice which she thinks is the best in her situation (the actual quality of said advice is debatable, but it fits Ivy's personality and beliefs) She respects Lena's choices -- she won't try to push again drugs on Lena who refused them once. She respects Lena's decisions, too -- it'd be very easy for Ivy to wreck Lena/Ian relationship e.g., simply by revealing to Ian that Lena fucked Axel. But she keeps Lena's secret instead, despite your belief she hates seeing these two together.

While i agree that the writing does leave possibility of Ivy acting suspiciously, this is, like you note yourself, only a possibility with the alternative that Ivy isn't actually a bad actor. As such, i disagree with the statement that Ivy isn't a good person "whichever way to slice it" -- it requires slicing it in certain way to view Ivy as a bad person. If you slice it the other way, treating what Ivy states to be her motives as truth, then she can absolutely be viewed as a decent person.

 

[desmosome]

Ivy is generally good friend for Lena if you accept her motives, as she describes them, as true -- she has Lena's back (she won't tell Axel where Lena lives, e.g. because Lena has asked her not to), offers Lena advice which she thinks is the best in her situation (the actual quality of said advice is debatable, but it fits Ivy's personality and beliefs) She respects Lena's choices -- she won't try to push again drugs on Lena who refused them once. She respects Lena's decisions, too -- it'd be very easy for Ivy to wreck Lena/Ian relationship e.g., simply by revealing to Ian that Lena fucked Axel. But she keeps Lena's secret instead, despite your belief she hates seeing these two together.

While i agree that the writing does leave possibility of Ivy acting suspiciously, this is, like you note yourself, only a possibility with the alternative that Ivy isn't actually a bad actor. As such, i disagree with the statement that Ivy isn't a good person "whichever way to slice it" -- it requires slicing it in certain way to view Ivy as a bad person. If you slice it the other way, treating what Ivy states to be her motives as truth, then she can absolutely be viewed as a decent person.

Fair enogh. I really want to find out what she's all about lol. We are almost there!

 

[Turret]

So, I went to sleep, woke up and people are still talking about Alison

I still dont understand whats the issue, she is acting somewhat rationally, even more than most females would in the same situation.
She didnt try to sabotage Ian fucking with Cherry, Emma or Lena.
Nobody's car got keyed or other property was destroyed.
No pets were put in a microwave and no death threats.

Again, Alison is an ok woman who got an itch after a break-up with a guy like Milo and probably she got some serious sexual frustration to take care of. Why would she wait for Ian to make his move when Jeremy is an easy option.

Well, the whole thread has a serious Gen Z vibe for a long time now. The discussion about Alison and the blinkerwearing users ganging up on her and the users defending Alison is very much the proof of this.
Alison is single, so her fooling around (esp. after being with a Knallcharge like Milo) is absolutely just her decision and done only if Ian, her crush, does not get the hints she is waving like fencepoles! Nobody is hurt by this.

But a sizable number of users here are totally enarmored with Cindy, who becomes a cheater if anything interesting happens. That is facepalm worthy!

 

[MF_DOOM]

She respects Lena's choices -- she won't try to push again drugs on Lena who refused them once.

I would say she is a shitty friend for offering her friend Molly, but thats just me.

 

[ffive]

I would say she is a shitty friend for offering her friend Molly, but thats just me.

By this logic you could call Emma a shitty friend for offering Ian drugs, too.

 

[MF_DOOM]

By this logic you could call Emma a shitty friend for offering Ian drugs, too.

Emma is worse because she is offering a shitty designer drugs to her friends like some cheap-ass crack whore that belongs to the streets.

 

[fatpussy123]

By this logic you could call Emma a shitty friend for offering Ian drugs, too.

Might be different people to people, but to me there's a big difference between offering drugs at the club(especially when it happens more than once) vs offering them at home surrounded by friends. Not saying I think Ivy is a bad person for offering them, just that I see Emma's case as much safer, even if the drugs she's offering are stronger.

 

[Canto Forte]

This game has the worst tropes in friends w/o benefits department.

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[MF_DOOM]

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Oh yeah, most characters in this game are shitty people.
Perry is a cheap lazy drunk with no filter on his mouth.
Dave is just lazy.
Jeremy can't control his pipi like some kind of animal.
Emma is a fat, vegan, crack head communist.
Alison can't cook and does despicable things to pasta.
Cindy is a dumb selfish cheap cunt.

And those are just Ian's friends.

 

[ffive]

Might be different people to people, but to me there's a big difference between offering drugs at the club(especially when it happens more than once) vs offering them at home surrounded by friends.

Leaving aside it doesn't happen more than once if you don't take it the first time (the second time Ivy takes the drugs she makes it a point she won't offer them to Lena who previously rejected the offer, and you need to burn will point to get them) i'm not really sure about it -- at the club there's also more people who can potentially notice something is wrong and help (including the club security) while at home these friends you're surrounded with can be very well stoned out of their minds themselves and unable to offer any assistance.

 

[Canto Forte]

NOBODY can help a hottie overdosed in the womens room.
Jeremy will sooner molest her and take pictures than help.
Axel would deffinitely take pics.
Nobody would wanna have it become known, the establishment would close.
Did you not listen to the songs of bitter pimp rappers/pop stars blaming everything on the girls?

at the club there's also more people who can potentially notice something is wrong and help (including the club security) while at home these friends you're surrounded with can be very well stoned out of their minds themselves and unable to offer any assistance.

At home, there are all kinds of people who migth want to engage in vigilantism or heroics.
At the club they would rather see you dead and take pictures.

 

[fatpussy123]

Leaving aside it doesn't happen more than once if you don't take it the first time (the second time Ivy takes the drugs she makes it a point she won't offer them to Lena who previously rejected the offer, and you need to burn will point to get them) i'm not really sure about it -- at the club there's also more people who can potentially notice something is wrong and help (including the club security) while at home these friends you're surrounded with can be very well stoned out of their minds themselves and unable to offer any assistance.

Well that's where it becomes more about what the drugs being taken are. Ivy offers molly, the effects are less obvious, but I'd argue makes it very likely to be taken advantage of at a club/bar setting. Emma's drug is called ORS and I'm pretty sure is made up for the game, but it's clearly inspired by DMT. The duration of the trip, being about 30min considering that when Ian comes out its still the same day and the actual hallucinations make me think that. Also Perry says he'll watch Ian before taking and when ian comes out Emma says Perry was worried so she's there, to me implying he didn't take it.

 

[jackypetersy89]

Oh yeah, most characters in this game are shitty people.
Perry is a cheap lazy drunk with no filter on his mouth.
Dave is just lazy.
Jeremy can't control his pipi like some kind of animal.
Emma is a fat, vegan, crack head communist.
Alison can't cook and does despicable things to pasta.
Cindy is a dumb selfish cheap cunt.

And those are just Ian's friends.

Tell us how you really feel. Who hurt you?

This reads like someone with 0 IRL friends.

Ive met people almost EXACTLY like each of these characters. They arent even exagerated IMO.

Sure they arent the best people but unless you run with a crowd that is literally levitating above the rest of us yeah these are normal folks. They have their good qualities and their bad. Thats life

 

[fatpussy123]

Tell us how you really feel. Who hurt you?

This reads like someone with 0 IRL friends.

Ive met people almost EXACTLY like each of these characters. They arent even exagerated IMO.

Sure they arent the best people but unless you run with a crowd that is literally levitating above the rest of us yeah these are normal folks. They have their good qualities and their bad. Thats life

I would say their looks are exagerrated cuz its a porn game, but personality wise I could match so many people to them.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I would say she is a shitty friend for offering her friend Molly, but thats just me.

Emma is worse because she is offering a shitty designer drugs to her friends like some cheap-ass crack whore that belongs to the streets.

Come on dude, you said yourself that we do things a thousand times worse in other games and people are hypocritical for judging characters or MC in AVNs for much smaller sins, and here is some Molly and a smoking mixture that allows you to open your mind and look at the world with different eyes.

Just relax and smoke some weed in the game, no big deal.

 

[Canto Forte]

This speaks volumes for the success of this game .. you get to stick it to them
in this game, as Ian and Lena ... so enjoy your power trip ... tripping your horrible friends.

They have their good qualities and their bad. Thats life

I could match so many people to them.

allows you to open your mind and look at the world with different eyes

For sure .. pecisely as Elon is doing ...
1-Under constant supervision, 2-on tape, 3-on air, 4-with medical caretakers at the ready.
Game oN!

 

[MF_DOOM]

Come on dude, you said yourself that we do things a thousand times worse in other games and people are hypocritical for judging characters or MC in AVNs for much smaller sins, and here is some Molly and a smoking mixture that allows you to open your mind and look at the world with different eyes.

Just relax and smoke some weed in the game, no big deal.

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I wasnt talking about weed, I am talking about some shitty designer drug Emma offered to Ian and Perry like some crack head.