It could be looked at one of two ways either the choices a player makes reverberates both forward and backward in time for the character or all choice is an illusion and a particular past means that the character will always take a particular path forward. I'm pretty sure a deep philosophical discussion on the nature of free will is the point of the game so Eva should be happy.
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Go outside, throw a rock into a crowd, and you'll probably find any number of people who's insecurities are stronger than their love for their partner. You'll probably also hit any number of people who have also reasoned themselves into doing the dumbest things possible. A lot of relationships end from self-sabotage, whether intentional or unintentional, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time that someone inexperienced and insecure fell into the wrong crowd, took the wrong advice and ended up making a mistake.
Because sure, it could push her towards the sharing route, but that's not the only reaction that an insecure person could possibly have. And to be clear, I didn't suggest that this was something she should come up with on her own, but something that should be influenced by corrupting Holly through a slutty Lena and Ivy. Like I said above, wrong crowd, bad advice. No matter how many books she's read, she doesn't have the real life experience to back it up and Ivy and Lena clearly have a lot of experience. It's not hard to fall into the mind trap of thinking they might know more about this than she does, even if they're corrupting her for their own enjoyment, rather than thinking of her or Ian's well-being.
If Holly is going to be this mary sue character who can do no wrong, who always makes good decisions, even if she's surrounded herself with people making bad decisions and trying to influence her, that's boring and not realistic either. Having a boyfriend shouldn't make her suddenly impervious to manipulation and corruption.
But I've already made my peace with the fact that it was a glitch and it's not a path that Eva seems to want to explore. It's disappointing because it's an interesting way to add corruption and have the decisions of the player on both Ian and Lena's paths come together to have an effect, but it is what it is, and there's plenty of other paths in the game that I'll enjoy with or without it.
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Yes! this was exactly what struck in my mind (Dream sequence Good/Bad Jess). Also notice how story changes(Jess's boyfriend/girlfriend) according to Lena's decision about working with Seymour.
I really liked this kinda story progression. This alone shows us how EK thinks about her story and characters and how diverse her writing is.
It's hardly the case. Holly can currently have a crush on an absolute piece of shit of a guy, to the point she invites him on a trip with her, lets him fuck her three ways to Sunday, then gets dumped the next morning without even as much as a thank you. It'd be a tall order to paint that as a good decision.
Holly can also be in exclusive relationship with a pretty great guy, and still lust after her friend to the point of getting romantic with her and confusing the hell out of herself over what it is that she really wants. Again, hardly good move making.
- Apr 12, 2018
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Well, I was talking about the route where Ian is good to her, and Lena is manipulative. What I'm trying to say is that in that path, it doesn't seem like Lena/the player is able to have any influence over her. That's why I included the latter line in the paragraph
-Ian can be a dick to her, retroactively making her crush and decision to sleep with him a bad decision.
-Ian and Lena can be romantic to her, leading to the sharing path.
-Ian can also be solely romantic to her.
-Lena can be friendly to her without being romantic.
However, on a path of Ian being good to her, and Lena being slutty/manipulative, Holly seems to default to the Ian solo romantic path. If you follow that story with those decision factors, I think she ends up looking kind of faultless and it's a boring route to play, since Ivy and Lena's influence seems restricted, when having a insecure girl take bad advice from friends isn't a huge leap for the story to realistically take.
I get that it'd be more work but it seems like a natural fit for the game, given the dual perspectives, and factoring in the different player choices. It's just something I would have liked to see included in the story progression, but like I said, I accept that it's not happening.
- Jul 5, 2022
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This sounds like something either Ian will hallucinate about when doing drugs, or Seymour will have a pompous quasi-intellectual monologue about while he's trying to get Lena to orgasm using his collection of sex toys
- Oct 29, 2017
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Nah nah nah... Holly is the mastermind in all this.
Holly kinda gets the vibe that Lena is into Ian right? And Ian is into both Holly herself and Lena. SO... She plays the innocent type, takes lessons from both Ivy and Lena with her going to pole dancing to shape herself up and her confidence, then makes the power move of making kissy faces with Lena while she is in a relationship with Ian, setting up Lena and Ian talking about Holly and ultimately the talk of talks, the trinity of trinities.
- Oct 29, 2017
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Considering how Mike doesn't add anything to the story other than a sex toy for Lena to possibly ride and force the guy to cheat on his girl, who will likely end up cutting off his dick and leaving him to die, resulting in Lena going into witness protection and leaving town to head into the States or the UK...
Pretty much a landslide if ya ask me.
Hmm ok i kind of get the complaint, but then on the other hand one could argue that Holly simply falling under influence of Lena/Ivy even if she's in relationship with Ian ignores the agency Ian (as the other MC) has in this setup. That she doesn't can be boring for some players, but on the other hand it can be source of satisfaction for another group of players, that they can actually have a vanilla relationship with a girl that doesn't end up with her getting "turned into a slut" and cheating on their male MC, despite her friends trying to mess things up.
You can say this is a boring route, but then having everything to follow the same trajectory can be viewed just as boring, too, and an exception from it shakes things up. Depending who you ask.
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He’s a branch in the story. It’s a life sim and fuck buddies exist irl. Also, it’s a sex game, and sexual flavours to the story is kind of the main point of playing this.
Also, by “Mike harem route” I meant his girlfriend being included lol. Not excluded in all of this.
- Oct 29, 2017
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Here is the question that needs answering:
When doe Ian join OFs and collabs with Lena, Ivy, and other gals? Bro would rack in so much dough.
When doe Ian join OFs and collabs with Lena, Ivy, and other gals? Bro would rack in so much dough.
- Oct 10, 2022
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Never, I don't think internet can handle the chadness of my Ian.
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- Oct 29, 2017
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Possibly. Then again, Lena might get a little jealous, even if they agreed to an open relationship or are simply fuck buddies.Never, I don't think internet cannot handle the chadness of my Ian.
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What kind of valuable relationship experience do Ivy and Lena have that Holly doesn't? Ivy despises relationships outright and she can't give a rat's ass about mentoring Holly how to be a better girlfriend, only a better sexual partner (and only by being a slut). And Lena, if she's not dating Ian, is in the same boat and her boyfriend cheated on her so she doesn't know how to build a successful relationship either. Their advice regarding relationships means nothing to Holly. They can only help her feel confident and attractive if that's what Holly needs above anything. But for now that's not Holly's priority if she's with Ian. She simply wants Ian to love her and consider her as a serious romantic partner. She doesn't even have problems satisfying him in bed anymore.
I'm not saying that Holly is impervious to corruption. But her satisfaction with her current situation is what determines her resistance or vulnerability to it. That's how all people's minds work. We can't be bothered to do something without incentive (or strong intrinsic motivation). She might want to change if Ian acts cold towards her or doesn't reciprocate her feelings fully (which includes him fucking other chicks) or if Holly simply falls in love with Lena. That doesn't make Holly Mary Sue, it simply means that she prioritises some things over others. She's a people pleaser. Even her corruption is explained by her desire to impress Lena or Ivy. Lena and Ivy can corrupt Holly if Ian rejected her advances, making her feel inadequate. If he shuts her off while they're together, she might start feeling like this again and be more open to Lena's or Ivy's influence.
Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances. This way she already is open to having multiple sex partners and can prioritize Ivy's advice above anything else, even if she becomes Ian's girlfriend in the future. Same outcome, no?
You're saying about the decisions as BOTH Ian and Lena. If so, why should Lena's agency be prioritized over Ian's exactly? Why should she have the power to constantly undo or sabotage Ian's decisions, but not vice versa? They're both main characters and should have equal agency. If you want to NTR Ian, don't make him act like the best boyfriend on the planet. Holly is very easy to impress and keep satisfied.
And just because she can't cheat while in a happy relationship with Ian doesn't mean she won't be corrupted. She can already pose for nude photo shoots for Lena, maybe she can be persuaded to start a Stalkfap to combat her shyness, and Ian, if he's a voyeur, could support this idea and encourage Holly to work on her confidence even if it ends up biting him in the ass (making Holly too excited and eager to try new things). I say just be more patient and wait for the story to be developed further so that we could have more opportunities to not only sabotage the current relationships but also make them more exciting.
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- Jul 11, 2017
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My man, wait for the "final" chapter 11 version. I bet you when you get this beta version, you'll be screaming for a final the second it gets release. Just wait. I too want to jerk off mobile-ly but only when its finish. You don't wanna download/install/uninstall/repeat EVERY apk for every little version.