VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

Ian presumably has two big income spikes coming up shortly though, much like Lena did if she commits to Seymour's path. Winning the tournament, and his promotion at Heirophant.

Was it actually said at any point this amateur tournament is supposed to come with any rewards, that aren't at best a trophy and an energetic handshake? Since EK said this whole subquest was purely optional, i feel doubt it's going to bring anything that'd considerably skew the balance of things in the long run -- if Ian had to participate and do well in order to afford things down the road then it'd make things quite far from optional. So i don't see this resulting in any big income spike.

The promotion is similarly not something i'd bank much on. It's still a relatively low level job, and it might come with something like +1 salary increase (or maybe slightly higher, but that's getting counter-balanced by high rents if Ian is serious about moving out and getting his own place) and nowhere near what one can get paid to prance around naked and stick vibrators in one's orifices for exclusive amusement of a rich old pervert.

 

[ffive]

The world is big enough for:

1. Bachelorette parties,
2. Hotwifes,
3. Cougars,
4. Sugar Mommy,
5. Being a Male Stripper

and many other things which I don't know.

Yes, but it's also big enough to host many men who are both better looking and more determined to make something out of this kind of career. I didn't say Ian wouldn't get any attention. But he would be against strong competition and he isn't on Lena's level, looks-wise, something he and all his friends acknowledge.

 

[SerHawkes]

Was it actually said at any point this amateur tournament is supposed to come with any rewards, that aren't at best a trophy and an energetic handshake? Since EK said this whole subquest was purely optional, i feel doubt it's going to bring anything that'd considerably skew the balance of things in the long run -- if Ian had to participate and do well in order to afford things down the road then it'd make things quite far from optional. So i don't see this resulting in any big income spike.

The promotion is similarly not something i'd bank much on. It's still a relatively low level job, and it might come with something like +1 salary increase (or maybe slightly hither, but that's getting counter-balanced by high rents if Ian is serious about moving out and getting his own place) and nowhere near what one can get paid to prance around naked and stick vibrators in one's orifices for exclusive amusement of a rich old pervert.

Lets look at it this way...

Lena's spendings-
Family* Even though all that money gets sent to our unmet fuckhead of a brother.
Rent* Which we have to possibly cover for Louise being a cheapass bitchy cunt or force Simptardville Stan to pay.
Clothing* Gotta look your best and all, makes sense
Sex Toys* Spice up your sex life yo!
Tattoo* Entirely optional, but still look hella good.

Ian's Spending-
Cindy's one time drink
Rent* Because we have to or else Perry goes REEE.
Clothing* Gotta look our best eventually for our lovely date with Ivy naturally.
Stalkfap* Gotta support our besties. No shame in that.

Thats literally it. So, while in practice, Lena has much more options to spend money on and be possibly in the black, Ian though, doesn't really have a lot of options to spend his hard earned cash yet has atleast some money on hand. Yet Ian's supposed to have the option to get tattoos. Yet to have that be applied, even if that happens. Though I get the feeling that will be scrapped over to time constrants and be replaced with more shitty unwanted content.

So if Ian wanted to, humorously, do a Stalkfap, I can totally see some chicks, and probably some guys, maybe shilling out cash on him. He's got some things going for him, specially if he invests in going to the Gym.

 

[SerHawkes]

Yes, but it's also big enough to host many men who are both better looking and more determined to make something out of this kind of career. I didn't say Ian wouldn't get any attention. But he would be against strong competition and he isn't on Lena's level, looks-wise, something he and all his friends acknowledge.

I'd disagree. Sure, he would have some competition, but it would depends on pathing. If Ian didn't invent in the Gym, for sure, he'd have little to no luck. Flip side though, I'd say it would be semi even in the competiton scale.

 

[ExtremeLips]

Ian is controlled by the user. He is what you make him, that's the point of the game. Ian is not a "loser" unless you make him one

 

[Sethmsf]

Was it actually said at any point this amateur tournament is supposed to come with any rewards, that aren't at best a trophy and an energetic handshake? Since EK said this whole subquest was purely optional, i feel doubt it's going to bring anything that'd considerably skew the balance of things in the long run -- if Ian had to participate and do well in order to afford things down the road then it'd make things quite far from optional. So i don't see this resulting in any big income spike.

The promotion is similarly not something i'd bank much on. It's still a relatively low level job, and it might come with something like +1 salary increase (or maybe slightly higher, but that's getting counter-balanced by high rents if Ian is serious about moving out and getting his own place) and nowhere near what one can get paid to prance around naked and stick vibrators in one's orifices for exclusive amusement of a rich old pervert.

I have a feeling that promotion at work, if it brings a raise in salary, will automatically cause Ian to decline the family stipend. Regarding financial prizes, as far as I know, only the literary contest includes one for sure, we don't know anything about the amateur tournament.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I don't know, that's your specialty, not mine, plus Holly is in love with Ian and for me she is a better option than Lena for Ian's couple, I prefer to see Lena being disciplined by Seymour and see how far she goes

Lena belongs to Stan or Seymour.
Holly belongs to Robert or Stan or Mark,etc.
Ivy belongs in the streets.

 

[Leongen43]

Lena belongs to Stan or Seymour.
Holly belongs to Robert or Stan or Mark,etc.
Ivy belongs in the streets.

Lena and Holly will be your decision which path they will follow and in the case of Ivy for me she is a beautiful and independent woman who may be able to establish a relationship with Ian, but if you are right about Ivy do you think she would accept discount coupons from the supermarket for sex?
I ask because it seems some members don't have much money with Ian

 

[Blurpee69]

Don't forget if Ian doesn't make it through Seymour due to Lena's ignorance to him, there is still the guy from the book fair who offered him a job and also a way to promote his book through independent magazine that not in control of Seymour, Seymour just thinks himself powerfull, but guys who take to much power eventualy fall down and lose everything, because upsetting to many common folks works against you.

I remember, but that path is only available if romancing Holly I believe. Or, at the very least went on that trip with her.

 

[Sethmsf]

I remember, but that path is only available if romancing Holly I believe. Or, at the very least went on that trip with her.

No, you can go on a trip with Holly without there being romance, in my canon game I have it like that and they are just friends, you can go on a trip without romance just like you can go to Wade's birthday without romance with Cindy

On the other hand, even if you don't go on the trip, Víctor contacts you by phone and you collaborate on the magazine anyway, whether you have exchanged books with Holly or have done an honest review

 

[2016er]

If there will be no ian ivy content ever im sure someone will commit some nasty step ,someone who was also banned from off. server for abusing mods on pirate site lol

The virgin ivy worshipper get banned?

 

[2016er]

Yes there is, but EvaKiss was not interested in doing it, that's why Lena has many more options than Ian in the story, that's why I always have the feeling that Lena is the protagonist and Ian is a sub-protagonist in the story, not even the tattoos, it would be seen male with a tattoo of two cherubs on his nipples?

Women usually spend lots of money on trivial stuff anyway ,tattoo, newer clothes for each season, new shoes, financial "liberation" of women that's why a big startegic victory for consumerism.
Don't know it's intentional or not but the game gets it right (if you consider Lena and Ian are average middle class young adult)

 

[2016er]

Ian in my game has literally 2 coins in his pocket, and this is only because he won the pool game bet early on and didn't give up on the stipend from dad.If he did, he'd be very much broke right now. So, no, i can't say i share this view that he is "always swimming in cash", it definitely doesn't feel like it.

For the record, Ian's options to spend money:

* paying for drinks during date with Cindy in Ch.3 ($1)
* bribing the bouncer in Ch.5 ($1)
* trip with Alison in Ch.9 ($2)
* footing the bill during date with Alison in Ch.9 ($1)
* clothes in Ch.9-10 ($1 per outfit, up to $4 total)
* access to Lena's Stalkfap Pro in Ch.10 ($1)
* good wine for Alison date in Ch.10 ($1)
* trying to pay for sex with bad Jess in Ch.10 ($1)
* tournament fee in Ch.11 ($1)

Well, I played the game till Ch.10 and my canon Ian chapter ends with 6 coin.

>I understand that as I haven't taken Alison path, I saved like 4+ coins.
>Didn't subscribed to Lena's stalkfap either.
>Avoided Bad Jessica as well.
>I also didn't remember bribing the bouncer.

Probably only spent money on Cindy's drink.
And purchase only 2 clothes so save 2 coins there as well.

Although, I refuses to take any more financial help from father after upgrading the job, which cost me some money.

 

[Leongen43]

Women usually spend lots of money on trivial stuff anyway ,tattoo, newer clothes for each season, new shoes, financial "liberation" of women that's why a big startegic victory for consumerism.
Don't know it's intentional or not but the game gets it right (if you consider Lena and Ian are average middle class young adult)

One piece of advice: never tell a woman that her expenses are trivial because if you do you better run for your life . Besides, nowadays men also have these types of expenses and I know it because I have them, if you want her to like you. For women, it is always useful for you to make an investment in yourself to improve your appearance and for them to notice you, because the first thing they are going to see is your exterior and if you are lucky, your interior and if you are luckier your bed or the part behind your car whichever comes first

 

[2016er]

One piece of advice: never tell a woman that her expenses are trivial because if you do you better run for your life . Besides, nowadays men also have these types of expenses and I know it because I have them, if you want her to like you. For women, it is always useful for you to make an investment in yourself to improve your appearance and for them to notice you, because the first thing they are going to see is your exterior and if you are lucky, your interior and if you are luckier, your bed or the part behind your car whichever comes first

I also believe lifestyle difference is a reason between spending imparity between Ian and Lena in this story.
Ian is a very average officer worker, realistically where should he spend money? His wit is much more important asset with which he could overcome his competitors.

Lena meanwhile trying to get money by her sexual appeal that's why she needs hotter dress, tattoos, sex toys etc etc to one up her competitors.

Has Ian have a different background, let say he is from a broken family or like he is a member of biker gang where he is under constant peer pressure to have new tattoos, new leather jacket to match the trend...then the things would be different

 

[2016er]

Honestly good question. I feel like Ian is always swimming in cash, because he has far less to spend money on. Like Lena has Tattoos, Navel Piercing, Sex Toys, Clothes, very expensive clothes, a gift for Ivy, sending money to parents, and rent.

Ian has... Rent? Clothes in chapter 6, his summer outfit is free, and then the fighting tournament and pool he can win money on. So fireworks in Chapter 12 prologue is like his first frivolous spending; I guess wine for Allison, or drinks for Cindy, but those are only on two specific routes, not just generally.

I wish There was an option where if Ian saves enough, he could move to a different apartment of his own, so that he can bang Cindy behind Wade's back how much he want without fearing of getting caught by Perry.

 

[Gicoo]

Lena meanwhile trying to get money by her sexual appeal that's why she needs hotter dress, tattoos, sex toys etc etc to one up her competitors.

No guy in this game refuses Lena. She can get everyone without any effort (closest restriction is if she has low lust, so she needs to convince herself rather than the guy). Outfits, the posh set and tatoos may get a compliment here and there, but are worthless in the grand scheme of things, Lena doesn't miss out any male content. There is no competition, Lena never misses out on a man because she didn't spend enough money on herself. It would be entirely in the hand of the player if Ian choses another woman over her.
The one who has to win the other sex over is Ian, he needs to pick the right answers, dress up and spend money.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Lena and Holly will be your decision which path they will follow and in the case of Ivy for me she is a beautiful and independent woman who may be able to establish a relationship with Ian, but if you are right about Ivy do you think she would accept discount coupons from the supermarket for sex?
I ask because it seems some members don't have much money with Ian

You cracked the code,the reason Ivy and Ian never had sex is because he never offered some Walmart discount coupons.

 

[Xupuzulla]

No guy in this game refuses Lena. She can get everyone without any effort (closest restriction is if she has low lust, so she needs to convince herself rather than the guy). Outfits, the posh set and tatoos may get a compliment here and there, but are worthless in the grand scheme of things, Lena doesn't miss out any male content. There is no competition, Lena never misses out on a man because she didn't spend enough money on herself. It would be entirely in the hand of the player if Ian choses another woman over her.
The one who has to win the other sex over is Ian, he needs to pick the right answers, dress up and spend money.

Wow is almost like to have a chad Ian you have to bullshit your way in to the game with tricks and save scumming.
How many of you struggled with the tourney mini game?
Ian is a loser simp cuck,thats the canon route,every other route is a fever dream.

 

[Gicoo]

It makes sense that Lena has more customisation over Ian, women dress up more and it's more fun to dress them up for the mayority of the players. GGGB proved it and in Lena's case it just does it again successfully.

The issue is that the money system is largely wasted on Ian. He only needs it for rent and presents. The former is no issue as of now, the latter could be utilized much more often. By contrast, Lena works constantly in different places with different people (restaurant, cafe, modeling, art, stalkfap, Seymour, bar, music, later on Mike and Billy) and her payment is linked with the plot and character progression. Ian has the two big projects that likely give him once a boon (tournament, book), his main job is never in trouble (it should have been after chapter 9 Seymour, but that turned out to be a dud).

Just as with everything, the Lena content is given more attention than the Ian content and it just gets worse if nothing changes.