Leongen43

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Lena was in love with Axel and maybe a part of her still is, that must be one of the reasons why she didn't see all those red flags around him that said in capital letters he is not good for you (you just have to read what Axel says), in Axel's case I don't think he was in love with Lena, he's just a toxic abusive Neanderthal who sees Lena as property and that's why he loses control when someone else is with her, maybe I'm wrong. but it's the feeling they give me :unsure:
 

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A lot of good points were discussed and brought up. As I see lucadiadis went with the "some options you didn't pick" changes the narrative of the story. That is true with her cigarette and drug acceptance/refusal with Ivy. All options are not going to alter the narrative of the story. Some will go hand in hand and hence are canon. Lena's footjob skill is canon, she had a fling with a professor who made her do things and she got good at it. Now you get the option for TMI or stop it then and there. Regarding her threesome with Cherry, it is again a canon. We get the option to make Lena open up to us about her previous relationship. I understand that you don't want Lena in those scenarios but being in denial will not help it. Lena is sexually very open and curious hence she has a BI path. We as a player mold her curiousness and make her act on it. Like flirting with Mike even if she knows that he has a GF, teasing Ian at the record store with his hypothetical GF, BBC so on and so forth.

When it comes to Lena as a person, she never had it easy. Growing up in a dysfunctional home tends to take a toll mentally. She has an abandonment issue which cropped up when her own father left her. She is looking for support that would treat her well and take care of her. We can see in her monologues and even her talks with Holly during her 3rd songwriting, that she yearns for it. During her date with Ian where she complimented a fit Ian, she clearly expressed her thankfulness for taking care of her and treating her right. At the end of CH11 at Ian's place, there is a line where Lena says "I had given myself to him, and in return, he had surrendered a part of him to me that belonged to me and only me". She goes all in in a relationship if she's given time.

Don't get me started on that piece of period blood named Axel. As I said in a previous post, he is very skilful with manipulation and gaslighting his partners. Lena was not in a good place in her life when she met Axel. He played his cards right and showed Lena that he could be the support that she needed all her life. As Lena said the relationship was alright when it started but it soon went down south when that creep's ulterior motive was coming onto the surface. "Axel likes to be liked" The self-entitlement and narcissism are through the roof when you are only surrounded by yes-men who stroke your ego to the fullest. Axel is a 'player' foremost, he is just like Jeremy without being a one-pump chump and much more tactful around girls. He manipulated Lena's feelings and told her he loved her. For Lena, it meant real love but for Axel, it meant he loved his toy. She surrendered herself to Axel because she trusted him. The dom shit that Axel went through with her was just to mark his property. Hence he was in a psycho mode when Lena left him, he got angry that he was not able to make her fully subservient to him. Not being liked by her made him unstable, he finally got a nay-sayer amongst the sea of yes-men.

Lena can act like Axel if she is in a dominant relationship with Louise. We can clearly see what Axel felt when he treated Lena the same way. Louise surrendered herself to Lena but for Lena, it didn't mean anything. It was just for fun. She even said it during the second music gig at the Fortress.
 
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A lot of good points were discussed and brought up. As I see lucadiadis went with the "some options you didn't pick" changes the narrative of the story. That is true with her cigarette and drug acceptance/refusal with Ivy. All options are not going to alter the narrative of the story. Some will go hand in hand and hence are canon. Lena's footjob skill is canon, she had a fling with a professor who made her do things and she got good at it. Now you get the option for TMI or stop it then and there. Regarding her threesome with Cherry, it is again a canon. We get the option to make Lena open up to us about her previous relationship. I understand that you don't want Lena in those scenarios but being in denial will not help it. Lena is sexually very open and curious hence she has a BI path. We as a player mold her curiousness and make her act on it. Like flirting with Mike even if she knows that he has a GF, teasing Ian at the record store with his hypothetical GF, BBC so on and so forth.

When it comes to Lena as a person, she never had it easy. Growing up in a dysfunctional home tends to take a toll mentally. She has an abandonment issue which cropped up when her own father left her. She is looking for support that would treat her well and take care of her. We can see in her monologues and even her talks with Holly during her 3rd songwriting, that she yearns for it. During her date with Ian where she complimented a fit Ian, she clearly expressed her thankfulness for taking care of her and treating her right. At the end of CH11 at Ian's place, there is a line where Lena says "I had given myself to him, and in return, he had surrendered a part of him to me that belonged to me and only me". She goes all in in a relationship if she's given time.

Don't get me started on that piece of period blood named Axel. As I said in a previous post, he is very skilful with manipulation and gaslighting his partners. Lena was not in a good place in her life when she met Axel. He played his cards right and showed Lena that he could be the support that she needed all her life. As Lena said the relationship was alright when it started but it soon went down south when that creep's ulterior motive was coming onto the surface. "Axel likes to be liked" The self-entitlement and narcissism are through the roof when you are only surrounded by yes-men who stroke your ego to the fullest. Axel is a 'player' foremost, he is just like Jeremy without being a one-pump chump and much more tactful around girls. He manipulated Lena's feelings and told her he loved her. For Lena, it meant real love but for Axel, it meant he loved his toy. She surrendered herself to Axel because she trusted him. The dom shit that Axel went through with her was just to mark his property. Hence he was in a psycho mode when Lena left him, he got angry that he was not able to make her fully subservient to him. Not being liked by her made him unstable, he finally got a nay-sayer amongst the sea of yes-men.

Lena can act like Axel if she is in a dominant relationship with Louise. We can clearly see what Axel felt when he treated Lena the same way. Louise surrendered herself to Lena but for Lena, it didn't mean anything. It was just for fun. She even said it during the second music gig at the Fortress.
 

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A lot of good points were discussed and brought up. As I see lucadiadis went with the "some options you didn't pick" changes the narrative of the story. That is true with her cigarette and drug acceptance/refusal with Ivy. All options are not going to alter the narrative of the story. Some will go hand in hand and hence are canon. Lena's footjob skill is canon, she had a fling with a professor who made her do things and she got good at it. Now you get the option for TMI or stop it then and there. Regarding her threesome with Cherry, it is again a canon. We get the option to make Lena open up to us about her previous relationship. I understand that you don't want Lena in those scenarios but being in denial will not help it. Lena is sexually very open and curious hence she has a BI path. We as a player mold her curiousness and make her act on it. Like flirting with Mike even if she knows that he has a GF, teasing Ian at the record store with his hypothetical GF, BBC so on and so forth.

When it comes to Lena as a person, she never had it easy. Growing up in a dysfunctional home tends to take a toll mentally. She has an abandonment issue which cropped up when her own father left her. She is looking for support that would treat her well and take care of her. We can see in her monologues and even her talks with Holly during her 3rd songwriting, that she yearns for it. During her date with Ian where she complimented a fit Ian, she clearly expressed her thankfulness for taking care of her and treating her right. At the end of CH11 at Ian's place, there is a line where Lena says "I had given myself to him, and in return, he had surrendered a part of him to me that belonged to me and only me". She goes all in in a relationship if she's given time.

Don't get me started on that piece of period blood named Axel. As I said in a previous post, he is very skilful with manipulation and gaslighting his partners. Lena was not in a good place in her life when she met Axel. He played his cards right and showed Lena that he could be the support that she needed all her life. As Lena said the relationship was alright when it started but it soon went down south when that creep's ulterior motive was coming onto the surface. "Axel likes to be liked" The self-entitlement and narcissism are through the roof when you are only surrounded by yes-men who stroke your ego to the fullest. Axel is a 'player' foremost, he is just like Jeremy without being a one-pump chump and much more tactful around girls. He manipulated Lena's feelings and told her he loved her. For Lena, it meant real love but for Axel, it meant he loved his toy. She surrendered herself to Axel because she trusted him. The dom shit that Axel went through with her was just to mark his property. Hence he was in a psycho mode when Lena left him, he got angry that he was not able to make her fully subservient to him. Not being liked by her made him unstable, he finally got a nay-sayer amongst the sea of yes-men.

Lena can act like Axel if she is in a dominant relationship with Louise. We can clearly see what Axel felt when he treated Lena the same way. Louise surrendered herself to Lena but for Lena, it didn't mean anything. It was just for fun. She even said it during the second music gig at the Fortress.
 

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I only advertise for jeremy and axel superiority and more content with holly,cindy and alison in that direction
I can imagin a lot of things hotter than getting cucked by perry:KEK:not a good antagonist and I want more story drama
Am pretty sure Jeremy would cum the moment Lena unhooks her bra :/
 
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We'll have indeed to disagree on this. I think it's a mistake not to consider Lena/Axel/Cherry canonical event no matter if Ian is told about it or not. Similarly it's not optional that 19 year old Lena had an affair with college professor 20 years her senior, that involved foot play and water sports. Lena is, simply put, not Holly. She likes to read books and have some time for herself, but it doesn't mean she's a nerdy shut-in with little to no sexual experiences or appetite.
Dude, that's mostly a plothole or a lie cuz Lena has been with Alex for like 5 years. And the professor relationship happened when she was 19, So it's kinda inconsistent, don't u think?? Or did the rewrite changed to much
 
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Dude, that's mostly a plothole or a lie cuz Lena has been with Alex for like 5 years. And the professor relationship happened when she was 19, So it's kinda inconsistent, don't u think?? Or did the rewrite changed to much
My first question is when was it stated that Lena and Axel had been dating for 5 years? We only know that Axel was Lena's latest boyfriend before meeting Ian, that she had felt betrayed by Axel, and that Cherry was involved sexually in some fashion although we don't know the full extent of it yet.

My second question is: How is it inconsistent? We, or at least I, have largely been under the assumption that most of the cast in their mid to late 20s, Holly being the youngest at 23 (confirmed) and Allison likely being the oldest at 28. Lena could have easily been in the relationship with her professor at 19, and still had five years to be with Axel. Though I'm still dubious of the 5 year relationship.
 
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My first question is when was it stated that Lena and Axel had been dating for 5 years? We only know that Axel was Lena's latest boyfriend before meeting Ian, that she had felt betrayed by Axel, and that Cherry was involved sexually in some fashion although we don't know the full extent of it yet.

My second question is: How is it inconsistent? We, or at least I, have largely been under the assumption that most of the cast in their mid to late 20s, Holly being the youngest at 23 (confirmed) and Allison likely being the oldest at 28. Lena could have easily been in the relationship with her professor at 19, and still had five years to be with Axel. Though I'm still dubious of the 5 year relationship.
I have played multiple path and according to different choices Lena's past changes, for instance if she choices to smoke in ch 11 ivy saya it been a long time since they smoke together and if she rejects the smoke in the same chapter ivy says Lena is a nerd and bookworm and how she NVR hangs around with her(ivy) after school back in the days. And Lena is 22 so it is inconsistent, am sry am too lazy go into the details. But in the end the game is still in development,so ig it's fine .
 
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The longest relationship was of Ian/Gillian for 4 years. I think you misread the "5 months" that Axel spoke when he was correcting Lena's "6 months" remark during Agnes's photoshoot with Danny.
 

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The longest relationship was of Ian/Gillian for 4 years. I think you misread the "5 months" that Axel spoke when he was correcting Lena's "6 months" remark during Agnes's photoshoot with Danny.
No, Alex and Lena broke up 6 months ago . Their relationship lasted far longer than mere 6 months.
 

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Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Maybe you picked up 5 from there.
It was stated in the version before the rewrite, maybe I am mistaken. But one thing is for sure is that Lena being wild or not in the past depends totally upon the player. Everyone should play the games different paths like I did, cuz idy everyone arguing with eachother on this thread about Lena's past lol
 
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I'm not a fan of decisions affecting characters' past/background, it should only change the present and future. Or maybe if you choose it at the start of the game (playing a nerd, a slut, etc.)

So if refusing a cigarette from Ivy makes Lena a nerd who didn't hang out with her it's really weird
 
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