VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[BloodyMares]

It’s not impossible that it’s from that scene, but the lighting isn’t the same, as far as I can recall. And also I would be surprised if she felt it needed a complete makeover — it’s pretty good both story and art wise already, I’d say.

The lighting seems to be the camera flash on a black backdrop (that makes it look purple) which only Seymour had for Lena's first photo shoot.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Considering her post above it is obvious that we are not going to see Chapter 10 until at least next fall. All that tinkering with the earlier chapters is just a way to postpone the work on the next chapter. She probably doesn't know how to continue the game (or even worse doesn't want to). She has a problem with the writing of the story, it seems.

That's a lot of speculation.

I'm not expecting a Chapter 10 for a long while, but not for the reasons you're guessing. I think she sounds pretty honest in her post and that we could formulate the situation pretty well from it. She's stressed, it's a big workload, she's not happy with some work in the previous chapters & she also wants to get the game to as professional quality as possible before a steam release since it's clear she holds herself to a higher standard than the majority of adult game devs.

I can imagine a Fall 2022 chapter 10 though. Expectations not set high for an earlier release there.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

The lighting seems to be the camera flash on a black backdrop (that makes it look purple) which only Seymour had for Lena's first photo shoot.

Ah, that seems right. The purple colour of the tuffet reflects on the black backdrop. The outfit is similar to the one she originally had in that scene as well. Thanks for the input!

Not sure why Eva felt the need to give that scene a complete makeover, but if she wants to adjust some of the dynamic between Lena and Seymour before their scene in chapter 9, I guess it makes sense to change how it’s starting off. Lena’s posing could be rather daring as it was, but it’s still a big leap from that to how Seymour orders her around in her apartment.

Changing that photoshoot could also affect the next shoot with Seymour and Axel, I’d say — without necessarily making new art for it. Even though she reflects on how it feels to pose in front of Seymour, that scene feels very much about Axel. Obviously I don’t know what Eva’s intention is, but it would be interesting if we had the chance to choose whether Lena got the most pleasure from the fact that she’s posing with Axel — or that she’s doing it in front of Seymour.

 

[CoalPhelps]

I agree that the turn of events with Seymour in chapter 9 was in line with what could be expected. (Though I had a more vague idea about it — this was a good summary!)

My main point a few comments before yours, was that Lena — who’s happily unaware that she’s the main character of a porn game — didn’t have as obvious reasons to expect it (and nor did she, as far as I can tell).

When she earlier is confronted with the decision of whether she likes working with him or not, it feels like you choose "I don’t think he’s got any bad intentions" rather than "I don’t mind if he’s got bad intentions". But when it turns out his intentions are pretty shady (which should be clear to Lena as well as he presents his deal and the photoshoot plays out), Lena adapts to it a bit too easily, in my view.

The photoshoot with Axel that turned into sex was also not what she had planned, but that was something she knew deep down was likely to happen, and she had plenty of chances to fantasize about it in advance. Making it possible to think about Seymour during one of her masturbation sessions, as an example — or at least fantasize about his power or the submissive position she’s in during their encounters — would’ve made the events in chapter 9 a bit more dynamic and part of a natural progression, I think. But the chapter 9 twist is an important part of his path as well, so maybe it would’ve worked against purpose.

It’s not a big issue, just nitpicking — as we get plenty of chances to do, considering chapter 10 is probably still several months away.

Well, at least I spoke from the player's point of view. As for the corruption path, I agree that it is developing too fast in the case of Seymour. Here Lena gets a little excited during the photo shoot and now she is ready to masturbate and humiliate herself in front of him. Yes, it would not hurt to add at least more thoughts about him, what Lena feels when she is next to him and the opportunity to fantasize, I also agree here.

As for the twist itself: I understand its importance, but now it still feels a little far-fetched and ruins the character's dynamics and impact (as I wrote, I was a little disappointed by his twist on a classic Bondian villain). I was expecting him to be more subtle about Lena and show some interest in Ian, like an invitation to discuss a manuscript with the intention of using the guy to get closer to Lena. It's also clichéd, of course, but it made his character darker and a little less antagonistic and hated by the players. But now everything depends on revamp and subsequent chapters. Perhaps developing this path will cause me to take my words back and make it more interesting as the fuller picture emerges.

 

[dundun]

I think it’s her first shoot with Seymour.

You are right. The lingerie is the same, too.

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[PervySageKem]

Hi there! Can anyone give me an overview of what type of routes you can take in this game? It seems a little more convoluted then Good Girl Gone Bad, if someone could give me an heads up on the bad ends and possible paths I'd be grateful!

 

[Sherka]

It's true that Lena wears the same lingerie as in her first photoshoot with Seymour, but I don't know why Eva would modify that photo session with Seymour, art and write are great, now, knowing that the next update will be about "improving" Stan's character and already having a couple of photo sessions with Stan, it makes me think that maybe now Lena can do that session with Seymour or with Stan, and maybe the drawing that she release is from the session with Stan. Just my thoughts

 

[xgrotesc]

It's true that Lena wears the same lingerie as in her first photoshoot with Seymour, but I don't know why Eva would modify that photo session with Seymour, art and write are great, now, knowing that the next update will be about "improving" Stan's character and already having a couple of photo sessions with Stan, it makes me think that maybe now Lena can do that session with Seymour or with Stan, and maybe the drawing that she release is from the session with Stan. Just my thoughts

Other than Stan Eva did say she was improving art and writing on some other scenes she wasn't satisfied with, so the photo shoot ith Seymour could very well be one of those.

 

[Ashley young]

Considering her post above it is obvious that we are not going to see Chapter 10 until at least next fall. All that tinkering with the earlier chapters is just a way to postpone the work on the next chapter. She probably doesn't know how to continue the game (or even worse doesn't want to). She has a problem with the writing of the story, it seems.

Yeah i can easily see the next update coming after 6-7 months. Assuming that she is done with her holidays now, it will take around 2 months (best case scenario) to revamp the 9 chapters. Another 1 month of so for polishing the game for a steam release. After that, another 3-4 months for chapter 10.

I also agree with the story thing too, because as the game move forwards there will be a lot more branching. EK backed herself up in a corner with the dual protagonists, so she has to balance the branching for both characters equally. She was already on the ropes by the time GGGB ended due to multiple paths, and ORS will be even harder.

I can see all this affect her patron count as well, because a lot of people did not like the 3-4 month schedule EK has taken to release the recent chapters (mostly because each update has about 40 minutes of content for all paths combined). Stretching that time even longer will not help her at all

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Counterpoint: Getting the game polished for a Steam preview release is high priority because it could start making a lot more cash for her if executed correctly. With more money flowing in, the long-haul of the game can run much more smoothly... and quickly. (Remember, we're only half-way through & this game will take 3+ years more dev time at the current rate). Extra income source means extra staff and much more time to focus on branching storylines - the most challenging part of this sort of undertaking. Seems like a calculated risk to me & a much safer bet if she puts current efforts into great promo vids/marketing & a dazzling new-and-improved Steam build to wow/hook an entirely new market of players.

Should she map those paths more solidly now though, instead of designing more on a whim? Yes. Not doing so is a big development bottleneck no matter how much potential payroll she has to boost development speed.

 

[JohnnySolo]

My personal opinion is that Eva Kiss wants to squaring the circle with ORS. On one hand side it should be something new a story about life, decisions and moral on the other side there is still this flavor GGGB.

And here I see the main issue, ORS is not GGGB 2.0. The corruption part is not really working, some content seems to be there just to satisfy some “fantasies” (Lena/Jeremy) or it’s written inconsistently, for example the Lena/Mike story, which makes Lena a complete hypocrite person.

Personally, I have no problem with all this content, as long you can avoid it. My problem is, will I be waiting 6 – 7 months for my two/three scenes which I really like only because all the other stuff has also to be satisfied?

Now we have a Stan rewriting, so that we have the check box for the story of the creepy guy with nice sexy girl. And with the last news it seems, that we also have a Seymour rewriting, so again spending time in the corruption part and not forwarding the story, maybe because there is no idea for the story.

That’s all fine, I’m not blaming anyone, but I’m thinking that I was maybe having a wrong impression of the game.

 

[PervySageKem]

I really enjoyed Good Girl Gone Bad. A good thing about it was that you had a lot of control, you could hang out with several different people and it would be possible to end the game and maintain several love interests at the same time (like Jack, Eva and the Boss, for instance. Probably more).

Is that possible here? I feel like the story is a lot more convoluted then GGGB, since all the characters know each other and are trying to get into each others pants. Is it possible for our boy to be with more than one girl without being executed? Or are girls the only ones allowed to have multiple partners?

 

[dolfe67]

In terms of corruption, GGGB has pretty much eveything. A "good" girl corrupted to become a cam girl/porn actress/brainless bimbo/gang member/junkie. Hard not to do a repeat. That's why there is a male MC in ORS, but then the paths are more than doubled and are intertwined between the 2 MCs

 

[monk_56]

I really enjoyed Good Girl Gone Bad. A good thing about it was that you had a lot of control, you could hang out with several different people and it would be possible to end the game and maintain several love interests at the same time (like Jack, Eva and the Boss, for instance. Probably more).

Is that possible here? I feel like the story is a lot more convoluted then GGGB, since all the characters know each other and are trying to get into each others pants. Is it possible for our boy to be with more than one girl without being executed? Or are girls the only ones allowed to have multiple partners?

So far he is looking to get executed. Draw-back of the only reason people wanting to be with you is that you are a good person. The characters interested in Ian are mostly interested in him from a Romantic standpoint and if they don't get that romance- he doesn't satisfy them enough for them not to be also looking to play the field. (Alison with Jeremy, Axel with Cindy.)

Minerva exists as an isolated option for Ian. Emma may as well.

Everything else conflicts with each-other on some level or someone else in the story wants a piece of the action.

Pray for the Holly trinity I guess

Currently Lena doesn't really have to compete with anyone for her LI (outside of Ian). Maybe Ivy will be problematic to her on the Axel route? Lena's relationship problems tend to be inverse of Ian's- namely that people are not interested in her romantically and only want claim to her body- whereas in Ian's relationships people want Romance/Attention but are like w/e about his appearance.

I agree with JohnnySolo that a lot of Lena's corruption content feels "shoehorned" in / out of character. It is pretty disapointing stuff to be honest. Game is rocking too many different vibes to be worth funding to be candid. There are parts of the game I LOVE- but 50% of a pledge going into time to develop content for a bunch arcs with weird shitty perverts like Stan / Seymour is definitely not money well spent.

 

[PervySageKem]

So far he is looking to get executed. Draw-back of the only reason people wanting to be with you is that you are a good person. The characters interested in Ian are mostly interested in him from a Romantic standpoint and if they don't get that romance- he doesn't satisfy them enough for them not to be also looking to play the field. (Alison with Jeremy, Axel with Cindy.)

Minerva exists as an isolated option for Ian. Emma may as well.

Everything else conflicts with each-other on some level or someone else in the story wants a piece of the action.

Pray of the Holly trinity I guess

Currently Lena doesn't really have to compete with anyone for her LI (outside of Ian). Maybe Ivy will be problematic to her on the Axel route? Lena's relationship problems tend to be inverse of Ian's- namely that people are not interested in her romantically and only want claim to her body- whereas in Ian's relationships people want Romance/Attention but are like w/e about his appearance.

I agree with JohnnySolo that a lot of Lena's corruption content feels "shoehorned" in / out of character. It is pretty disapointing stuff to be honest. Game is rocking too many different vibes to be worth funding to be candid. There are parts of the game I LOVE- but 50% of a pledge going into time to develop content for a bunch arcs with weird shitty perverts like Stan / Seymour is definitely not money well spent.

You have a lot of opinions the same as me. Its so sad how the game seems to force the female MC into various different relationships and corruption, but it won't do the same for Ian. I'm really sad to hear that.

So it's impossible to have fun with Cindy or Ivy without repercussions? But Lena can fuck 10 guys at the same time and it's okay?

 

[monk_56]

You have a lot of opinions the same as me. Its so sad how the game seems to force the female MC into various different relationships and corruption, but it won't do the same for Ian. I'm really sad to hear that.

So it's impossible to have fun with Cindy or Ivy without repercussions? But Lena can fuck 10 guys at the same time and it's okay?

Mmmm. It seems like it might be headed in that direction but it is hard to tell. Cindy's route is currently in its early stages and Ian cannot even touch Ivy.

Lena's corruption route definitely seems to be headed in the direction of her just hyper-slutting everything and everyone, but there will definitely be repercussions. I don't think there will be much romance in it for instance.

The open relationship with Lena might open things up for Ian a bit- so I don't want to make any assumptions. I can definitely see this being a path for Ian to be able to be with Emma, Lena, Holly, Louise, and Minerva at the same time. Maybe Ivy too. If Ian doesn't lose Alison and Cindy on this pathing though- I'd be very surprised.

Maybe Ian's book will be a big hit and he can become a sugar daddy? Who knows. He is going to need to win over gals with Charisma or Money though b/c his body isn't cutting it

 

[PervySageKem]

Mmmm. It seems like it might be headed in that direction but it is hard to tell. Cindy's route is currently in its early stages and Ian cannot even touch Ivy.

Lena's corruption route definitely seems to be headed in the direction of her just hyper-slutting everything and everyone, but there will definitely be repercussions. I don't think there will be much romance in it for instance.

The open relationship with Lena might open things up for Ian a bit- so I don't want to make any assumptions. I can definitely see this being a path for Ian to be able to be with Emma, Lena, Holly, Louise, and Minerva at the same time. Maybe Ivy too. If Ian doesn't lose Alison and Cindy on this pathing though- I'd be very surprised.

Maybe Ian's book will be a big hit and he can become a sugar daddy? Who knows. He is going to need to win over gals with Charisma or Money though b/c his body isn't cutting it

Oh, so Cindy's Path is still in development? That's interesting to know, I shouldn't devote much effort into her then (pretty sad, she's my second favorite after Lena).

So you think it's pretty difficult to hold onto Alison and Cindy? Because Jeremy and Axel will "attack" immediately? Should I just ignore both to avoid getting hurt?

 

[monk_56]

Oh, so Cindy's Path is still in development? That's interesting to know, I shouldn't devote much effort into her then (pretty sad, she's my second favorite after Lena).

So you think it's pretty difficult to hold onto Alison and Cindy? Because Jeremy and Axel will "attack" immediately? Should I just ignore both to avoid getting hurt?

I'd try their routes and see how you feel about them. The Alison romance in particular is nice. Also, Cindy is a fan favorite- so you should definitely try that route as well. Who knows how things will develop over time.

I preferred going for Emma / Cherry over the Alison route and going for Holly instead of Cindy; but the other routes were nice too- just not sure how they will end up.

 

[PervySageKem]

I'd try their routes and see how you feel about them. The Alison romance in particular is nice. Also, Cindy is a fan favorite- so you should definitely try that route as well. Who knows how things will develop over time.

I preferred going for Emma / Cherry over the Alison route and going for Holly instead of Cindy; but the other routes were nice too- just not sure how they will end up.

Yeah, it seems nice it's just a problem I have. I hate commiting to a girl and then she fucks another dude in the story. If I never mess with her I dont care, she can fuck whoever she wants. But if I invest time and "feelings" in her just for her to go for another guy... It makes me feel like shit, to be honest.

It's the one thing I find super-discomfortable in this game, opposed to GGGB. You have no control here, while in GGGB you can pretty much think of a route before starting the game and get it. In this game... Axel and Jeremy are like fucking velociraptors, the second you drop the ball they will pounce on your girl. It's really annoying.

I wanted to give Emma try, but it in the Walktrough it says if I do it immediatly means Jeremy fucks Alison...

It's really annoying and stressful.

I wanted to have some fun with Lena and Cindy. If Alison weren't a problem, maybe her too. If Ivy is off-limits it's a shame, but I guess I'll just forget about her.

 

[okfairenough]

In terms of corruption, GGGB has pretty much eveything. A "good" girl corrupted to become a cam girl/porn actress/brainless bimbo/gang member/junkie. Hard not to do a repeat. That's why there is a male MC in ORS, but then the paths are more than doubled and are intertwined between the 2 MCs

I wouldn't mind another GGGB tbh. With a different girl and a different setting, the possibilities are endless.