VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Deleted member 3064965]

Well, we still don’t have the full picture of the Lena/Cherry/Axel story. We got a bit of Lena and Cherry’s personal view.
And I think Lena and Cherry have to talk together, like suggested by Holly.

I’m sure that Axel has used both Lena and Cherry, I don’t see that Cherry is a bad person.

I don’t see Cherry as a bad person either, but her own account of what happened showed that she was more aware of what she was doing than I expected, at least. I’m sure there’s more stuff lined up for that path.

And while it surprised me that Cherry had sex with Axel when she knew he was cheating, I think it was an interesting twist. It wasn’t just the stereotypical alpha hunk who had all the blame, the seemingly more innocent Cherry was knowingly a part of it as well. I hope Lena will have a talk with her soon. (Also because I’m hoping for the unlikely event where Lena and Cherry end up in bed together again, without Axel.)

And while Ian can be dominant during sex, his sweet personality makes her think differently about Ian. Axel made Lena feel like she belonged to him, and she liked it. To be HIS and nobody else's. That made her feel safe and carefree, like a little girl in her father's arms. She could truly let go, and feel no shame in anything he made her do.

I agree on your general take that Axel offers something Ian doesn’t, even if Ian become more dominant in bed. And while I don’t doubt that Lena enjoyed her time with Axel, I’m not sure if it exactly was a healthy relationship for Lena. I think how it ended showed the negative side of their power balance as well — how being the submissive part (not only sexually) not only made her feel safe, but also put her in a very vulnerable position Axel could take advantage of.

My impression is that some of her anger also stems from that; she’s upset that she gave up control to such an extent. But my general prejudice against the Axel stereotype may very well be affecting my impression as well. Either way I find it believable that those objections vanished in the heat of the moment when they ended up together again in Axel’s bed.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

No better time to pull it, to be honest. Not to make this bigger than it is, but reasoning like that tends to encourage a kind of dissociation and removal of agency from oneself and one's actions that really serves no one.

It's also just kind of weird - not to say somewhat sexist - that anyone would believe a person's brain can be overridden just like that by musk and a pair of pecs. Like, if that's how it works we all might as well go full-on on the 2d girls, 'cause preventing a 3d one from cucking us would downright be too much work.

I agree with this. That being said, rationality doesn't make for the best porn scenarios or general dirty talk. "I've got suuch low self-esteem right now. And your well chiseled body coupled with my need to feel wanted and accepted due to an abandomnent complex is making me so. damn. hot! Regardless of who I might hurt in the process." Mind-control musk and dickmotized nymphos ftw in that regard. [monocle.gif].

 

[PervySageKem]

Have you got a problem that there is a choice? If you don't like that she fall for Axel again, just choose for her to refuse the kiss, it's that simple. But don't want for everyone else to think like you

I don't have anything against the choice, I do have against the fact that the MAIN CHARACTER can't also have that choice.

I am all open for having as many different as choices, just give the Main Character and the Main pairing the same amount of content. It's not that easy, specially since Eva reuses scenes from different characters.

 

[TheBlackGungir]

Have you got a problem that there is a choice? If you don't like that she fall for Axel again, just choose for her to refuse the kiss, it's that simple. But don't want for everyone else to think like you

I also think though the choice within the choice is the issues Ian legit can be Cindy as a choice and within that choice you can determine the relationship break up with Wade or Cheat with him as small as that choice is you don't really have that choice with Lena.
I personally don't mind the scene with Axel but the issue is it feels as though what you want from the relationship is the issues same with Seymour. An example would've been with the high enough stat or will you could've had the scene with Axel but afterward basically determining this was more for you and he is just Dick. I get it corruption route but again I feel as though the game suffers from this route because it makes scenes have way fewer options on one route because we don't get to determine what we want so some of us might miss scenes because we don't want corruption from Axel, Seymour or Robert we don't mind the scenes but from a story aspect I feel as though to some this feels very force and to formula of a corruption route.

Compare that to Ian Route where damn near no matter who you are and what you do it's hard as hell to miss sex scenes because he determines what he's want's while Lena route it's more up to the supporting characters what they want and if you don't want it then you miss a good chunk of content and the only real choice of relationship is Ian and maybe Louise.

 

[Sorrow85]

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Hi guys,

When it rains it pours, or so they say. Last time I told you about how I was falling behind with ORS' production due to burnout and some other issues and now I got the "unspecified virus of unknown origin", I've spent most of the week in bed feeling like shit, so production hasn't exactly ramped up.
I've been thinking about it for a while and I've decided that starting February I will put all charges on my page on hold. I feel I'm not giving you enough value for your money at this moment and it doesn't sit right with me.

I've said in the past that I'm the one looking forward to new releases the most, and that I really wish I could still publish every single month. I can't wait to realize the ideas I have for ORS and there are also several other projects in the back of my mind I'd love to bring to life at some point too. Taking too long to release a new chapter becomes stressful to me, especially considering this business model: a monthly subscription deserves to be rewarded by a flow of continuous content, and ORS is far from a finished piece. That means that work is never over, and as soon as the last chapter is released, pressure to get the next one ready starts lighting a fire under my feet. I've already talked about it in previous posts, but after more than 4 years of uninterrupted work and due to other personal issues, I found myself feeling quite burnt out after Chapter 9.

I know some of you kindly warned me about that pitfall but I guess I just ran with it because that was the only way I was able to keep myself on the loop, and I still stand by that choice. And because I want to get back in that loop, I want to feel at ease to keep working on this big project. I take your support really seriously, so the constant anxiety of delivering content worthy of your hard earned money has been eating at me. I'm not sure if I'm shooting myself in the foot here, but I think it's the right thing to do and it'll help me get back into things with less stress

I haven't been able to do that recently, so I'm looking to turn that around. So rest assured I will continue to work to bring you quality content and finish ORS like I've always intended to do. The review of the first 9 chapters + Stan's integral rework should not take much longer (it's already taken too long), followed by that Steam release I always talk about and I haven't been able to make a reality yet.

This was hard to write, I hope I did a good job. I know this is far from ideal and I hope I didn't make things sound worse than they actually are. There's a lot of cool stuff coming for ORS, I just want to get it out more efficiently. As always, I want to keep things open and transparent when it comes to the game's development. I'll keep you posted, so stay tuned for next week.
Thanks a bunch guys!

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[lockerxx]

i hope she gets better and gets back her energy.

 

[Ragnar]

That means that work is never over, and as soon as the last chapter is released, pressure to get the next one ready starts lighting a fire under my feet.

It's called work

 

[Homemade]

Man its sad to hear Eva kiss got an unspecified virus of unknown origin"

I hope she takes it easy her personal health and well-being definitely take precedence over the game or her patrons. And I pray she will get better soon. People who think she is a milker. She said this I will put all charges on my page on hold. I feel I'm not giving you enough value for your money at this moment and it doesn't sit right with me. This clearly shows me that Eva kiss is an honest, transparent creator and she deserves all the support she's getting and then some. I will definitely buy ORS on steam, it will be the first AVN game or any game that I will buy on steam but she definitely deserves it.

After this sad news, you guys definitely deserve something.


Ian Astley Serenading for all girls of ''ORS''



In the end, Ian Astley wants to say something to a few individuals. You guys shouldn't take these pictures seriously, these are meant for mentioned individuals...

 

[CoalPhelps]

I also think though the choice within the choice is the issues Ian legit can be Cindy as a choice and within that choice you can determine the relationship break up with Wade or Cheat with him as small as that choice is you don't really have that choice with Lena.
I personally don't mind the scene with Axel but the issue is it feels as though what you want from the relationship is the issues same with Seymour. An example would've been with the high enough stat or will you could've had the scene with Axel but afterward basically determining this was more for you and he is just Dick. I get it corruption route but again I feel as though the game suffers from this route because it makes scenes have way fewer options on one route because we don't get to determine what we want so some of us might miss scenes because we don't want corruption from Axel

Good point about Axel path. It would still be kind of corruption, but at the same time, Lena would give in to her desires not out of impulse, but simply for the sake of good sex. Because she wanted to, and not Axel persuaded her. Something like Kevin path or late Jack path (when first hook up after the club) from GGGB.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

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Hi guys,

When it rains it pours, or so they say. Last time I told you about how I was falling behind with ORS' production due to burnout and some other issues and now I got the "unspecified virus of unknown origin", I've spent most of the week in bed feeling like shit, so production hasn't exactly ramped up.
I've been thinking about it for a while and I've decided that starting February I will put all charges on my page on hold. I feel I'm not giving you enough value for your money at this moment and it doesn't sit right with me.

I've said in the past that I'm the one looking forward to new releases the most, and that I really wish I could still publish every single month. I can't wait to realize the ideas I have for ORS and there are also several other projects in the back of my mind I'd love to bring to life at some point too. Taking too long to release a new chapter becomes stressful to me, especially considering this business model: a monthly subscription deserves to be rewarded by a flow of continuous content, and ORS is far from a finished piece. That means that work is never over, and as soon as the last chapter is released, pressure to get the next one ready starts lighting a fire under my feet. I've already talked about it in previous posts, but after more than 4 years of uninterrupted work and due to other personal issues, I found myself feeling quite burnt out after Chapter 9.

I know some of you kindly warned me about that pitfall but I guess I just ran with it because that was the only way I was able to keep myself on the loop, and I still stand by that choice. And because I want to get back in that loop, I want to feel at ease to keep working on this big project. I take your support really seriously, so the constant anxiety of delivering content worthy of your hard earned money has been eating at me. I'm not sure if I'm shooting myself in the foot here, but I think it's the right thing to do and it'll help me get back into things with less stress

I haven't been able to do that recently, so I'm looking to turn that around. So rest assured I will continue to work to bring you quality content and finish ORS like I've always intended to do. The review of the first 9 chapters + Stan's integral rework should not take much longer (it's already taken too long), followed by that Steam release I always talk about and I haven't been able to make a reality yet.

This was hard to write, I hope I did a good job. I know this is far from ideal and I hope I didn't make things sound worse than they actually are. There's a lot of cool stuff coming for ORS, I just want to get it out more efficiently. As always, I want to keep things open and transparent when it comes to the game's development. I'll keep you posted, so stay tuned for next week.
Thanks a bunch guys!

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The variety and depth of fetishes and paths is a double-edged sword for this game & its success. At least for a solo-dev studio ( albeit with some part time workers & dedicated volunteers).

I don't think Eva would've gotten half of the user-base or patreon supporters she has without such a variety of paths to please so many people. But it's also proven to be too large an undertaking for a dev with shoestring resources.

A greater amount of pre-planning in paths and narrative consideration could have slashed at least 1/4 of the work here though. For instance, with a sketched out plot and some deep consideration at the planning stage, it could have been easy to tell there was little appeal to playing out a Robert path all the way through. Still want to incorporate some of the kinks involved? Simply incorporate them into another character users are more likely to select (say Mike or Axel). She'd still have to vary a few sex scenes for the character adopting those kinks, but would save a ton of time in the long run. As-is, there is so much content there that a majority of players will never see, even in multiple play-throughs. While many paths played often still have inconsistent text throughout.

Also: Illusion of choice = sometimes a good thing, when not overextended. People often bitch about the illusion of choice in visual novels and tbf it's often abused by creators. But it has its place and can help overall quality focus when not over-abused. ORS doesn't seem to have enough illusion of choice in that respect, considering the resources at hand.

I'm guilty of armchair devving here. But if I were in her shoes, I think I'd narrow the focus quite a bit in future projects, focusing more on quality and consistency of text in each choice made & incorporating a good deal more illusion of choice, with enough real choices to still be satisfying. Even having half the options and paths that ORS has is quite a bit more options than most any game in the adult vn genre. IMO, it would be just as satisfying or more (unless any of my fetishes were cut. Then "WTF Eva?!? Reeeeee". Kidding... sort of). The plethora of choices are a big part of what makes her work unique. But I think she could still stand to cut quite a bit while keeping that uniqueness.

 

[Dr.Brule]

I saw the discussion of a 3 some. The only plausible 3 some is Allison has a neurotic breakdown being in Lenas shadow and has a 3 some with Ian and Stan.

 

[InfamousGuy]

I've always thought that a sort of "out there" threesome idea would be IanxAlisonxLena BUT you have Ian and Alison banging while Lena watches.

I think this potential (not at all) route can stem from Lena stepping back from Ivy and Holly's lewd scene. If she chooses to watch, then I could see a potential cuck route for Lena (as opposed to the gigachad GOAT himself Ian). Though this would not fit Lena's character, I do think it's a fun idea to throw out there as it could make sense if Lena starts to like watching Ivy and Holly which could transition over to something like Ian and Alison banging at Ian's place while Perry is away and Lena somehow gets in and then proceeds to watch from the creek of the door which would probably turn Alison on as she likes to make sure that she is above Lena when it comes to Ian.

Obviously this is a far fetched idea but why not speculate as we won't be getting chap 10 for a while.

 

[Brazilian Engrish]

So, till next week. And fuck you covid19. I hope Eva gets better.

 

[Trainer7]

Hope you get well soon Eva!

 

[bauman]

Hi guys,

When it rains it pours, or so they say.

Listen lil' homie, when it rains it pours
Hollow tips and talons, when it rains it pours
Get caught in lead showers just because
N ain't playin', when it rains it pours
N get set up, when it rains it pours
End up wet up, that's when it rains it pours
It usually, goes down over money and whores
But lil' homie in my hood, when it rains it pours

 

[Zed-cero]

awesome

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

The game's development is going through its roughest patch so far after about two years of production, but Eva's still working on it and providing regular updates on Patreon. In yesterday's update she's also saying that the rework of the first 9 chapters "shouldn't take much longer", and she's been claiming in almost every recent post that nothing's changed concering the game's long term development. We obviously don't know what the future holds.

 

[Quintillian]

The variety and depth of fetishes and paths is a double-edged sword for this game & its success. At least for a solo-dev studio ( albeit with some part time workers & dedicated volunteers).

I don't think Eva would've gotten half of the user-base or patreon supporters she has without such a variety of paths to please so many people. But it's also proven to be too large an undertaking for a dev with shoestring resources.

A greater amount of pre-planning in paths and narrative consideration could have slashed at least 1/4 of the work here though. For instance, with a sketched out plot and some deep consideration at the planning stage, it could have been easy to tell there was little appeal to playing out a Robert path all the way through. Still want to incorporate some of the kinks involved? Simply incorporate them into another character users are more likely to select (say Mike or Axel). She'd still have to vary a few sex scenes for the character adopting those kinks, but would save a ton of time in the long run. As-is, there is so much content there that a majority of players will never see, even in multiple play-throughs. While many paths played often still have inconsistent text throughout.

Also: Illusion of choice = sometimes a good thing, when not overextended. People often bitch about the illusion of choice in visual novels and tbf it's often abused by creators. But it has its place and can help overall quality focus when not over-abused. ORS doesn't seem to have enough illusion of choice in that respect, considering the resources at hand.

I'm guilty of armchair devving here. But if I were in her shoes, I think I'd narrow the focus quite a bit in future projects, focusing more on quality and consistency of text in each choice made & incorporating a good deal more illusion of choice, with enough real choices to still be satisfying. Even having half the options and paths that ORS has is quite a bit more options than most any game in the adult vn genre. IMO, it would be just as satisfying or more (unless any of my fetishes were cut. Then "WTF Eva?!? Reeeeee". Kidding... sort of). The plethora of choices are a big part of what makes her work unique. But I think she could still stand to cut quite a bit while keeping that uniqueness.

Completely agree. In its current state, the scope of this game requires a dedicated group, not a single developer. But if she intends to keep working on the game alone, it would be best thing would just to assume all future updates will require an incremental amount of time. That way she doesn’t stress with guilt, and supporting fans don’t feel betrayed with unrealistic expectations.

 

[haidar08890]

How to play the android version?

 

[CoalPhelps]

Guys, while we wait, can you recommend any other interesting VNs with female protagonist here?