VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[desmosome]

Anything new in final version or just bug fixes?

 

[CoalPhelps]

I hope so. I also liked the new interaction at the bar when Axel and the others think Jeremy acts like an idiot. It's far from an redemption arc, but at least it shows that his player persona isn't always working the way he expects it to.

I agree, I like this scene better too. All his macho bravado and balls were broken about his awkward pushy behavior. His problem is that he's a tryhard wannabe player rather than a real Chad. And he's met a natural player who doesn't even have to try for it. And Ian, too, with the right stats, behaves much more authentically and charismatically, fitting in with the company. And I mean, who did Jeremy have ties to? Louise? Pfft, a misguided naive girl who needs someone around. Allison? In this relationship, she's using him, not him using her. Ivy? She's just playing him after the news about Louise. Lena? Again, she's using him as a dildo, not him using her.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Where is this Seymour Lena daddy theory coming from? It's possible I missed something, but was there anything about Seymour and Lena's mom even knowing each other? If not, I don't see why this would be any more likely than the more straightforward power tripping 1%er taking what he wants.

Well, threefold. #1, as Dundun said, we find out in chapter 9 that Lena's dad is not really her dad. But as importantly, #2, due to chap 9 developments, Seymour has gone to implausibly great lengths to possess and control Lena after a few mere chance meetings. For someone that rich and powerful, beautiful women are a dime a dozen, so the speculation is on what other plausible reason he has for doing so. (I don't personally think he's her daddy, though Steam approval partially weighs in on that guess for me). #3. Yep.... people want some incest.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Seymour will use Lena against the Mayor. This is the best theory i have read on this thread. The whole thing of the wild cats (is that the correct name?) being a prostitution ring.

I, too, have these thoughts that Wildcats is actually something much shadier than an elite modeling agency. Probably kind of a brothel for rich daddies or something to do with escorts.

 

[qwertycoltan]

Why can't Ian tell Wade to fight for Cindy in this new version?. Is it because Ian went with her to the club?. in the previous versions Ian could, I don't see why he can't now.

 

[desmosome]

I, too, have these thoughts that Wildcats is actually something much shadier than an elite modeling agency. Probably kind of a brothel for rich daddies or something to do with escorts.

Ehh. I thought we are all in agreement that ORS is fairly grounded in reality. Wildcats could be quite shady under the surface. The modeling industry being predatory is something that is believable. The most well known modeling agency being a front for a literal prostitution ring? Not so much.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Why can't Ian tell Wade to fight for Cindy in this new version?. Is it because Ian went with her to the club?. in the previous versions Ian could, I don't see why he can't now.

Not enough Charisma and/or your Ian is too interested in Cindy. Ignore her pics on Peoplegram and don't say you'd like to see pics of her if you want to go to a bar with her and still give Wade advice.

 

[dundun]

Point #1. Regarding incest content, sure, they haven't had "sex" yet. But I'm fairly certain Seymour demanding a daughter strip nude & insert an orgasm machine into her vag which he controls from the couch till she squirts all over the floor wouldn't pass Steam's prohibited content sniff-test either.

Point #2. I think you misunderstood me. I could have probably been more clear. I don't think the bum as potential-ex-rival/potential-father is Seymour's main motivation. That potential motivation only relies on her mother, if it turns out Seymour was in fact interested in or involved with her. So I wasn't suggesting whatsoever that the street corner meet was planned. If said bum actually does turn out to be her father, which I'm merely speculating on, I find it more likely than not that he doesn't know she's his daughter yet. But the resemblance to her mother would likely be both intriguing and haunting to him, giving him a pause as shown in the scenes he's featured in. I take the bum = dad as more speculative vs a Seymour wounded by Lena's mom. Still, in any story at least somewhat following standard writing conventions, every insert has a purpose. And the language/tone of both bum encounters seemed to hint at something more than a mere opportunity for Lena's character development or Seymour's back-story. That's why the suspicion popped out at me. He'll be a key part of the story later I'm sure, regardless of any potential genetic link.

"Whole ball of string": That is actually my largest gripe with the ORS plotline so far, which pops up over and over again, & why I call the Red String a Deus/Diabolas Ex Machina (which in general is a horrible plot device). There are already far too many convenient meetings that make the world feel small, as if there are only 40 or so people living in the entire city, which the Red String theme too easily explains away.


Given the set-up in Chapters 1-8, I personally thought the best writing for the situation would be a fake-out, where Seymour did not, in fact, find Lena special at all, and simply had a long history of breaking seemingly strong, beautiful young women after elevating them up to feel special and powerful. Likely as a way to get misplaced revenge on a long and dormant wound received by his mother, a lost love interest or a powerful yet un-reciprocated love. Written well, that could have the weight of an anvil to the head. But given the way Chapter 9 has fallen into place, I don't think it's possible to write that plot-twist any longer due to the extreme lengths Seymour has gone to in order to possess Lena. So jilted suitor or ex-lover of Lena's mom is the most likely scenario.

1. I just felt the need to point that out...
2. Ah, I see. If we ignore the desperate need this forum has for anything incest (I am looking at you, Spike! ) then yes, Seymour being remembered of an old, denied love by Lena (possibly her mother) would be a possible explanation for Seymours interest. As for the bum, yes, he obviously has a role in the story. But he could be just connected to Seymour and later serve as an ally bringing him down by knowing where some of his skeletons are buried.

Anything new in final version or just bug fixes?

Ian's wits outfit got redone. The shirt now has a collar and the sleeves stand out. Also Perry now stutters a lot more. Like a lot.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Ehh. I thought we are all in agreement that ORS is fairly grounded in reality. Wildcats could be quite shady under the surface. The modeling industry being predatory is something that is believable. The most well known modeling agency being a front for a literal prostitution ring? Not so much.

Come on, I would agree with you in a perfect world. But Victoria's Secret partnered with Jeffrey Epstein, just supplying him with girls (minors at that). And what happened when this was revealed? They changed the image a little bit and promised the models legal protection. Not to mention how many Hollywood stars and politicians (Prince Andrew) got away with being in Epstein's black book. So, illegal on the surface is quite realistic and down-to-earth

 

[CoalPhelps]

Would someone mind telling me how to trigger the Minerva scenes in the remaster?

Just like in the original. Either write an honest review or swap books with Holly and come meet Seymour.

 

[Chemish]

Just like in the original. Either write an honest review or swap books with Holly and come meet Seymour.

Thanks

 

[Funky-Munky]

Well, threefold. #1, as Dundun said, we find out in chapter 9 that Lena's dad is not really her dad. But as importantly, #2, due to chap 9 developments, Seymour has gone to implausibly great lengths to possess and control Lena after a few mere chance meetings. For someone that rich and powerful, beautiful women are a dime a dozen, so the speculation is on what other plausible reason he has for doing so. (I don't personally think he's her daddy, though Steam approval partially weighs in on that guess for me). #3. Yep.... people want some incest.

I threw this up on discord, but thought to mention it here.
What if Seymour is Axel's father (either as a present one or simply as a biological one)? The lengths he is going to twist a random girl would instead be breaking the will of the girl that spurned his son, who still hasn't gotten over her.

Someone like Seymour would expect his progeny to have anything they desire, and it would irk him to see Axel pining after a nobody. He's also "accidentally" had Axel be in a compromising shoot with Lena, and cut off her access to other modelling gigs. I'm pretty sure you can still have Lena shoot with Axel even after the ban...

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

1. I just felt the need to point that out...
2. Ah, I see. If we ignore the desperate need this forum has for anything incest (I am looking at you, Spike! ) then yes, Seymour being remembered of an old, denied love by Lena (possibly her mother) would be a possible explanation for Seymours interest. As for the bum, yes, he obviously has a role in the story. But he could be just connected to Seymour and later serve as an ally bringing him down by knowing where some of his skeletons are buried.


Ian's wits outfit got redone. The shirt now has a collar and the sleeves stand out. Also Perry now stutters a lot more. Like a lot.

Yeah. Bum's definitely coming back at the very least to help them take Seymour down. Based on Chapter 9, it occurred to me he could be more than that, especially with Eva's theme of implausible connections in this game, but we'll see how things pan out... over the next three years. That is unless this Steam release gives a cash flow for super development boost. Fingers crossed.

 

[alexferno]

She has, but she's just fed up with him getting lazy and not paying enough attention to her, wasting it on hanging out with Perry and video games. It also pisses her off that he's gone from a laid back guy to a hedonistic fuck-off guy who doesn't care about anything but having fun and occasionally doing things with Cindy. Basically, he's stopped trying for a relationship, a typical "guy who got the girl of his dreams" syndrome. And the whole game she tries to reawaken that spark in him, that coolness and easy-goingness that she loved him for in the first place. What's more, occasionally even Perry has tried to do this. But getting back to the main theme: she still has feelings for him, but she comes to the realization that they have radically different perspectives on this relationship and if Wade doesn't want to move forward with her, there's Axel or Chad Ian (by that I mean active Ian, not a shag).

I agree with most of what you said, but that's just one side of the picture. Cindy and Wade's relationship is doomed to fail, but Wade isn't the only one to blame. Cindy has a lot of issues and is far from the perfect girlfriend. She's selfish, dishonest, hypocritical, passive-aggressive and toxic at times.
It's not true that he isn't making any efforts to fix their relationship. Wade hates going out, but he goes out with her sometimes, he takes her to live music events, goes clubbing and tries to get his friends to help him fix their relationship.
Cindy mocks Wade in front of their friends.
She did a nude photoshoot with an Adonis-looking guy she barely knew behind Wade's back. Not that there's anything wrong with nude modelling, but she should've told Wade about it. He's her boyfriend and honesty is one of the most important things in a relationship.
Wade is passionate about gaming and wants to make a career out of it, but Cindy isn't supportive at all. In fact, she's very bitchy and dismissive about it. At the same time, she expects him to be supportive of her new career choice (after being dishonest with him).
Wade didn't want to go clubbing on his birthday, but she forced him to do it anyway because it was what she wanted.
When he calls her out on her bullshit, she gets mad and makes him feel guilty for her own mistakes.
Sending nudes to Ian (one of Wade's best friends), grinding on his cock, kissing and cheating with him on Wade's birthday don't help her case either.

 

[CoalPhelps]

I agree with most of what you said, but that's just one side of the picture. Cindy and Wade's relationship is doomed to fail, but Wade isn't the only one to blame. Cindy has a lot of issues and is far from the perfect girlfriend. She's selfish, dishonest, hypocritical, passive-aggressive and toxic at times.
It's not true that he isn't making any efforts to fix their relationship. Wade hates going out, but he goes out with her sometimes, he takes her to live music events, goes clubbing and tries to get his friends to help him fix their relationship.
Cindy mocks Wade in front of their friends.
She did a nude photoshoot with an Adonis-looking guy she barely knew behind Wade's back. Not that there's anything wrong with nude modelling, but she should've told Wade about it. He's her boyfriend and honesty is one of the most important things in a relationship.
Wade is passionate about gaming and wants to make a career out of it, but Cindy isn't supportive at all. In fact, she's very bitchy and dismissive about it. At the same time, she expects him to be supportive of her new career choice (after being dishonest with him).
Wade didn't want to go clubbing on his birthday, but she forced him to do it anyway because it was what she wanted.
When he calls her out on her bullshit, she gets mad and makes him feel guilty for her own mistakes.
Sending nudes to Ian (one of his best friends), grinding on his cock, kissing and cheating with Ian on Wades's birthday don't help her case either.

Of course, I completely agree. I wrote about their relationship not objectively, but from Cindy's point of view, as that was what the topic of the starter's post was about. I like Wade better than Cindy myself and have written repeatedly about her flaws and why I think she is pretty toxic and insufferable. And in general there were no positive characteristics in my post, I just said that she likes spontaneity and desire to go out often.

 

[XXXVAA]

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Our Red String Remastered (Ch9 final version)

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Here's the final version for the Remastered 9 chapters of ORS!

After working so intensively and for such a long time, it's hard for me to get perspective on the finished product, but that's always the case. I still feel so many things could've been improved, and I would've liked to be much more thorough, but this rework has taken far too long as it is. Once again, thank you for your patience.

I know most of you would've preferred for me to skip this rework, or keep it a lot shorter, and move on with the story and Chapter 10. I share that feeling... A rework doesn't bring much new to the table, and it isn't especially fun for me to do, it's been quite a chore, honestly. But there were a few glaring issues I could not ignore, some things I needed to fix before moving forward and so much wasted potential. In the end it took too long, it hurt the game's momentum and I even lost a month of revenue (by choice), but I believe it's all been worth it.

I feel the game is more solid and polished now, closer to what it should and could be. The experience is mostly the same, but it's internal structure has been improved, the mechanics better implemented, the visual presentation enhanced and the soundtrack expanded. I did some subtle tweaks to the pacing, dialogue and character interactions, expanded on scenes and opportunities that offered more potential and that sort of thing. I'm attaching a change log for those who are curious about the stuff that has been added, tweaked or changed.

Some aspects are still a bit rough around the edges, like the Agenda, and I have in mind a few small things I still want to add or improve, but first I want to hear about your feelings and opinions about this new release. Also I want to thank Lara, BloodyMares and TheDarkFable for their help and support with the technical issues, revisions, and improvements to my workflow. The project has gotten so big it would be impossible for me to do it on my own!

I hope you find the remastered ORS even prettier and more charming that it originally was, and hopefully I will give you all that new content you wanted to get in the next Chapter. Work has already started on it!

P.D.: I will re-upload the final version in a few days with some extra tweaks, but they will just be minor visual or technical issues that will not impact the experience.

what are the changes in this version compared to the alpha? thanks

 

[magicuser007]

what are the changes in this version compared to the alpha? thanks

Mostly bug fixes.

 

[alexferno]

Of course, I completely agree. I wrote about their relationship not objectively, but from Cindy's point of view, as that was what the topic of the starter's post was about. I like Wade better than Cindy myself and have written repeatedly about her flaws and why I think she is pretty toxic and insufferable. And in general there were no positive characteristics in my post, I just said that she likes spontaneity and desire to go out often.

Wade isn't just a lazy bum who neglects his girlfriend. He has an unhealthy lifestyle and shows signs of depression and emotional distress.
That said, I think Cindy's route is really hot. I feel bad for my boy Wade, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

 

[CoalPhelps]

That said, I think Cindy's route is really hot. I feel bad for my boy Wade, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

Cheating is not my fetish, so personally I don't like Cindy path as it is now, plus Cindy is not the nicest party for a relationship. But if they break up at some point in the game, I might try something with her. Anyway, in my canonical walkthrough, Ian is loyal to his friends to the end (although he goes to the first photo shoot with Cindy and chooses to go with Holly instead of birthday for career reasons) and tries his best to help and cheer them up.

 

[qwertycoltan]

Not enough Charisma and/or your Ian is too interested in Cindy. Ignore her pics on Peoplegram and don't say you'd like to see pics of her if you want to go to a bar with her and still give Wade advice.

Well that's bull why can't Ian be attracted to her but still not want to compromise his friendship with Wade. I played on cheat mode and Ian didn't tell her he wanted to see her pics, but the option is still greyed out.