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Stan, is that you? STAAAAAAN! I finally found you!
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Heh, resorting to personal insults is kinda pathetic brohan.
Either argue the point or leave it. Sorry if I hurt your feelings talking about one aesthetic being more attractive/dominant than the other.
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To me it is not about body type for Axel and Ian it is about confidence and personality. Axel oozes confidence and has a dominating personality. He has the it factor. Ian does not have these qualities.
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Ahh if it's just *it* factor I bet Ian can get that. If he becomes a mega prolific author that ought to boost his confidence enough.
He does have tons of self-doubt and is somewhat wimpy/vanilla still in his relationship dynamics at the moment, but maybe he can learn. It might be awhile though.
The last chapter did a lot of work at cucking him out and making him weaker. Maybe in this next one he will grow a little.
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Well, I just have to laugh on your views that male MC should by default be the dominant alpha male with Axel looks, and I usually laugh when people wright BS. No one is insulting you, buddy
Also BS that Ian can't have a dominant personality. At the beginning of the game it is, he is an average guy with a personality bias in Wits, but as the game progresses, this can change in any direction and you can build your MC however you want. If you don't played GGGB, then you just don't know that in Eva games, the characters change beyond recognition during the game.
But your idea of ideal male characters and claims that Ian is not masculine and dominant enough... dude, this is very similar to the ideology of incel movement.
Now I get it
If you are playing cuck route no wonder that your Ian is not masculine and dominant enough. My Ian fucks everything that moves."NOT MASCULINE AND NOT DOMINANT"
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You should really take a break of porn to deconstruct these porn stereotypes/tropes in your head.
And the appeal of Ian is that he can achieve as much and even more (way more) of than Jeremy, Axel, Mike can even he not being this "urr durr alpha male" stereotype those three are.
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Jeremy isn't meant to be "dominant type" in the game. Again, this just goes back to my point that people take the physical appearance (and not wrongly) to see someone more dominant than other. Ian can be played as a way more dominant of a person than Jeremy yet people would consider Jeremy as a more dominant person due to his physique.
It's not "Wrong" to consider someone as Axel more of a dom type due to his physique than someone like Ian but it is "wrong" to say Ian ISN'T dom because of his physique or that someone like Jeremy is more dominant.
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Ian being a middle of the road character allows your choices to shape him. If you were playing Axel or Jeremy the whole point system wouldn't make any sense. Similar to how Lena is the most 'middle of the road' female character. (Although arguably Holly could also have been a MC type as she can be evolved in many ways)
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Isn't Axel 194cm (6 4') ? That's a huge difference from 175 (I know since I'm that height)
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If you feel that way about Ian then maybe it's your decisions that led to that ? I certainly didn't feel that way about Ian in my chad playthrough so maybe that's a you problem.
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Agreed, I play Ian as a non-romantic player type going after as many ladies as possible, and he's far from passive. The only slight annoyance is there seems to be a bit of a bug where even if I ignore the Lena romance path, I can't get him to befriend Axel...because Axel still seems jealous for some ridiculous reason.
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Yeah, what's up with that. I could of sworn that wasn't the case before and you could be on a less adversarial path. Was that from the remake/rewrite? I mean I get the need sometimes to streamline the story, but it kind of sucks when choice is taken away from the player. Positive it's a bug or now canonical?
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I doubt it. The pathing I did for canon was basically textbook fuck-boy Ian and and Lena as bi with Ian but Les otherwise. No Cindy, Allison pathing with no threesome, Minerva, and then dating holly towards the end. Course most of Ian's shit shuts off when you try to do Holly's stuff- but that is just the nature of Ian. Bro gets railroaded into monogamy like a motherfucker.
I suppose you could argue that having used the gallery to check out the alt paths made Ian seem weaker- and that is true. But the iteration of Ian I am comparing the other scenes to was more or less the strongest iteration of the lad. He just seems pretty weak / underwhelming when compared to a suite of the other characters.
Perhaps when you are creating a character to be in the middle with latitude to flex to the side they are not really going to be effective in either the dom or sub role- he seems pretty mid at doing most things except vanilla.
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Chad points change the dialogue I believe, you take in account for that as well? Could that have possibly skewed your perception?
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dating Holly and ignoring Allison/Cindy, does not scream fuck-boy Ian route to me.
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I will just say that Ian can become confident (Chad Ian points) and dominant (dominant points during sex). It depends on the player how he wants him Ian is being more proactive as the story flows and if Ian is not dominant than i don't know which character i have been playin this whole time cause that character makes Alison bark during sex, get freaky with Emma, goes after Cindy and fucks her in her room. He is a developing character he is growing as the story is moving on. BUT MOST OF IT DEPENDS ON PLAYER HOW HE PLAYS MC.
Ian near the end of ORS:
Ian near the end of ORS:
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are you sure you got every scene ? there's this scene in a threesome with allison and jeremy where (with the right stats) you can basically humiliate jeremy and make him watch while you have your way with allison, and also many other scenes with allison where Ian can be very dominant .... If you still consider Ian to be weak after all this i don't know what to tell you to be honest, I guess you can believe whatever you want to believe i won't judge.
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I had 5 or 6 iirc. I read a pretty large section of the script raw as well b/c it is well designed, elegently pathing, and pretty interesting.
I did all of the Ian x Allison's content except the devil's 3some in canon. But yeah, ultimate fuckboy Ian is prob on Cindy's path. If I did another play-though I'd swap out Allison for Emma / Cherry though- both of them seem superior and dealing with Allison was annoying to me since she was always trying to make Ian jealous to grab his attention. Also, I don't really care for snu-snu- she makes him look kinda small.
Ian starts the story and has to build up to being dominant. Even now at chapter 10 the most dom thing he can do with Lena is choking her, after she asks him to. Axel on the other hand in one scene with Lena takes complete control of Lena, even making her lose a will point with the forceful blowjob. Remember Axel already was in a dom-sub relationship with Lena, before the game even starts. Axel already has a major head start in the dom department compared to people like Mike and especially Ian. He has an insane physique and his charisma is unrivalled, just look at all the moves he pulls on Cindy. I'd argue the only reason Ian can sleep with her first is because he has benefit of already being acquainted with her.
However just because he is physically dominant, sexually dominant, and extremely charismatic, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most insecure/fragile characters in the game. He spends the first half of the game grovelling for Lena's attention, at multiple points starting fights over his insecurity regarding his ex, and when he hears Ian might be with Lena he immediately gets aggressive. Also during the Cindy photoshoot at his house he makes snarky remarks about Ian's presence and when Ian tells him not to touch Cindy's leg he resorts to sarcastic comments, rather than being upfront. In other words Axel is great and dominant when dealing with women he can seduce, but the second he is put in a situation where he can't seduce his way out of, he relies on physical threats or schoolgirl level sarcasm.
Ian on the other hand has many paths so it's hard to evaluate him holistically, but let's for arguements sake we're talking about dominant/chad Ian. He can also seduce a lot of the characters at bars/clubs. Specifically Cherry, Emma, Alison. Women aren't instantly attracted to him like they are with Axel, he just doesn't have that height and that physique, but he can still seduce and act dominant in bed. Again he isn't a prior dom so he is still only just starting out in the game, he will get more dominant in bed as time goes on. Let him cook.
However just because he is physically dominant, sexually dominant, and extremely charismatic, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most insecure/fragile characters in the game. He spends the first half of the game grovelling for Lena's attention, at multiple points starting fights over his insecurity regarding his ex, and when he hears Ian might be with Lena he immediately gets aggressive. Also during the Cindy photoshoot at his house he makes snarky remarks about Ian's presence and when Ian tells him not to touch Cindy's leg he resorts to sarcastic comments, rather than being upfront. In other words Axel is great and dominant when dealing with women he can seduce, but the second he is put in a situation where he can't seduce his way out of, he relies on physical threats or schoolgirl level sarcasm.
Ian on the other hand has many paths so it's hard to evaluate him holistically, but let's for arguements sake we're talking about dominant/chad Ian. He can also seduce a lot of the characters at bars/clubs. Specifically Cherry, Emma, Alison. Women aren't instantly attracted to him like they are with Axel, he just doesn't have that height and that physique, but he can still seduce and act dominant in bed. Again he isn't a prior dom so he is still only just starting out in the game, he will get more dominant in bed as time goes on. Let him cook.