VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[GabWayne]

Hey,
I played the game for the first time this year, right before chapter 11 release, and I really really enjoyed. From what I read here there seems to be some reworks, I don't know how things were before and I didn't play GGGB but in my case I think the game is really good and it deserves to be a top game here.

I'm a little anxious for the next update so I looked a little in patreon and it seems that in
2020 - 6 chapters were delivered
2021 - 3 chapters
2022 - 1 chapter
2023 - 1 chapter also

So my question is: What happened? I just read the first few posts in the beginning of each year and wanted to know if guys can tell me why only 2 chapters were release since 2021. Thanks

 

[SerHawkes]

Hey,
I played the game for the first time this year, right before chapter 11 release, and I really really enjoyed. From what I read here there seems to be some reworks, I don't know how things were before and I didn't play GGGB but in my case I think the game is really good and it deserves to be a top game here.

I'm a little anxious for the next update so I looked a little in patreon and it seems that in
2020 - 6 chapters were delivered
2021 - 3 chapters
2022 - 1 chapter
2023 - 1 chapter also

So my question is: What happened? I just read the first few posts in the beginning of each year and wanted to know if guys can tell me why only 2 chapters were release since 2021. Thanks

Pointless reworks and the story getting bigger and bigger is what happened. Pretty much sums it up.

Naturally it makes sense that given the story, things would get bigger and bigger in build time. However, not the case. Between the Imfamous 'Stan Update', writers block/burning out/real life stuff (which is understandable), EK bit off way more than she could chew with this one to put it mildly.

 

[GokutheG]

Hey,
I played the game for the first time this year, right before chapter 11 release, and I really really enjoyed. From what I read here there seems to be some reworks, I don't know how things were before and I didn't play GGGB but in my case I think the game is really good and it deserves to be a top game here.

I'm a little anxious for the next update so I looked a little in patreon and it seems that in
2020 - 6 chapters were delivered
2021 - 3 chapters
2022 - 1 chapter
2023 - 1 chapter also

So my question is: What happened? I just read the first few posts in the beginning of each year and wanted to know if guys can tell me why only 2 chapters were release since 2021. Thanks

The number of branches and variables to keep track of increases so it can become difficult and time consuming to get right.

 

[jaden000]

Played up to chapter 6 a while ago Save file anyone

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Id also imagine having to rewrite shit cuz the audience prefers characters you didn't have a big role planned for also plays a part in the slowdown time

 

[0tt0von]

Right, because not listening to feedback does so well for developers, translating to them doing the same things over and over, not developing their style or story or improving on things, rinse repeat cycle of things they do, expecting everyone to be in love with what they do... OH WAIT. Thats not the fucking case. There are issues with EK's writing, inconsistences with characters, questionable decision makings on her part and characters, yet NO one bats an eye about it. They just take it up the ass like good little simps, suck at the 'praise me EK, I defended you so good' tit, and get rewarded for it. Does she even bother to fix the inconsistencies? No, of course not.

Sure, EK is the dev, and she can do what ever she wants to do. It's her project and all. HOWEVER, sometimes actually listening to feedback and actually asking the question of say 'Hey, I'm kinda considering making a change to such and such and here my purposed idea. Thoughts?' not only can get you more fan interaction, but can help with creativity with fans maybe even adding to that idea. Instead, we get no actual idea what happens until it's implemented and everyone either goes yeah I like or why bother in the first place. In this case, EK's Reworks are 0-6(7) for why bother. Wade needing rework made no sense, Stan's wasn't even a rework at all, Billy as well, etc. etc.

So beg pardon if myself and others have isues with the work in progress as is and foresee it going downhill mainly because we are doubting EK based on prior and 'current' claims she has made.

I expect if EK is gonna listen to or ask questions of players it is gonna be the ones sending money every month and I also expect the more money the more they might be listened to. Anyone giving money has more right to ask questions and make suggestions, for those just waiting for the free download I find it a beggars can't be choosers situation. Earlier in thread you had people complaining that EK was adding things to the game because the patrons wanted it added and were upset that the patrons' opinions were being listened to more than the leeches, the level of entitlement was impressive. Ultimately EK is and should be the final arbiter of the game, but if you want a chance at a bigger say in the game put your money where your mouth is otherwise it's just impotent whinging.

 

[SerHawkes]

I expect if EK is gonna listen to or ask questions of players it is gonna be the ones sending money every month and I also expect the more money the more they might be listened to. Anyone giving money has more right to ask questions and make suggestions, for those just waiting for the free download I find it a beggars can't be choosers situation. Earlier in thread you had people complaining that EK was adding things to the game because the patrons wanted it added and were upset that the patrons' opinions were being listened to more than the leeches, the level of entitlement was impressive. Ultimately EK is and should be the final arbiter of the game, but if you want a chance at a bigger say in the game put your money where your mouth is otherwise it's just impotent whinging.

Yeah, because her patrons are the ones wanting fetish content more so than EKs own story, and she is pandering to them while neglecting her own story. And sure, money talks and generally the more money is put out, the "more attentive" a developer might be to "ideas". Problem with that is is that when you listen to the moneyshakers and pander to their wants and demands, and ignore the might not be able to afford the game or fans who might have some really good ideas or suggestions all because of paywall, well we already know whats happened with that so far with the pandering that has panned out.

Good Devs, and writers for that matter, don't have a paywall just to get an earful of suggestions or surround themselves with yesmen when it comes to suggestions or feedback of all kinds. They listen to all feedbacks and suggestions, and consider them while sticking to their own story. They may impliment what a fan or fans may have said, but generally they stick to their vision. In this case, EK isn't doing that. She's listening to her patrons who are demanding more fetish content rather than focusing on sticking to her own story. Hell, her own discord is full of yesmen and kiss asses who go REEEE if anyone critisizes her or the game itself. Same goes true for certain other Devs who can't or don't want any feedback or critisism. That doesn't lead to the developer growing as a person. They do what they think everyone likes, have kiss asses who blindly follow and say its the greatest thing since sliced bread, even though you have many who say otherwise, and continue on a path of mediocrity and no true growth.

But honestly, what do you expect here? No one complaining or venting their thoughts on things on an OPEN FORUM? That is all "whining" from us who have thoughts on things and express doubts on the state of things? Oh, you sweet innocent summer child you be...

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Id also imagine having to rewrite shit cuz the audience prefers characters you didn't have a big role planned for also plays a part in the slowdown time

I'm not sure how much extra thought went into:

"So I heard u like big black dick"
*Eva struggles with the next sentence. Can't quite get it right... until!*
"Uh, yeah."
"Well.."
*what to write.. what to write..*
"Well, how bout DIS big black dick."
(Slurping commences)
*Nailed it! - takes vacation - *

Kidding.. kind of. But I do think some might be overestimating the slowdown on that. Eva has always written with the gardener approach, rather than structuring things out ahead of time. That approach has contributed much to the slowdown since the start of the game so a few changes in character focus wouldn't really affect much time-wise. She's never starting chapters from a mapped-out script.

 

[0tt0von]

Yeah, because her patrons are the ones wanting fetish content more so than EKs own story, and she is pandering to them while neglecting her own story. And sure, money talks and generally the more money is put out, the "more attentive" a developer might be to "ideas". Problem with that is is that when you listen to the moneyshakers and pander to their wants and demands, and ignore the might not be able to afford the game or fans who might have some really good ideas or suggestions all because of paywall, well we already know whats happened with that so far with the pandering that has panned out.

Good Devs, and writers for that matter, don't have a paywall just to get an earful of suggestions or surround themselves with yesmen when it comes to suggestions or feedback of all kinds. They listen to all feedbacks and suggestions, and consider them while sticking to their own story. They may impliment what a fan or fans may have said, but generally they stick to their vision. In this case, EK isn't doing that. She's listening to her patrons who are demanding more fetish content rather than focusing on sticking to her own story. Hell, her own discord is full of yesmen and kiss asses who go REEEE if anyone critisizes her or the game itself. Same goes true for certain other Devs who can't or don't want any feedback or critisism. That doesn't lead to the developer growing as a person. They do what they think everyone likes, have kiss asses who blindly follow and say its the greatest thing since sliced bread, even though you have many who say otherwise, and continue on a path of mediocrity and no true growth.

But honestly, what do you expect here? No one complaining or venting their thoughts on things on an OPEN FORUM? That is all "whining" from us who have thoughts on things and express doubts on the state of things? Oh, you sweet innocent summer child you be...

complain about the authenticity of the free porn game then

 

[GifMeMore1987]

Following this thread I get the feeling some members here spend more time with this game than EK herself (and that's NOT meant as an insult towards her)!

 

[| Vee |]

Following this thread I get the feeling some members here spend more time with this game than EK herself (and that's NOT meant as an insult towards her)!

Being invested in a good story(which was a good story) is not bad imo

 

[| Vee |]

Hey,
I played the game for the first time this year, right before chapter 11 release, and I really really enjoyed. From what I read here there seems to be some reworks, I don't know how things were before and I didn't play GGGB but in my case I think the game is really good and it deserves to be a top game here.

I'm a little anxious for the next update so I looked a little in patreon and it seems that in
2020 - 6 chapters were delivered
2021 - 3 chapters
2022 - 1 chapter
2023 - 1 chapter also

So my question is: What happened? I just read the first few posts in the beginning of each year and wanted to know if guys can tell me why only 2 chapters were release since 2021. Thanks

I'm not sure how much extra thought went into:

"So I heard u like big black dick"
*Eva struggles with the next sentence. Can't quite get it right... until!*
"Uh, yeah."
"Well.."
*what to write.. what to write..*
"Well, how bout DIS big black dick."
(Slurping commences)
*Nailed it! - takes vacation - *

Kidding.. kind of. But I do think some might be overestimating the slowdown on that. Eva has always written with the gardener approach, rather than structuring things out ahead of time. That approach has contributed much to the slowdown since the start of the game so a few changes in character focus wouldn't really affect much time-wise. She's never starting chapters from a mapped-out script.

The thing is If the Dev don't have a story set in her mind and is progressing story on get go than we see very same problems which are with ORS, bringing bullshit characters up to the par by doing rework/s which even dev herself didn't wanted to do but still did it, bringing cameo characters AND including them in main story, Bringing GGGB character (ORS have ton of characters already), original story characters getting sidelined, character inconsistencies and issues with character development/s (as highlighted by Socrambus regarding IanxHolly, IanxCindy, IanxEmma), problems with branching. than cutting down chapters from 20 to 16 and again saying that they may increase them from 16 to 20 and may even exceed 20 in a span of a month.

OH i forgot the infamous writing-block

This all happens when Dev don't have a proper mapped-out script/story set in stone but rather moving story on whim at what Dev feels at the time and to top it all on discord you can't even criticize dev on any of it.

 

[SerHawkes]

Following this thread I get the feeling some members here spend more time with this game than EK herself (and that's NOT meant as an insult towards her)!

No, thats absolutely an insult, and a fitting one at that.

 

[GifMeMore1987]

No, thats absolutely an insult, and a fitting one at that.

 

[ffive]

NGL, i'd rather see another round of cuck debate at this point, than this going on. Too bad there won't be next chapter alpha for a while, to shift the focus.

 

[Gicoo]

Considering how jealous, possessive and hypocritical Lena gets when her love interests pay attention to other women (Axel with Cherry and Cindy, Mike with his gf and Ivy, Ian with Cherry, Cindy and Alison), she could also have cuck content. Though I'm not sure if we have a woman assholish enough to cuck her. Ivy has the best personality for it and kind of does it with Louise, but she is friends with Lena. Cindy and Alison are just too bratty and childish to do so. Minerva could be a excellent candidate, it can also spice up her route which is currently fairly simplistic. If Minerva is a bitch to men, why not also towards women?
At this stage of the game its too late to develop it, I guess Lenas submissive trauma is the equivalent of Ian whining about how Gillian was taken by a another man -> leading to potential being a cuck.

 

[ffive]

Though I'm not sure if we have a woman assholish enough to cuck her.

It's obviously changed_Holly, just going on a fuck spree without care. She already hits on Lena who is in relationship with Ian, she'll have no problem doing it the other way around, too.

 

[Slick Bean]

Holly is just a puppy looking for attention in the wrong parts. Just be mindful it is Ivy and/or Lena who push Holly,
so your assumption she is into anything, or that Lena would care about other women, when Axxel beat her over Cherry,
that is a total other can of worms.

Considering how jealous, possessive and hypocritical Lena gets when her love interests pay attention to other women (Axel with Cherry and Cindy, Mike with his gf and Ivy, Ian with Cherry, Cindy and Alison), she could also have cuck content. Though I'm not sure if we have a woman assholish enough to cuck her. Ivy has the best personality for it and kind of does it with Louise, but she is friends with Lena. Cindy and Alison are just too bratty and childish to do so. Minerva could be a excellent candidate, it can also spice up her route which is currently fairly simplistic. If Minerva is a bitch to men, why not also towards women?
At this stage of the game its too late to develop it, I guess Lenas submissive trauma is the equivalent of Ian whining about how Gillian was taken by a another man -> leading to potential being a cuck.

It's obviously changed_Holly, just going on a fuck spree without care. She already hits on Lena who is in relationship with Ian, she'll have no problem doing it the other way around, too.

Axel Beat Lena, rob threatened her livelyhood, Seymour outright socially ostracized Lena.
What would you do, being afforded the world view of the player?
Is the miriad of paths in this game not enough to cater to your understanding of the story?

 

[dolfe67]

She's listening to her patrons who are demanding more fetish content rather than focusing on sticking to her own story.

How do you know she's not sticking to her own story? Yeah you don't, you just don't like it.

 

[Mfka5]

Yeah, because her patrons are the ones wanting fetish content more so than EKs own story, and she is pandering to them while neglecting her own story. And sure, money talks and generally the more money is put out, the "more attentive" a developer might be to "ideas". Problem with that is is that when you listen to the moneyshakers and pander to their wants and demands, and ignore the might not be able to afford the game or fans who might have some really good ideas or suggestions all because of paywall, well we already know whats happened with that so far with the pandering that has panned out.

Good Devs, and writers for that matter, don't have a paywall just to get an earful of suggestions or surround themselves with yesmen when it comes to suggestions or feedback of all kinds. They listen to all feedbacks and suggestions, and consider them while sticking to their own story. They may impliment what a fan or fans may have said, but generally they stick to their vision. In this case, EK isn't doing that. She's listening to her patrons who are demanding more fetish content rather than focusing on sticking to her own story. Hell, her own discord is full of yesmen and kiss asses who go REEEE if anyone critisizes her or the game itself. Same goes true for certain other Devs who can't or don't want any feedback or critisism. That doesn't lead to the developer growing as a person. They do what they think everyone likes, have kiss asses who blindly follow and say its the greatest thing since sliced bread, even though you have many who say otherwise, and continue on a path of mediocrity and no true growth.

But honestly, what do you expect here? No one complaining or venting their thoughts on things on an OPEN FORUM? That is all "whining" from us who have thoughts on things and express doubts on the state of things? Oh, you sweet innocent summer child you be...

Yes you are whinning.
We already understand you despise EK and everyone else who calls you out on whinning.
But you keep repeating everything hence you are whinning, just move on dude lol