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GGGB vs ORS
It's been a while since Good Girl Gone Bad was finished and Our Red String started development. Looking back on my first game and deeper into the second one, I can't help but compare them and see what lessons I can extract from thet.
The structure and gameplay mechanics in ORS are very similar to the ones in GGGB. The focus was to create an interactive story where the player can influence the plot through several narrative choices. I wanted him to feel he had the power to actually shape the story in a meaningful way, that his actions have a clear effect not only on the outcome of the plot but on the characters themselves. And I wanted to trim all the fat from the experience: no stat grinding, no pointless roaming around and no cumbersome game play cycle. Just a streamlined and engaging story that moved forward and evolved with your choices.
GGGB was my first attempt at something like that and I had no real idea of what I was doing. All I knew was that I wanted to push the branching mechanics to the extreme and give the player as much sense of agency as possible. With that in mind I took the potential of a fairly bland starting point and pushed it in different directions, giving Ashley wildly different possibilities: she started as a fairly normal and innocent girl and could end up becoming a gang leader, dealing drugs and shooting people, and everything in between. The only real mechanic other than tracking the different choice variables was a simple Good vs Bad point system to help the player keep track of his standing, and those points interacted with the gameplay giving you access to special dialogue options and choices, similarly to Mass Effect.
ORS basically takes that system and builds upon it. Instead of a binary point system, now you have different stats and a complementary mechanic with Will points, implementing them to the gameplay in a more dynamic and intrinsic way. The backbone of the experience still is the choice-driven branching storyline, but this time, instead of pushing for the most outlandish variety possible, I wanted to explore choice and consequence on a deeper and more nuanced level. I’d say ORS is building up on what I learned with GGGB, a more mature and better structured version of what erotic VN storytelling is able to offer, but the motivation behind both games is practically the same.
What is your opinion on the matter? Do you think ORS improves on the gameplay compared to GGGB? And which approach do you enjoy more?
Overall, it's an unfair comparison because ORS isn't complete yet. In my opinion, ORS has a better story, the characters have more depth and personality and the visuals are stunning! I think GGGB is better in terms of H-content. So far ORS lacks some diversity and "hardcore" scenes (raw sex, creampies, threesomes, lesbian sex, anal sex and so on), but hopefully that will change soon!
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GGGB vs ORS: Main characters
One of the things that made GGGB unique was the female POV of the story. Most adult VN are written and played by men, so it’s natural the male POV is the prevalent one. When I started GGGB there were a few female POV games out there, but most of them were, how to put this... not too well done.
Writing from a female POV was something that for some reason appealed to me, and I thought I could do a better job than what most people were doing at that moment. It also allowed me to explore some erotic themes from a fresh and cool perspective, and it was just fun. So I took this angle and went with it. Some people had trouble playing from Ashley’s POV, but a lot of you really loved it.
Ashley as a character was rather plain, a fairly simple model that could be easily transformed by your choices. My main contribution was writing her like a coherent character, delving into her inner monologue and elaborating into her feelings and personal relationships. It was fun seeing how this simple girl could change, fight for what she believed in or fall prey to lust. I know most people expected me to keep doing the same when GGGB was finished and ORS was announced, but I knew I didn’t want to repeat myself. It’s important for me to keep things interesting and fun for myself, and I knew I needed to go beyond what Ashley provided as a main character.
The choice of going with a double protagonist was a bold and risky one, but it’s one I stand by. Lena is true to GGGB spirit, giving the player a female POV similar to Ashley’s, but introducing a male POV was something I had been wanting to do for quite a while. Dave, Eric and Jack were NPCs I really enjoyed writing, and often I imagines the story from their perspective. Ian would allow me to create just that, and intertwining his POV with Lena’s also allowed me to explore branching storyline and choice mechanics in a new way I hadn’t seen done before. It was a challenge that motivated me and opened up a lot of new door for me and for the player. But that wasn’t the only change from GGGB.
Some people have said that Ashley felt like a blank slate in which the player could insert his particular vision, compared to Lena and Ian, which feel like their own person, with their own and particular personality and past. That’s not exactly true, since Ashley also has a certain personality and a past. But it’s true Lena and Ian have a lot more entity as characters than her. That’s because they have scars. You could say what builds a character (and what builds our own personalities) are wounds. Let’s look at Harry Potter, for lack of a better example: he carries the literal wound that defines his character on his forehead. Jon Snow is a bastard, Naruto hosts a cursed beast inside him, etc. etc... A good character has a wound that defines him.
Ashley had a background, but no real wounds: those happened during the game and shaped her (Eric leaving, her family falling apart, etc). On the other hand, Lena and Ian start the game heavily defined by a recent wound that ties into their character and their motivations. This is what make them feel more interesting and “real” as characters, and when I talk about ORS being a more focused and nuanced game experience I’m talking about things like these.
I know many of you are on the fence about the new double protagonist approach, but I hope you can enjoy the new angle it provides. Did you like Ashley or Lena more? And do you enjoy having a GGGB-like experience but with a male POV in Ian? I surely enjoy writing it, and playing around with his relationships, especially Cindy's!
That said, Eva Kiss is a queen, she's probably my favorite game developer and I trust in her.
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That's exactly what I wanted to say!Overall, it's an unfair comparison because ORS isn't complete yet. In my opinion, ORS has a better story, the characters have more depth and personality and the visuals are stunning! I think GGGB is better in terms of H-content. So far ORS lacks some diversity and "hardcore" scenes (raw sex, creampies, threesomes, lesbian sex, anal sex and so on), but hopefully that will change soon!
That said, Eva Kiss is a queen, she's probably my favorite game developer and I trust in her.
It's still too soon to make a comparison...GGGB is finished while ORS is still under development, that means that ORS still lacks much of the hot stuff like raw sex, interracial, creampies, anal sex, threesomes and so on.... so a premature judgment would be in favor of GGGB by faaar in my opionion.
That Being said, ORS looks so good, it is really promising and can surpass its predecessor.
GGGB is my favourite game, so many DP's, gangbangs, and crazy shit. I know, that ORS is in development, but it is tooooo soooooft. No anal, no group so far. Hope in future all girls will get their holes stuffed the same time in many group action
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It's still to soon pal. If you'll add all the stuff now the game will lose its appeal.
I hope all the crazy stuff will be added too, but the story should compensate, I don't want a very short story full of sex, lust, perversion... if wanted that I could just go and watch porn.
I want the story to flow smoothly, I want to corrupt Lena step by step, I want to make her the Sluttiest among the Sluttiests.
Hope you are right and she will recieve her dose of double anal )
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OOOh yes she will receive all sorts of things up her ass,
In Eva kiss I trust.
Hope jeremy will plug is thing in her tiny pussy by the way, tearing it apart...so as for her ass, making her unable to walk for days oh gooood I can't wait!
also want to se Ian's bitchy boss gangbanged by bunch of balcks )
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The quality of ORS went up by leaps and bounds, whether that's render quality and quantity, deeper storytelling and characters or just overall polish in the UI and game mechanics. I'm happy to see Evakiss transcend to completely another level in such a short time. The finished game is going to be pretty epic. Getting to play through the wholesome character arcs like Ian+Lena+Holly is defo worth waiting for.
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GGGB vs ORS
It's been a while since Good Girl Gone Bad was finished and Our Red String started development. Looking back on my first game and deeper into the second one, I can't help but compare them and see what lessons I can extract from thet.
The structure and gameplay mechanics in ORS are very similar to the ones in GGGB. The focus was to create an interactive story where the player can influence the plot through several narrative choices. I wanted him to feel he had the power to actually shape the story in a meaningful way, that his actions have a clear effect not only on the outcome of the plot but on the characters themselves. And I wanted to trim all the fat from the experience: no stat grinding, no pointless roaming around and no cumbersome game play cycle. Just a streamlined and engaging story that moved forward and evolved with your choices.
GGGB was my first attempt at something like that and I had no real idea of what I was doing. All I knew was that I wanted to push the branching mechanics to the extreme and give the player as much sense of agency as possible. With that in mind I took the potential of a fairly bland starting point and pushed it in different directions, giving Ashley wildly different possibilities: she started as a fairly normal and innocent girl and could end up becoming a gang leader, dealing drugs and shooting people, and everything in between. The only real mechanic other than tracking the different choice variables was a simple Good vs Bad point system to help the player keep track of his standing, and those points interacted with the gameplay giving you access to special dialogue options and choices, similarly to Mass Effect.
ORS basically takes that system and builds upon it. Instead of a binary point system, now you have different stats and a complementary mechanic with Will points, implementing them to the gameplay in a more dynamic and intrinsic way. The backbone of the experience still is the choice-driven branching storyline, but this time, instead of pushing for the most outlandish variety possible, I wanted to explore choice and consequence on a deeper and more nuanced level. I’d say ORS is building up on what I learned with GGGB, a more mature and better structured version of what erotic VN storytelling is able to offer, but the motivation behind both games is practically the same.
What is your opinion on the matter? Do you think ORS improves on the gameplay compared to GGGB? And which approach do you enjoy more?
However there's one thing missing, the chance to be bad
GGGB felt dangerous in a good way from the get-go. You could make sexy immoral choices AND end up in sketchy situations that might lead to darker sexual content, i.e. getting blackmailed by a gangster. Granted those situations were not that numerous, but the possibility of them always seemed to linger in the air. IMO if we could get this element back ORS would be pretty much perfect. So far there has been a few opportunities for that dangerous feeling again...but nothing sexually inappropriate has actually happened so far. Here's to hoping that will change
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Overall, it's an unfair comparison because ORS isn't complete yet. In my opinion, ORS has a better story, the characters have more depth and personality and the visuals are stunning! I think GGGB is better in terms of H-content. So far ORS lacks some diversity and "hardcore" scenes (raw sex, creampies, threesomes, lesbian sex, anal sex and so on), but hopefully that will change soon!
That said, Eva Kiss is a queen, she's probably my favorite game developer and I trust in her.
sure it's unfair to compare them at this state, although i really like to point out the ingenious idea to play not only 2 protagonists, but both genders. and it doesn't stop there as it's also 2 halves of one relationship. in terms of kink, cheating is definitely a broadly used one and in a lot of games it happens without any focus on it (like dating multiple people, because the dev wanted some more variety in their game). i mean in case of cindy, ian can bring her to cheat on wade. and in case of ashley, she can cheat on your choice of boyfriend/girlfriend. so this is great for those of us who like that, but in ORS we're gonna be able to cheat on ourselves (ian on lena or lena on ian). however this is just an icing on a cake for some of us. what i wanna point out here is that we have full control over 2 people maybe in love together and their relationship. we are seeing their view on events happening around them and can interact with them on both sides, with both genders. even if evakiss wouldn't be the writer she is, trying to pull this off is in it alone admirable.
sure some people made a point that they don't like either one or the other MC, but i honestly think they're missing out on the symbiosis of their storys
For the love of god please somebody make a cheat mod. I don't wanna follow the guide to see the scenes I wanna see. Just make a mod that maxes all stats except will.
I took my save from the beginning of the game and put it on
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So I changed all the status (and the money) to 9999, then I just downloaded it from the site and replaced it with the old save.
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Eva Kiss ruined my enjoyment of NVs - nothing compares to her work in my eyes now. GGGB was just. Amazing. I've gone through pretty much every VN on the first like, 10 pages and GGGB is still supreme. ORS has potential but I don't wanna judge it this early since things are starting to pick up.
Agreed, so far its better and I feel more invested in the characters. Hope the dev keeps the quality up.
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I have seen a lot of opinions about female vs male MC. I'm a man and usually I prefer female ones. Sometimes I wonder why. I guess I never, when wanting to get aroused, and those are porn games after all, watched myself in front of a mirror and thought "Oh, what a nasty boy", but rather thought about a pretty face, put her in a compromising situation and Bob's. That is exactly what GGGB did. I remember first time I read it, v19 it was. It blew my mind. Nevertheless, was GGGB perfect, no. Nothing is. Above the other games. F yes! The anticipation every month. "What is Ash going to do this month?" Yeah, it was a great run to follow. Loved the branched story because everybody get their own kinks, right?
Now ORS. Is the game better. Objectively yes. Two MCs ? Honestly I don't really care about Ian for reasons above. Lena is great and I am also impatient to see her downfall. Personnaly a bit to much dialogs anyway. I get EvaKiss is very ambitious, and thats good, not speaking about obvious talent, but this remain a porn game to me and main if not sole purpose is to get aroused. (I am a huge reader of books when I just want a story).
So can't wait for the trip. Hope Lena will progressively go very very low, keeping her innocent cute face allllll the time. Thanks Eva.
Now ORS. Is the game better. Objectively yes. Two MCs ? Honestly I don't really care about Ian for reasons above. Lena is great and I am also impatient to see her downfall. Personnaly a bit to much dialogs anyway. I get EvaKiss is very ambitious, and thats good, not speaking about obvious talent, but this remain a porn game to me and main if not sole purpose is to get aroused. (I am a huge reader of books when I just want a story).
So can't wait for the trip. Hope Lena will progressively go very very low, keeping her innocent cute face allllll the time. Thanks Eva.
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The game has implemented a cheat mod already buddy, you can chose to have all stats at 10 when you start a new game
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