VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Quintillian]

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Character design (Holly)

In GGGB the role of the nerdy and shy girl fell onto good Ash, kind of. Before coming with the idea for Our Red String, I had another story in mind (maybe I'll talk more about it some day, or maybe I will manage to make a game out of it at some point). There was where the idea of having two main characters first popped up, and the female main character was going to be similar to Holly. She was an archetype I really liked and wanted to incorporate into ORS.

Holly is that kind of shy, adorable girl you want to protect and cuddle with (unless you're a twisted and perverted mofo) and she offered a lot of potential. She also brings a nice contrast with other female characters, and you could say she is in the opposite end of the spectrum when compared to Ivy. To which end will Lena lean to, Ivy or Holly? Or maybe she will help Holly blossom? Or maybe lead her down the rabbit hole...?

Also, she's an accomplished writer who could help Ian achieve his dreams. But what about Holly's dreams? All in all, Holly is a very fun piece to play with in this story, and I'm worried she offers so many possibilities she ends up becoming the kind of character Eva was in GGGB: one with so many variations and possibilities it was a nightmare to write for, and even though I loved her character, I hated writing her parts!

We'll see what lies in store for Holly, and I'm already feeling she's one of your favourite characters.

And what if I want to protect and cuddle while she's bound and gagged?

 

[HeroHate]

When might the update be out?

 

[lockerxx]

When might the update be out?

good question only eva knows.

 

[afc2112]

She's the most consistent dev when it comes to updates.

 

[B0SS_LADY]

When might the update be out?

Based off Eva's last game I don't think this will be the case at all. In her last game you could have Ash a complete drug addicted, gang affiliated, slut in like an hour

2 minutes if you hold down Ctrl

 

[Sherka]

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Character design (Holly)

In GGGB the role of the nerdy and shy girl fell onto good Ash, kind of. Before coming with the idea for Our Red String, I had another story in mind (maybe I'll talk more about it some day, or maybe I will manage to make a game out of it at some point). There was where the idea of having two main characters first popped up, and the female main character was going to be similar to Holly. She was an archetype I really liked and wanted to incorporate into ORS.

Holly is that kind of shy, adorable girl you want to protect and cuddle with (unless you're a twisted and perverted mofo) and she offered a lot of potential. She also brings a nice contrast with other female characters, and you could say she is in the opposite end of the spectrum when compared to Ivy. To which end will Lena lean to, Ivy or Holly? Or maybe she will help Holly blossom? Or maybe lead her down the rabbit hole...?

Also, she's an accomplished writer who could help Ian achieve his dreams. But what about Holly's dreams? All in all, Holly is a very fun piece to play with in this story, and I'm worried she offers so many possibilities she ends up becoming the kind of character Eva was in GGGB: one with so many variations and possibilities it was a nightmare to write for, and even though I loved her character, I hated writing her parts!

We'll see what lies in store for Holly, and I'm already feeling she's one of your favourite characters.

She's my favorite girl in the game

 

[cassiethefriendlysuccubus]

Ooh, I hope Holly gets as much customization options lookwise as Eva. Actually, I hope most of the female characters get some change in looks depending on your choices. My favorite are changes haircut/color, but I also hope to see tattoos, piercings, boobjobs, wardrobe change and even posture. I felt GGGB dropped the ball on the physical changes on any character that was not Eva or Ash, especially in the endings, which had zero final transformations. Hopefully ORS makes up for it now that she has more ressources!

However, I know it will probably take a few months to a year before physical changes starts happening in earnest, but I'm sooo in for the ride in the meantime.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

Ooh, I hope Holly gets as much customization options lookwise as Eva. Actually, I hope most of the female characters get some change in looks depending on your choices. My favorite are changes haircut/color, but I also hope to see tattoos, piercings, boobjobs, wardrobe change and even posture. I felt GGGB dropped the ball on the physical changes on any character that was not Eva or Ash, especially in the endings, which had zero final transformations. Hopefully ORS makes up for it now that she has more ressources!

However, I know it will probably take a few months to a year before physical changes starts happening in earnest, but I'm sooo in for the ride in the meantime.

I agree. I hope the main characters at least get customization options. I can live without the side characters not getting as much attention.

 

[Brickman]

Ooh, I hope Holly gets as much customization options lookwise as Eva. Actually, I hope most of the female characters get some change in looks depending on your choices. My favorite are changes haircut/color, but I also hope to see tattoos, piercings, boobjobs, wardrobe change and even posture. I felt GGGB dropped the ball on the physical changes on any character that was not Eva or Ash, especially in the endings, which had zero final transformations. Hopefully ORS makes up for it now that she has more ressources!

However, I know it will probably take a few months to a year before physical changes starts happening in earnest, but I'm sooo in for the ride in the meantime.

I think we got pretty spoiled by GGGB in that regard. I haven't played a single other game that had character customisation other than maybe picking between two outfits for a particular scene. Most games don't have any customisation at all. IMO that was one of the outstanding things about GGGB, and it was implemented brilliantly. To someone who doesn't draw/program it might not look like it, but the amount of work it takes and was put into that aspect of GGGB is jaw dropping... It seems clear ORS will feature similar mechanics, but let's not be unreasonable with out expectations. After all, it's not like there's someone doing it better, there's no one doing it period.

 

[WRONGS]

I suspect that these two looking exactly like Peter Parker and Mary Jane is no coincidence...

 

[ShamanLab]

I suspect that these two looking exactly like Peter Parker and Mary Jane is no coincidence...

Exactly! This is vivid sight of creativity crisis. Author just walking easiest from possible ways without even trying to deliver something original.

 

[cassiethefriendlysuccubus]

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I think we got pretty spoiled by GGGB in that regard. I haven't played a single other game that had character customisation other than maybe picking between two outfits for a particular scene. Most games don't have any customisation at all. IMO that was one of the outstanding things about GGGB, and it was implemented brilliantly. To someone who doesn't draw/program it might not look like it, but the amount of work it takes and was put into that aspect of GGGB is jaw dropping... It seems clear ORS will feature similar mechanics, but let's not be unreasonable with out expectations. After all, it's not like there's someone doing it better, there's no one doing it period.

I'm not talking about customisation in the sense of being able to choose every element of the wardrobe or style for every given scene - that is outside of what a single dev and one or two artists can do. What I'm talking about is more about having the character's "corruption" show up physically. For me that's the biggest aspect of corruption stories - the change of look. So I really wish it will be a part of the game. At the very least, I'd like all characters who get corrupted to get more than a simple change of clothes - I would have loved to see Jessica with bigger implants, like she teased at one point. Or for Iris' makeover to be more than just a few tattoos, especially in the ending where she becomes a porn star. I really wanted her to go full street slut.

I recognize that this is a lot of work. However, I think one thing that could be done to reduce the amount of work is to, paradoxically, reduce customisation a bit in favor of story-based "packaging" of change. What I mean by that is that changes should be tied to routes, rather than offer you a direct choice. So, for example, if you go with route 1, then Holly WILL get her tongue pierced and cut her hair short. If you go with route 2, Holly WILL keep her hair long but untie it and remove her sweater, etc. But you can't get long hair with pierced tongue. No more going to the shop and choosing each tattoo/piercing individually. You'd still get a choice, but the choice would be about story direction, and not individual modification. A good example of what I'm talking about is Bimbo Ash route - the moment you choose "Adopt a new identity," you are locked into blonde hair and bigger lips. You cannot have blonde hair with natural lips, or fake lips with red hair. And you can't have blonde hair or fake lips without big boobs. Doing that across the board would reduce the number of minor variation EvaKiss needs to think about considerably. I'm fine with sacrificing some fine-tuning in exchange for more numerous and more extensive transformation.

 

[gobbet]

Exactly! This is vivid sight of creativity crisis. Author just walking easiest from possible ways without even trying to deliver something original.

 

[Brickman]

Don't feed the troll

 

[WRONGS]

Someone said at the GGGB thread that Eva Kiss is from Spain, and you can totally tell by how the supposedly American characters keep greeting each other by kissing both cheeks.

 

[SpikeZg]

guys, do you think we will see the first sex scene in 0.2 update?
and who will it be?

 

[WRONGS]

Ivy + Jeremy would be my bet.

 

[SpikeZg]

Ivy + Jeremy would be my bet.

yeah, i thought of them aswell
and Jeremy showing the pic to Ian the next day

 

[dundun]

Someone said at the GGGB thread that Eva Kiss is from Spain, and you can totally tell by how the supposedly American characters keep greeting each other by kissing both cheeks.

As far as I know she only said her mother language is spanish, so that could also mean large parts in middle- and southamerica.

guys, do you think we will see the first sex scene in 0.2 update?
and who will it be?

I sure hope so. My money is on Axel and Lena. Ah, makeup sex ...

 

[BloodyMares]

Ooh, I hope Holly gets as much customization options lookwise as Eva. Actually, I hope most of the female characters get some change in looks depending on your choices. My favorite are changes haircut/color, but I also hope to see tattoos, piercings, boobjobs, wardrobe change and even posture. I felt GGGB dropped the ball on the physical changes on any character that was not Eva or Ash, especially in the endings, which had zero final transformations. Hopefully ORS makes up for it now that she has more ressources!

However, I know it will probably take a few months to a year before physical changes starts happening in earnest, but I'm sooo in for the ride in the meantime.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I couldn't care less about the change in looks and equating it to "progression". The looks and style are all fluff. It shouldn't matter how everyone chooses to dress, whether they have tattoos or not or if they have their nipples pierced or not. This is not important. You can be in one mood and dress one way and do your hair a bit differently but then you might not feel so good after a particularly shitty day and just dress more casually. Happens all the time. A liberated horny girl doesn't have to have tramp stamps, piercings all over the place or dress like a skank. It makes the change seem artificial and makes the characters seem like one-dimensional dolls that don't have a backbone, the one thing Eva tries to improve with this game.
I think any change in looks should correspond with each girl's personality. Like, look at Cindy for example. She dresses quite casually, probably has clean skin without any tattoos and yet she looks stunning because she knows her worth. She doesn't have insecurities of Ashley that would make her change her look to attract more attention. She already got it covered. She might have a stylish dress that she would wear occasionally, she probably has a skirt as well. But she might not like tattoos and piercings no matter what and find them completely tasteless. Or, in Holly's case, she might not want to deal with any pain that comes with doing a tattoo or a piercing.
I think some people are overly fixated on the idea of body modification being necessary for characters to change. Not everyone has to become a bimbo slut with fake tits. If everyone looks and acts the same in the end, all variety becomes pointless.

If I had to choose between better-written characters with fleshed-out personality and less customization over having lots of change look-wise but unrealistic characters with no clear personality, I would choose good writing every time.