WShinigami

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Jessica's behaviour is linked to Robert and Mike, If Lena has sex with even one of em thn Jessica turns out to be a bad bitch. It sucks though cause you have to reject both of them for Good Jessica.:(
Get it, in the my romance route in fact i'm trying to be most faithful possible and I didn't go with the two of them.
 

BloodyMares

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I'd also point out that the extent to which Ian can be nice about it is him saying "Everyone has their fetishes.", hardly a glowing defense of trans women.
So saying a neutral thing to avoid being sucked into the argument with your friends is now bad? Real-life is not Twitter where you have to attack everyone with a different opinion and educate them immediately. If you do that to your friends, you won't have any friends. And as someone already said, the subject was porn, not trans-issues. I understand the criticism towards Wade, since he's uncultured in that department. But come on, it's obvious that everyone present in the scene has different opinions. Perry likes trans porn, Wade is close-minded about it, Emma is very open-minded about everything, Alison and Cindy don't like porn in general. Cindy is actually the most trans-friendly of the bunch, saying to Perry that watching trans-porn doesn't make you pro-trans, since you're making a fetish out of trans women. Do you absolutely need Ian to go all political in that scene and start a heated argument to ruin the mood for everyone? It's not in his character, he just came to have fun with his friends, he's got a lot of bullshit to deal with as it is.
 

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My favorite scenes from this latest update:

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On the other hand I am sure that in the next chapter we will see more of Seymour and Axel. Basically Ian says in this episode that he has to remind Lena to give Seymour her manuscript, and I'm sure he will ask Lena for something in return.

In another way, I think that later there will be a temporary jump of a few years. With all the characters married or with a family who are suddenly intertwined again by that red string. Okey, I admit it, I just want to see Lena as a young MILF :devilish:.

how do you get 2? when i tried loise just quit
 

lifegetsweird

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So saying a neutral thing to avoid being sucked into the argument with your friends is now bad? Real-life is not Twitter where you have to attack everyone with a different opinion and educate them immediately. If you do that to your friends, you won't have any friends. And as someone already said, the subject was porn, not trans-issues. I understand the criticism towards Wade, since he's uncultured in that department. But come on, it's obvious that everyone present in the scene has different opinions. Perry likes trans porn, Wade is close-minded about it, Emma is very open-minded about everything, Alison and Cindy don't like porn in general. Cindy is actually the most trans-friendly of the bunch, saying to Perry that watching trans-porn doesn't make you pro-trans, since you're making a fetish out of trans women. Do you absolutely need Ian to go all political in that scene and start a heated argument to ruin the mood for everyone? It's not in his character, he just came to have fun with his friends, he's got a lot of bullshit to deal with as it is.
I don't have the script at hand, but playing through the scene I felt that the language was borderline dehumanizing. The range of reactions went from calling trans women "men with tits", to saying trans women are an okay fetish to have.

It's whatever. It's Eva's game to write and she's entitled to have as much transphobia in it as he wants, but I'm entitled to my opinion and in my opinion this part was unnecessary and pretty telling of certain biased and beliefs.
 

Mrsubtle

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I'd also point out that the extent to which Ian can be nice about it is him saying "Everyone has their fetishes.", hardly a glowing defense of trans women.
The game is still Fiction, and there are plenty alternatives on this site.
And seeing the subject matter Eva might have plans for it seeing the previous game had a Chick with a Dick. So who knows.
No need to get fussy.
 

lifegetsweird

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Within the context of that convo, Ian launching into a pro-trans diatribe would be very inorganic. I think saying "everyone has their fetishes" is about as anyone can say in a situation with someone's long time friends.
Saying that trans people are people not fetishes is hardly a diatribe. It could at least be an option, considering we're supposed to be given a range of responses to pick from.

I like how that scene is constructed. Considering Eva already did an okay-to-excellent portrayal of a trans person in the previous game, I think we should accept it as such, a storytelling moment.
An okay-to-excellent portrayal of trans people? The only trans character in GGGB is introduced in a scene where she assaults a woman in a bathroom, and is later revealed to be a prostitute. Stellar representation, yes.
 
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So saying a neutral thing to avoid being sucked into the argument with your friends is now bad? Real-life is not Twitter where you have to attack everyone with a different opinion and educate them immediately. If you do that to your friends, you won't have any friends. And as someone already said, the subject was porn, not trans-issues. I understand the criticism towards Wade, since he's uncultured in that department. But come on, it's obvious that everyone present in the scene has different opinions. Perry likes trans porn, Wade is close-minded about it, Emma is very open-minded about everything, Alison and Cindy don't like porn in general. Cindy is actually the most trans-friendly of the bunch, saying to Perry that watching trans-porn doesn't make you pro-trans, since you're making a fetish out of trans women. Do you absolutely need Ian to go all political in that scene and start a heated argument to ruin the mood for everyone? It's not in his character, he just came to have fun with his friends, he's got a lot of bullshit to deal with as it is.
I initally wasn't too fond of that scene either. Not in a "this is scandalous" way, more that it propably could have been solved a bit better. After replaying it I think the arguments are more balanced than I initially thought, though. But if you choose to make fun of Perry, Ian is the one who's introducing the term "dickgirls". For me, that makes the comment propably more disrespectul towards trans people than towards Perry, so the issue might be that the choice you make and the dialogue it leads to feels less coordinated than in most other cases. I don't consider it a big issue, but I think it's the kind of topic people feel is worth raising simply because Eva Kiss' writing generally is so much better and more nuanced than most other AVN developers.

Edit: A solution could for example have been to include one addition choice option where Ian shuts down Wade in a firm, but non confrontational way. "They're not just kinks, they're real people too, you know." It wouldn't have to be a bigger deal than that, and I think that would be in line with Ian's personality in most scenarios.
 
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dontcarewhateverno

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Does anyone know a game that's this good script wise and graphics-wise? All that comes to my mind are just BADIK, Mirror Mine, GGGB (of course), Connected (abandoned sadly) and JOHN. These games are like finding a fking needle in a haystack!
For games with a more realistic(ish) theme, I really like Dr Amana, Sexual Therapist. Still earlier in development. I've got other suggestions for well written adult games also, though they're more on the cartoony/comedic tip or are based in sci-fi/fantasy.

As for the writing in most games on this site... yeah. Fucking terrible.

Average NTR: "Honey I would like you for to be slut now." "Oh. I don't know. I'm nice girl" "Please?" "Oh, well ok. Who shuld I fucks?"

Average Fam: "Your so lame n creepy can't believe your my stepbro. Ugh!" "Screw you. I'll take shower now." "Open in. I need to pee assho- oh man didn't know you are so big. Wow (but still a jerk)". Sleeping, 5 hours later: Knock knock. "Hey Step bro. My bed is broke."

Average Harem-... well, I won't go on.
 
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RC-1138 Boss

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Jessica's behaviour is linked to Robert and Mike, If Lena has sex with even one of em thn Jessica turns out to be a bad bitch. It sucks though cause you have to reject both of them for Good Jessica.:(
I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision.
Lena already barely has any relationship in the game so far when compared to Ian (not including protagonists fucking each other) and to not get the depressing and drugged version of Jessica you need to cut off two out of three of Lena's possibles sexual partners . :FacePalm:
 

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That scene is when Lena comes home from the party. Louise will be waiting in her bed...
Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about the scene where Louise and Ivy kneel down in front of Jeremy. That is what I want to discover in my gameplay.
 

BloodyMares

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I initally wasn't too fond of that scene either. Not in a "this is scandalous" way, more that it propably could have been solved a bit better. After replaying it I think the arguments are more balanced than I initially thought, though. But if you choose to make fun of Perry, Ian is the one who's introducing the term "dickgirls". For me, that makes the comment propably more disrespectul towards trans people than towards Perry, so the issue might be that the choice you make and the dialogue it leads to feels less coordinated than in most other cases. I don't consider it a big issue, but I think it's the kind of topic people feel is worth raising simply because Eva Kiss' writing generally is so much better and more nuanced than most other AVN developers.
I think it's the beauty of it. People are different. And it's very clear in that scene, where everyone has a different opinion. Not everyone is perfect. And with the choices, Ian can be a decent guy or a massive asshole to his friends or in general. I mean, after being rejected by Jessica, he can say "You're not even that hot" or be mean towards Alison. For a dude who can say these things, is kink-shaming Perry for liking trans-girls in porn really such a big deal? Eva Kiss doesn't paint these kinds of comments in a positive light. Wade comes across as a douche and Perry as a sensible guy. And Ian can either be a bigger douche and kink-shame Perry, or be neutral, because even if he'd like to defend trans-girls, it's Wade's birthday. Antagonizing him on his birthday is being a bad friend. And again, the heated argument would sour the mood for everyone. There's time and place for everything. I see nothing wrong when Eva leaves a choice to the player whether to act transphobic or not. The game shouldn't feel like preaching.

And these sensitive reactions are exactly the reason why Eva is uncomfortable writing any gay/bi content. Because no matter how she does it, she'll end up pissing someone off who'll be very quick to go all cancel-culture on her.
 

Cabot

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An okay-to-excellent portrayal of trans people? The only trans character in GGGB is introduced in a scene where she assaults a woman in a bathroom, and is later revealed to be a prostitute. Stellar representation, yes.
It has been explained many times: Jasmine was a request of a high-tier patron (at the start of GGGB's development there was a tier that let you do that, Nat was another example), a trans herself, that asked for her to be displayed that way.

Btw, Eva is trying to tell a story not writing a pollitical essay. There are transphobic people (and language) in the world, as there are nazis, sexists and Michael Bolton fans; should an author refrain to introduce such nasty characters in his work if he sees fit?
 
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