VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[BloodyMares]

Why are we relaying critisism from a pirate site to Eva? Shouldn't it be from those patrons who pay to voice their concerns or something? I mean I love reading discussions here no matter how heated they are. But is it that significant to make the dev make a change because people here don't like it?

They are complaining about Eva not having a whole picture, so what the hell. If Eva wants to dismiss it, she has all the right for it, and I agree that ideally if you want something changed, you should be a supporter.

 

[Cicica]

Not that Eva necessarily has to listen to a priate forum discussion, but why should she limit herself only patreons either? If anything, isolating your creative outreach to a limited section of her userbase won't grow her creative abilities. I'd argue that there are fewer filters for people to reveal their honesty through here.

Exactly. People who pay to her could ask for gay content all day and night long. It doesn't mean that she has to deliver, if she doesn't feel like it, unless she's a total sellout, of course, in which case, felicidades.

 

[Cicica]

They are complaining about Eva not having a whole picture, so what the hell. If Eva wants to dismiss it, she has all the right for it, and I agree that ideally if you want something changed, you should be a supporter.

If you are a "supporter", it doesn't mean that she'll automatically change things because you payed for her bills. Not paying is also a way of expressing the feel of change, even though from the creator stand point it is not ideal. But it happens in businesses every time.

 

[Nymphonomicon]

What ending did you get?

Probably went after Wade or something else...

 

[BloodyMares]

Beside the pirate thing, it's a forum more than anything else, so people can express their opinions here better than on her Patreon page.

Or, you can express your opinion on non-pirated Discord where she reads the feedback. It's even easier on Discord because you don't have to constantly refresh your page.

 

[Nymphonomicon]

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Given some of the text/thoughts of hers, I think that might be the relationship she had with Axel...

 

[Cicica]

Or, you can express your opinion on non-pirated Discord where she reads the feedback. It's even easier on Discord because you don't have to constantly refresh your page.

Yes, but at the same time I don't want an app beeping on my computer all day long. I've been on the discord and it's a mess. Plus, I still don't believe she reads all the messages as then she wouldn't have much time to work on the game.
At the same time, I see you have a problem with this being a pirate website.
It's nice at least that you are here to read the opinions and are active as well on this pirated site, which can give her an insight of our opinion.

 

[godoff95]

Given some of the text/thoughts of hers, I think that might be the relationship she had with Axel...

One of the pictures with Axel has a collar i think

 

[BunnyDevil]

Lol, that SJW police is here too. Its a goddamn porngame after all. The whole porn genre is based on domination, racism, hate, abuse, violence and humiliation of someone. On anything that can make us feel strong emotions.

Now they somehow find hate speech in trans dialogues and blame Eva for a racism. Isn't interracial genre is racism itself, because it associates black males with sexual stereotypes about them? Isn't porn toxic masculine thing itself, considering it has a lot of scenes of male dominance? Eva didn't even tried to offend someone. Cmon guys, just have some boundaries on your leftist marxist bullshit and learn to take it easy.

I'm not saying we should hate someone or be bullies. It's absolutely unacceptable. But going radical on the left side and censoring someone is something that comunists do.

 

[redraw]

Who is being censored?

It's a discussion. A pretty even-handed one, at least from the past few pages ..

That's speech.

 

[BlandChili]

Lol, that SJW police is here too. Its a goddamn porngame after all. The whole porn genre is based on domination, racism, hate, abuse, violence and humiliation of someone. On anything that can make us feel strong emotions.

But it's also a choice based game. I see no reason why we can't voice the interest in at least having the option of standing up to some things. Just because it's a porn game doesn't mean that BBC should be forced down my throat (eh?) either. We have many options in this game.
Having the additional option to say "hey trans are people, yo" hardly seems like a stretch in a game of this nature and boiling it down to "Reeeeee SJW shills!" is pathetic and insincere too.

I'm not saying we should hate someone or be bullies. It's absolutely unacceptable. But going radical on the left side and censoring someone is something that comunists do.

Weird finish. Democracies ward against hate speech too. I see nothing radical in this thread so far.

 

[Cicica]

Lol, that SJW police is here too. Its a goddamn porngame after all. The whole porn genre is based on domination, racism, hate, abuse, violence and humiliation of someone. On anything that can make us feel strong emotions.

Now they somehow find hate speech in trans dialogues and blame Eva for a racism. Isn't interracial genre is racism itself, because it associates black males with sexual stereotypes about them? Isn't porn toxic masculine thing itself, considering it has a lot of scenes of male dominance? Eva didn't even tried to offend someone. Cmon guys, just have some boundaries on your leftist marxist bullshit and learn to take it easy.

I'm not saying we should hate someone or be bullies. It's absolutely unacceptable. But going radical on the left side and censoring someone is something that comunists do.

There's difference between opinion and censorship, tovarish... Look at what democracy made of you

 

[BloodyMares]

It's nice at least that you are here to read the opinions and are active as well on this pirated site, which can give her an insight of our opinion.

Well, I'm not having an issue with a forum per se (since I was here long before I made my way to the top), I just think that considering her patrons are her target audience, it's not a stretch to assume that their opinion is of most value to her. It's not being a sellout, it's being practical. You have to be dumb to alienate your patrons in favor of the approval of people who don't even pay. And so far, patrons seem to be satisfied with what she does, otherwise, they could voice their opinion directly to her, and paradoxically, I haven't seen any negative opinions from high-paying patrons when they're the ones entitled to have negative feedback if they have any.
I might have some personal issues with the game (didn't like how the storyline with Mike started and don't like the Lust outfit), but because I only do a service for her and am not currently her patron, I don't feel like I can complain about stuff I personally dislike, it's her vision after all and I respect it.

 

[redraw]

I respect her vision immensely -- but that does not brook all criticism.

She'll do what she chooses in the end .. but we're all better off with more understanding than less.

 

[Cicica]

Well, I'm not having an issue with a forum per se (since I was here long before I made my way to the top), I just think that considering her patrons are her target audience, it's not a stretch to assume that their opinion is of most value to her. It's not being a sellout, it's being practical. You have to be dumb to alienate your patrons in favor of the approval of people who don't even pay. And so far, patrons seem to be satisfied with what she does, otherwise, they could voice their opinion directly to her, and paradoxically, I haven't seen any negative opinions from high-paying patrons when they're the ones entitled to have negative feedback if they have any.
I might have some personal issues with the game (didn't like how the storyline with Mike started and don't like the Lust outfit), but because I only do a service for her and am not currently her patron, I don't feel like I can complain about stuff I personally dislike, it's her vision after all and I respect it.

I have to agree with you, partly. But at the same time, the thing with pleasing patrons is tricky, because and I am sure she knows this, patrons change more than on a monthly basis, while not the entire patron line, some of it does, so she can't possibly keep up with all the preferences of all people who pay her for her project, it is impractical to do so. I am a believer of listening to the opinion of the majority and then if opinions are tied, maybe try and give both a choice, so you try to please as many people as you can. Or, you can do your own thing and see who follows, that's maybe a more pragmatic way, but it works once you establish yourself in the "industry" if you will.

 

[redraw]

And for whatever it is worth ..

 

[BlandChili]

I just think that considering her patrons are her target audience, it's not a stretch to assume that their opinion is of most value to her. It's not being a sellout, it's being practical. You have to be dumb to alienate your patrons in favor of the approval of people who don't even pay.

Don't disagree necessarily, I just think creators should be open about where they get their feedback too. It's a measure, right? You should obviously have enough confidence to sift through garbage arguments but that doesn't mean that there isn't any value to be found. To dismiss it entirely would seem like a lost source of inspiration to me personally, but as you say Eva is her own person and capable of making her own decisions.

I might have some personal issues with the game (didn't like how the storyline with Mike started and don't like the Lust outfit), but because I only do a service for her and am not currently her patron, I don't feel like I can complain about stuff I personally dislike, it's her vision after all and I respect it.

You do you. I see no disrespect in sharing an opinion though. I discuss the material on this forum because I like the discussions and because people have no reason to hold their opinions back. I like the openess. I don't partake because I expect Evakiss to read it and conform to my specific desires. If I had her ear I'd get her to add a lesbian character for example!

 

[BunnyDevil]

When you question if Eva has the right to write in one way or in another, that's the censorship and not the discussion. She can do whatever she wants in her game, unless she is not offending.

The discussion is when you share you preferences, fetishes etc, but not when you talk if she is allowed to write something or not. We are not judges, and we have no right to judge, if we are not being offended or bulled.

If you don't like it, you just don't pay for it. Period.

 

[BlandChili]

When you question if Eva has the right to write in one way or in another, that's the censorship and not the discussion. She can do whatever she wants in her game, unless she is not offending.

The discussion is when you share you preferences, fetishes etc, but not when you talk if she is allowed to write something or not. We are not judges, and we have no right to judge, if we are not being offended or bulled.

If you don't like it, you just don't pay for it. Period.

Can you specify where this issue takes place? Some people obviously talk about material they could do without but I don't think anyone has made the claim that Eva does not have the right to make what she desires.

 

[Cicica]

When you question if Eva has the right to write in one way or in another, that's the censorship and not the discussion. She can do whatever she wants in her game, unless she is not offending.

The discussion is when you share you preferences, fetishes etc, but not when you talk if she is allowed to write something or not. We are not judges, and we have no right to judge, if we are not being offended or bulled.

If you don't like it, you just don't pay for it. Period.

Well, some of us, if not most, suggested that the best way to handle this was to give the player CHOICE of whether they want that conversation or not... So, again, no censorship applied.