VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[dundun]

Eva has a history of not having a problem with supplying that sort of material too. I don't think the substance, if you will, will be deciding

I think we agree that ORS will be less extreme than GGGB. EvaKiss has pretty much stated as so. GGGB had a 'porn route', her Instagram, but all the sex was either solo or with other characters. Ashley could also prostitute herself several times, but that were single incidents, not a route. So I doubt there will be a porn- or prostitution career for Lena in the game. Maybe a end state, likely single cases where Lena can whore herself out and obviously a Stalkfap path, but this will be more about people she knows. Well, that is my opinion at least. We'll see

 

[mannice431]

Everyone's speaking about potential paths Lena may go down but i'm actually more interested in seeing how Ian develops, i think the whole tournament thing that Eva keeps hyping up could be a pretty big branching off point in the story.

I can't wait

 

[BlandChili]

Everyone's speaking about potential paths Lena may go down but i'm actually more interested in seeing how Ian develops, i think the whole tournament thing that Eva keeps hyping up could be a pretty big branching off point in the story.

I can't wait

I think this aspect of Lena gets more attention because, at the end of the day, for many this is mainly a porn game and stereotypically/traditionally/generally we expect the female character to pursue such themes in a more professional manner than what is likely to happen with the male pov character.

Even so, I also feel like Ian's book pursuits lack some short-term payoff. With Lena's music you generally have an impression of how well you are doing because you gain willpower for making the right choices with her song writing. The tournament thing is still fairly new, but it's a concept that's fairly easy to grasp: Ian's gun' be fightin' sum' blokes, yeah? Watching his potential success will be fun of course, but so far we only really know that the tournament will happen and not what stakes will come with it.

 

[knightoflisbon]

Like Billy seems kinda sleazy, so I could see a path where he does some heavy-handed manipulation where he puts Ivy and Lena against other models (or eachother) to get a job by doing sexual favors.

I love the concept of girls doing sexual favors to get what they want so something like that would be so sick. Looking forward to the Ed path in that regard, too.

 

[scudamore]

I Hope in a more later version of this game, i could choose a path like this

1. Ian and Lena is a couple but they never had sex (hmm yeah maybe just kissing, rubbing breast or maybe a handjob, but no penetration), because Lena think that become a couple with Ian just because of pure love, she want to wait until marriage to have sex with him, so it's unnecessary right now.

2. Lena and Robert become sex buddies, If Lena want sex with him, that could immediately going to happen, same goes to Robert. Because they already had sex (twice) before Lena become a couple with Ian, so she addicted to have sex with Robert.

3. Lena with Axel... well maybe Axel had a porn company, and Lena unfortunately become a model for him because a blackmail from axel. So she has no choice and get on with it.

4. Lena with a rich man from the last update (sorry i forgot the name), Lena be a model but in the end become a personal secretary for him or maybe a pet in the office.

Actually there's some scenario that i liked to happen in the game, but this is the most that i want to happen. Yeahh that was just my opinion

This is my post from June 2020. And wowww, my expectation at that time nearly happening right now (i hope). Except for no 3, bcs Axel n Lena had a good relationship (in my route). And bcs of that, i think more sex scene would be happen between them in the future.

 

[BloodyMares]

so even though a porn route might not be that new and exciting, EK can still do another spin on it for the story to be still interesting and enjoyable. anyway old is not immediately bad.

Not being required to become a bimbo to start a porn career would already make it feel fresh. I'm sure some popular nude models were at least once offered to participate in porn/near-porn shoots. Particularly, Veronica Zemanova comes to mind where there's a video going around of her shooting with a guy, giving him handjob and some boobjob, but when he seems to move in to penetrate her, she stops and bails, making it the most hardcore content in her career. At the same time, she did quite a bit of solo photo shoots with toys and some girl on girl.

So it would be perfectly in theme for Lena to be offered the same or to be approached by a porn company if she climbs the ladder high (unless she has a lot of lust and decides to audition on her own), and it wouldn't require some weird conditions such as going to a lame tv show that exposes her to everyone and ruins her previous life.

The problem with a 'porn route' is that it is boring. ORS is about relationships not random sex. Porn (and prostitution, for that matter) are not about that, it is just sex without any meaning. It is OK for an ending, like in GGGB but I don't believe there will be regular porn-scenes.

That's debatable. I think execution determines if the route is boring or not. In GGGB, the porn wasn't exactly a "route". It was mostly an outcome, where Ash loses every moral, makes dumb decisions, gets exposed, gets her life ruined, etc. The porn is more like the only option she has left because everyone else rejects her, and that's why she can accept it so easily and change so drastically. It's to say "Ashley Graham is dead. Now it's Ash Foxxxy". Ultimate corruption equal to the Thug boss Ashley.

In ORS it can be more nuanced, where it doesn't necessarily mean corruption that results in "OMG, I'm a cock-hungry whore" Lena, but either an extension of her creative personality (to create tasteful porn that is erotic and exciting but isn't "dirty"), or as a necessity due to money problems or simply because she's curious to try something new, and maybe unleash her sumbissive personality on the set without suffering any heartbreaks. In addition, she can maybe click with one of the porn actors that might result in a relationship, for those who don't want to pursue the "obvious" Ian choice and don't like any of the other male characters. And that route might provide a lot of options for drama, too. It's not just the sex in the industry, there are a lot of BTS stuff going on that we usually don't see or pay attention to.
Do her parents get to know or can she keep them in the dark? Does she tell them and gets accepted or do they disown her? And if they do, will Molly and Ed adopt her, ultimately fulfilling their wish to become parents? That path can also intersect with Ian's voyeur path, and it would no doubt be a challenge for their relationship. Do they keep a loving relationship or they lose the spark? How do her friends react to her new outlet? Can she keep her social circle, or would she have to replace them with friends from the industry? Can she keep a cool head, or will her submissive personality overtake her to end up being abused and taken advantage of? Can she succeed in that career or will she stumble and fall like Jessica in GGGB?

 

[Cabot]

The reason why the content is inaccessible is because the way the code is structured, Eva needs to be craving bbc and still be Ash's girlfriend to trigger the "open relationship" scene, but if she is craving bbc after getting gangbanged in Tyrone's party then she always breaks up with Ash before the "open relationship" resolution has a chance to trigger (she breaks up with Ash and they agree to be "sex buddies" instead of lovers). There is a chance it might be intentional since maybe EvaKiss felt the "open relationship" and "sexfriends" routes were too similar, but I think it is a coding mishap that never got officially patched.

Yeah, that's the "nasty bug" I talked about in passing here:

And something parallel happened with Eva, let her have a taste of BBC and the wholesome pairing was doomed (altough that route had a nasty bug that persisted through the whole game).

It was reported during development, but EvaKiss never got to fix it, so with time the whole sub-route ended up in limbo (KOTOR II had literally planets like that, lol). Eva -the character- had already plenty of statuses and possible endings, almost as much as Ash, so probably one more wasn't needed, though I still miss that one and am convinced it's exclusion was born from that bug.

Regarding the porn/escort route in ORS I still think it could be related to the money issue. Economics haven't played a real role in the game yet, yeah the mechanic is there and the characters talk about it all the time, but they still haven't “feel” its effects.

Thing is… it can be difficult to implement in-game: it’s not advisable to strip the player of choice because of it (“sorry, you have to take that job from Billy because at this point you have no money and still have to eat, so no option to say no for you, save some money next playthrough”), and something like it leading to a premature “bad” ending probably would be too extreme.

Maybe a long-term money goal? Like BG II did during its second act, where you needed a big amount of money to progress in the story which pushed you to do more sidequest. Let the player know the MC needs to reach a substantial level of income or net worth in the long run or they will face a bad outcome in the end (pay for Lena’s father treatment, don’t be evicted from home, publish your work, whatever), and then let the player decide which way to do it, but with some sense of urgency now absent… I don’t know.

Some players will jump at the porn/escorting route no matter what, but for others that kind of thing will add a temptation element (“is the quick buck worth it?”), while adding drama to the story and justifying from the characters pov some decisions they could be reluctant to make being who they are.

 

[Deleted member 2741684]

maybe in the future Ivy and Lena can collaborate somehow with double dildo or a strap on

Perry's happy grin (when he was listening to Emma) told me he'd like to be a victim of a strap on

 

[grohotor]

At the start and im a bit confused. Wade mentions that he is looking for a job and he is cashing in unemployment but a few lines later Ian talks about Wade having a stable job.

 

[Brickman]

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If you've given Minerva enough reasons to, she will be sporting a new office attire in this new chapter. She's finally done away with that stupid scarf. I hated drawing it almost as much as Ian hates seeing it, though it provided him a convenient way to shut Minerva up, if you know what I mean

What do you think of this new outfit design? Do you think it fits Minerva?

 

[bauman]

Hopefully, the next big change for Minerva is getting rid of the perpetual stank face.

 

[ehct2332]

I do wonder if such a route will go for a more "broken" tone (troubled girl is forced to give up on all her artistic aspirations and becomes just a sex object for an exploitative industry) or if it will give it an "empowering" spin (Lena finds in her lust the passion she had been seeking all this time, and embraces porn acting as performance art, the form of expression that finally clicks with her life).

Perhaps Eva will give the player the choice. Who knows?

Between the "broken" tone and "empowering" spin, I'm leaning towards the latter as the more convincing of the two. It goes back to what I've said in the past about Lena's affinity for the darker, more taboo side of her sexuality. While there is obvious truth in the view that Lena's corruption path is largely a response to economic survival and independence, I'm not sure that it would make much literary sense to have her hate every second of this experience if she meanders down this route. She strikes me as too intelligent to fall prey to an exploitative industry, at least long-term. From a writer's perspective, it would make sense if she objects to certain aspects of this path, but genuinely enjoys and embraces most of what it offers.

 

[Cabot]

While there is obvious truth in the view that Lena's corruption path is largely a response to economic survival and independence, I'm not sure that it would make much literary sense to have her hate every second of this experience if she meanders down this route.

Sure, but beginning to do it for the money doesn't mean you can't get to enjoy it with time... or at least don't hate every second of it. And that might also make sense character wise, Axel's photoshoot it's a good example: Lena can be not fully on board with it but go ahead for different reasons (economics among them) and then get flustered and almost lose control in the end.

EDIT: What I don’t see fitting Lena’s personality would be doing it just for the sake of it or simply as a way to explore her sexuality (Ivy: “Hey, girl, let’s do porn and prostitute ourselves”, Lena: “Yay, let’s do that!”), she could have done that before and didn’t even cross her mind. Imho she would need more reasons/incentives, Ivy on the other hand...

 

[ehct2332]

Sure, but beginning to do it for the money doesn't mean you can get to enjoy it with time... or at least don't hate every second of it. And that might also make sense character wise, Axel's photoshoot it's a good example: Lena can be not fully on board with it but go ahead for different reasons (economics among them) and then get flustered and almost lose control in the end.

It's early days. Initially, of course it makes complete sense for her to feel uncomfortable in front of Seymour, Agnes and Axel, especially as she was more or less put on the spot. I'm not denying that. My point is that we can infer, from the plot thus far, that she has a side to her that may very well give her more pleasure than her conscious mind is willing to accept. I'm thinking of "the stacked Polaroids," the feeling of being dominated by Axel, which she describes as a "strong mix of emotions" and an "irresistible cocktail." If the player lets Lena give in to her suppressed desires, this is what we get. Eva may want to explore this corruption path further, regardless of the players earlier choices. We have to wait and see.

 

[BlandChili]

In addition, she can maybe click with one of the porn actors that might result in a relationship, for those who don't want to pursue the "obvious" Ian choice and don't like any of the other male characters. And that route might provide a lot of options for drama, too.

Cool idea. Men in porn is also a subject that not many feel compelled to explore either, so that might be a interesting perspective to add to the story.

 

[leg28]

Why?
Ian is perfectly fine, albeit totally neglected by dev ... also why is the other protag actually
getting progression with her .. because Ian was the one she blushed for, she be ready to help him,
they would be a cutesy pair .. like lois and clark .. but no, dev wants kinks and shady business .. fine!

if you want romance go get danielle steele novels. it is adult content/themed game. Not pre-teens holding hands in park.
actually ian is also concepted as f*cking all around guy who basically has no problem with lena having sex with others too (except he doesn't like robert because of their drank quarrell). i see them more like couples in adventurous couple or in happy marriage. i think threesome with jeremy is inevitable both mmf anf mff.
however you still have choice to avoid them sleeping with other charachters.
only thing which i agree with you is that ian's charachter is not developed as good as other MC and some support charachters.

 

[BlandChili]

if you want romance go get danielle steele novels. it is adult content/themed game. Not pre-teens holding hands in park.

What an absurd thing to say.

 

[mehGusta]

The problem with a 'porn route' is that it is boring. ORS is about relationships not random sex. Porn (and prostitution, for that matter) are not about that, it is just sex without any meaning. It is OK for an ending, like in GGGB but I don't believe there will be regular porn-scenes.
The Stalkfap route seem to be mostly about Stan. Ed is there, too. Ian also can join up and who knows who else is following her already.

that's why i said nobody so far made the prostitute theme right. the partners in this might not be necessarily important to the story, yes, but that what you maybe saw, that sex without meaning, is exactly why they are also boring. the sex can be about character growth, or generally story-driven experiences. making them seem random and insignificant, just to create sex scenes, of course detaches the player from gaining anything interesting, besides maybe a hot scene.
in GGGB for example i loved the scene where you can show Eric your new vid and your mom chimes in just to nonchalantly assure her support in her daughter in all this, baffling Eric in the process. but yeah everything afterwards is pretty boring, as the scenes have no purpose, like if jessica is there or the random girl, has no real impact. because in the end that jessica has her bad ending, is independent of Ashley's porn ending.
so i would rather say that people seem to fail to see that the sex scenes are not the main focus of the porn and prostitute themes. they are integral, but by far not the most important.
(generally i would also say that porn is an easy way to implement moresomes without giving much explanation as to why everyone involved is ok with it. and that's why they are often "misused")

I think this aspect of Lena gets more attention because, at the end of the day, for many this is mainly a porn game and stereotypically/traditionally/generally we expect the female character to pursue such themes in a more professional manner than what is likely to happen with the male pov character.

Even so, I also feel like Ian's book pursuits lack some short-term payoff. With Lena's music you generally have an impression of how well you are doing because you gain willpower for making the right choices with her song writing. The tournament thing is still fairly new, but it's a concept that's fairly easy to grasp: Ian's gun' be fightin' sum' blokes, yeah? Watching his potential success will be fun of course, but so far we only really know that the tournament will happen and not what stakes will come with it.

honestly i really would like for Ian to be able to go down the porn route as well! don't see any reason why this could be any less exciting. but i guess this would be rather unlikely and harder to implement. what a shame though.

Not being required to become a bimbo to start a porn career would already make it feel fresh. I'm sure some popular nude models were at least once offered to participate in porn/near-porn shoots. Particularly, Veronica Zemanova comes to mind where there's a video going around of her shooting with a guy, giving him handjob and some boobjob, but when he seems to move in to penetrate her, she stops and bails, making it the most hardcore content in her career. At the same time, she did quite a bit of solo photo shoots with toys and some girl on girl.

So it would be perfectly in theme for Lena to be offered the same or to be approached by a porn company if she climbs the ladder high (unless she has a lot of lust and decides to audition on her own), and it wouldn't require some weird conditions such as going to a lame tv show that exposes her to everyone and ruins her previous life.

That's debatable. I think execution determines if the route is boring or not. In GGGB, the porn wasn't exactly a "route". It was mostly an outcome, where Ash loses every moral, makes dumb decisions, gets exposed, gets her life ruined, etc. The porn is more like the only option she has left because everyone else rejects her, and that's why she can accept it so easily and change so drastically. It's to say "Ashley Graham is dead. Now it's Ash Foxxxy". Ultimate corruption equal to the Thug boss Ashley.

In ORS it can be more nuanced, where it doesn't necessarily mean corruption that results in "OMG, I'm a cock-hungry whore" Lena, but either an extension of her creative personality (to create tasteful porn that is erotic and exciting but isn't "dirty"), or as a necessity due to money problems or simply because she's curious to try something new, and maybe unleash her sumbissive personality on the set without suffering any heartbreaks. In addition, she can maybe click with one of the porn actors that might result in a relationship, for those who don't want to pursue the "obvious" Ian choice and don't like any of the other male characters. And that route might provide a lot of options for drama, too. It's not just the sex in the industry, there are a lot of BTS stuff going on that we usually don't see or pay attention to.
Do her parents get to know or can she keep them in the dark? Does she tell them and gets accepted or do they disown her? And if they do, will Molly and Ed adopt her, ultimately fulfilling their wish to become parents? That path can also intersect with Ian's voyeur path, and it would no doubt be a challenge for their relationship. Do they keep a loving relationship or they lose the spark? How do her friends react to her new outlet? Can she keep her social circle, or would she have to replace them with friends from the industry? Can she keep a cool head, or will her submissive personality overtake her to end up being abused and taken advantage of? Can she succeed in that career or will she stumble and fall like Jessica in GGGB?

yeah! taking real life into consideration, there is a kind of "romantic" story already. Manuel Ferrara and Kayden Kross met on set and fell in love and are married, despite him still performing.
so a porn route i would see as a way to expand the possibilitys for more character development, while also increasing the chance and intensity of creating sex scenes.

 

[arvzt]

Playing version 0.7revised, it looks like my stats can't go up above 1? I'm gaining all those points but everything is stuck at 1

 

[☆Jonathan Wick♤]

honestly i really would like for Ian to be able to go down the porn route as well! don't see any reason why this could be any less exciting. but i guess this would be rather unlikely and harder to implement. what a shame though.

Well honestly the closest Ian can get to a possible path as a porn actor is if Lena decides to include him as her partner during her stalkfap sessions. Otherwise I doubt we can see Ian going down that path even if we choose to be an MMA fighter.