VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Samu Al Hydit]

1.What is the best plot for Ian's Book

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Spoiler: Book points

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[Samu Al Hydit]

Talking about book genres, I still can't believe Eva gave fight 0 points for Sci-Fi.

The genre's icon is Warhammer, for Emperor's sake. Fighting is 24/7 there.

 

[Gicoo]

Not only are some choices arbitrary, a bunch of them aren't even mentioned at all.
It would be slick if other characters (Victor, Minerva, Seymour, Louise) give Ian hints if he's on good terms with them.

 

[Mythos079]

Talking about book genres, I still can't believe Eva gave fight 0 points for Sci-Fi.

The genre's icon is Warhammer, for Emperor's sake. Fighting is 24/7 there.

Well, you have a very wrong idea about Warhammer and Sci-Fi novels. Warhammer is first and foremost a fantasy wargame, then it came the futuristic version and then the novels, based of course on the wargame setting. So no, Warhammer isn't the icon of a Sci-Fi novel, at all.

In every Sci-Fi story I can think about, the fight isn't the main conflict of the book, if there's a fight at all. If you want an idea of what a Sci-Fi book is, do a search in internet or look at this example list:

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[mommysboiii]

I am still curiouse what the difference between this book points in the future will lead to maybe it is strategically and tactical smarter for my ian /cindy, ian/alison and ian/holly loser/nerd saves to go for a bad book??eva kiss games has so many decisionsso with the most points we will probably be a famouse book author but with a bad book we will be pizza ian or work in the office?? hope this leads to some interesting outcomes with a good and bad book especially with cindy and alison (holly is very loyal and seem to stay even behind a pizza ian ) but cindy on the other hand seems to want more from life so it would be interesting how she would handel pizza ian and mommy alsion could be interesting too hope it has consequences maybe work as alisons assistant in the future

Alison:get a water
Ian: YES MA'AM do you need anything else queen

 

[ffive]

So no, Warhammer isn't the icon of a Sci-Fi novel, at all.

 

[Gicoo]

I am still curiouse what the difference between this book points in the future will lead to maybe it is strategically and tactical smarter for my ian /cindy, ian/alison and ian/holly loser/nerd saves to go for a bad book??eva kiss games has so many decisionsso with the most points we will probably be a famouse book author but with a bad book we will be pizza ian or work in the office?? hope this leads to some interesting outcomes with a good and bad book especially with cindy and alison (holly is very loyal and seem to stay even behind a pizza ian ) but cindy on the other hand seems to want more from life so it would be interesting how she would handel pizza ian and mommy alsion could be interesting too hope it has consequences

Might as well spin it around: A bad book wins the contest and gets published, since Seymour, Minerva and Co. support trash art. A good book is still the necessary for the independant alternative path with Victor.

 

[mommysboiii]

Might as well spin it around: A bad book wins the contest and gets published, since Seymour, Minerva and Co. support trash art. A good book is still the necessary for the independant alternative path with Victor.

Seymour this mother fu... I am very curiouse about his role too and how angry Minerva will react if we have a good book?? and we are not in a affaire with her I am curiouse if Seymour will ever get in contact with alison or cindy and if axel has contact with alison in the future(because in early cheapter alison turns red after seeing him but why would alison be a model or go down the model career?????she is a sucessful women as far as I know)

 

[ffive]

Might as well spin it around: A bad book wins the contest and gets published, since Seymour, Minerva and Co. support trash art. A good book is still the necessary for the independant alternative path with Victor.

"Seymour and Minerva support trash art" is skewing a picture quite a bit, unless you believe that Holly's books which Seymour and Minerva publish and support are trash, too.

When Seymour talks with Lena about her contract, he mentions making Ian the winner of book contest as one of things he could do for Lena. So the quality of the book might wind up as only one of factors in the end. Lena being on good terms with Seymour (or unwilling to cooperate with him) could play a significant role.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Talking about book genres, I still can't believe Eva gave fight 0 points for Sci-Fi.

The genre's icon is Warhammer, for Emperor's sake. Fighting is 24/7 there.

Not only are some choices arbitrary, a bunch of them aren't even mentioned at all.
It would be slick if other characters (Victor, Minerva, Seymour, Louise) give Ian hints if he's on good terms with them.

The current hint system for getting a perfect score is ill-conceived in general right now. It doesn't need to be made extremely easy. But it does need to be made fair. There are a few potential design concepts that could work. I don't think Eva needs to focus on this now as everyone who plays are essentially game testers through development & no-one wants another momentum-breaking slowdown at this point. But something she should definitely retcon at the end once all chapters are complete, before official release.

 

[seaoflove]

I can tell this game is going to have like 50+ endings...

Here is one ending I want:

Lena is a Dominatrix and has taken 0 dick for the entire game.
Lena / Holly full max loving relationship and Holly. Lena teaches Holly how to be a Domme.
They live with 3 subs. Louise, Stan, and Ian.
Holly goes fully Domme mode on all 3 of them. She is even more brutal and demanding than Lena and way more confident now.
Also another variation of this ending where Ivy is a part of the Dominatrix team and it is a lesbian trio. Louise finally gets to lick Ivy's feet.

Then we got Mr Ward in OUR debt as Lena because we somehow handed him Emma on a silver platter to be his anal slave for life. Ward would make sure we live in a nice mansion and all our money troubles are gone. Sort of handing her over to him like was done in GGGB with Arthur and his daughter.

 

[Mythos079]

The current hint system for getting a perfect score is ill-conceived in general right now. It doesn't need to be made extremely easy. But it does need to be made fair. There are a few potential design concepts that could work. I don't think Eva needs to focus on this now as everyone who plays are essentially game testers through development & no-one wants another momentum-breaking slowdown at this point. But something she should definitely retcon at the end once all chapters are complete, before official release.

I don't know about the other genres, but I chose Sci-Fi and I was able to get perfect score at first try, just by reading carefully Ian's and Holly's comments about the different choices. It was also luck, because I wasn't sure about every choice, but I would have gotten a high score anyway, so from my point of view as it is now it's not so bad.

 

[seaoflove]

Ch.11 Prologue explicitly denies this:

                if holly_guy > 1:
                    l "I've heard you and Mark have been getting along since that night at the club..."
                    h "Oh, that... Yes, well..."
                    l "Did you go all the way with him yet?"
                    h "No, not yet... But he wanted to go on a date this weekend..."
                    if holly_guy == 3:
                        l "Really? So nothing happened the night he brought you home?"
                        h "Well, um... Yeah..."
                        h "I gave him a... blowjob in his car."
                        l "So you can be naughty too!"
                        h "I don't normally drink that much, and... Well, it felt right, so I thought... Why not just go with the flow?"
                        l "That's how it's done. Just relax and I'm sure everything will go just fine."

That's only what Holly knows, and only from Holly's perspective. We have no idea what the interaction between Mark & Ivy was prior to that other than Mark agreeing to send Ivy a photo if he got lucky. It could have gone something like this.

Mark: "Hey Ivy, um.... can you set me up with one of the girls at your pole dancing class again? I really need to get laid."
Ivy: "Hah, what's in it for me. You know how this works boy! You want to get laid, but I want to get paid. Those are the rules!"
Mark: "Um... I am listening. What girls are on the menu? Is any one in particular that you think I might like?"
Ivy: "That's a good boy." Ivy pulls out a photo of Holly.
Mark: "Wow she is so pretty!"
Ivy: "Yea, and maybe I can help you out for the right price. She is not your typical whore you know. A night with her will cost you extra."
Mark: "She is not?"
Ivy: "No silly... She is good girl, but I have a lot of influence over her and can help her be your bad girl, but I want to see it."
Mark: "You want to watch us!?"
Ivy: "Well, I want you to send me a picture of her sucking your cock."
Mark: "But how!?"
Ivy: "Here is what we are going to do. I'll slip something special into her drink at my birthday party. She trusts me. Then I'll give her a slap on the ass and send her in your direction."
Mark: *Gets out wallet with raging hard on*

 

[ffive]

That's only what Holly knows, and only from Holly's perspective. We have no idea what the interaction between Mark & Ivy was prior to that other than Mark agreeing to send Ivy a photo if he got lucky. It could have gone something like this.

I think we have a misunderstanding here. I thought your "She may already have done so with Mark" meant "Holly may already have had sex with Mark", not Ivy fanfiction.

But i'd say there's no real reson to believe in the latter, as there's no indications for it whatsoever in the story so far, so suddenly springing it on the player out of the blue would be pretty weak.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I don't know about the other genres, but I chose Sci-Fi and I was able to get perfect score at first try, just by reading carefully Ian's and Holly's comments about the different choices. It was also luck, because I wasn't sure about every choice, but I would have gotten a high score anyway, so from my point of view as it is now it's not so bad.

I got all but one correct and I disagree. As this is built in more of a puzzle format, some of these arbitrary & subjective hints (when even provided) are poor game design IMO. Good game design would test logic over subjective opinion/experience, arbitrary preference or esoteric interests to make a fair puzzle for everyone. At least on any path where Ian is actively pursuing writing as his main career goal, regardless of his love interests (building both skill and "work on book" choices towards that pursuit). I also think our standards are pretty low in general here on game design, since we're playing unfinished games in a genre (porn) where 95%+ of releases are pure poop. But Eva's aiming for and achieving quality in other aspects of her games, so I think that should match here as well.

I don't think she needs to pause everything to fix that issue right now & delay any of the chapters. But if she's aiming for a well-designed, polished game, which it seems she is, those sort of fixes will be important at the end of development, before an official release.

 

[ffive]

Is there really any actual issue with the book building as it currently is? Between the early hints, the tips given at evaluation and ability to change values of two slots, i feel you'd have to act actively obtuse to not get a good, if not the highest, score.

 

[seaoflove]

I think we have a misunderstanding here. I thought your "She may already have done so with Mark" meant "Holly may already have had sex with Mark", not Ivy fanfiction.

But i'd say there's no real reson to believe in the latter, as there's no indications for it whatsoever in the story so far, so suddenly springing it on the player out of the blue would be pretty weak.

It would totally be well within Ivy's character to do exactly what I wrote before or something similar I'll explain why.

1) Ivy loves to push drugs. She has pushed them on Lena twice at least. She may also have done the same to Holly without her knowledge. "Here take this drink!" She is always trying to get holly drunk, and we know she has some extecy on her and she likes to give it to other girls.

A pimp may be like this.

2) Ivy is a know liar and has been known to be deceptive. She will lie to cover up things going on between her and Jeremy. She will lie about her meeting / relationship with Axel to Lena. She spotted Cindy and Ian fucking. Does she tell her friend Lena? Nope, she keeps that on the down low. There are at least 3 examples of Ivy being dishonest in the story so far there may be some I missed.

A pimp may be like this.

3) She has a very Dominant / Assertive personality. She likes to be in control.

Pimps are very much like this.

4) She pushes sexual boundaries every chance she gets. She gets off on corrupting other females.

Pimps are very much like this.

5) In the previous game GGGB there is a scene where Arthur can get Ashley to spike Iris's drink to have his way with her. There may be something similar going on with Ivy and Holly in the new game. It was up front and on the table last game, but in this game it may be written as a mystery we may find out later.

Lena may find out this fact at some point and may need to choose to side with her best friend Ivy or her new best friend Holly and be protective of her.

Ivy doing some shady things to Holly are not out of character for her at all, and are 100% in character.

 

[mommysboiii]

It would totally be well within Ivy's character to do exactly what I wrote before or something similar I'll explain why.

1) Ivy loves to push drugs. She has pushed them on Lena twice at least. She may also have done the same to Holly without her knowledge. "Here take this drink!" She is always trying to get holly drunk, and we know she has some extecy on her and she likes to give it to other girls.

A pimp may be like this.

2) Ivy is a know liar and has been known to be deceptive. She will lie to cover up things going on between her and Jeremy. She will lie about her meeting / relationship with Axel to Lena. She spotted Cindy and Ian fucking. Does she tell her friend Lena? Nope, she keeps that on the down low. There are at least 3 examples of Ivy being dishonest in the story so far there may be some I missed.

A pimp may be like this.

3) She has a very Dominant / Assertive personality. She likes to be in control.

Pimps are very much like this.

4) She pushes sexual boundaries every chance she gets. She gets off on corrupting other females.

Pimps are very much like this.

5) In the previous game GGGB there is a scene where Arthur can get Ashley to spike Iris's drink to have his way with her. There may be something similar going on with Ivy and Holly in the new game. It was up front and on the table last game, but in this game it may be written as a mystery we may find out later.

Lena may find out this fact at some point and may need to choose to side with her best friend Ivy or her new best friend Holly and be protective of her.

Ivy doing some shady things to Holly are not out of character for her at all, and are 100% in character.

god damm pimp ivy would be hot even more if the girl ivy pimps is in a relationship with ian imagin cindy ivy interaction in the future
the thing that would be even hotter is a goon video/jerk instruction video from ivy to good boi ian GODD DAYMEMME imagin ivy instructions holly molly

 

[ffive]

1) Ivy loves to push drugs. She has pushed them on Lena twice at least. She may also have done the same to Holly without her knowledge. "Here take this drink!" She is always trying to get holly drunk, and we know she has some extecy on her and she likes to give it to other girls.

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. Ivy offers Lena party drugs once. If Lena refuses, next time Ivy takes drugs herself the player has to make Lena ask for them (and burn a willpoint on it) because Ivy won't make the offer again. Furthermore, there's absolutely no basis to presume that because Ivy offers Lena's to choose if she wants some party drugs, then she'd just drug Holly without her knowledge -- Ivy clearly shows she understands and respects consent.

5) In the previous game GGGB there is a scene where Arthur can get Ashley to spike Iris's drink to have his way with her. There may be something similar going on with Ivy and Holly in the new game. It was up front and on the table last game, but in this game it may be written as a mystery we may find out later.

This game isn't GGGB and Eva has stated it's not going to be like GGGB in terms on content, but much more grounded. So if even in the "wilder" previous game you had this sort of content upfront and in the open, there's really no reason other than wishful thinking to expect this, much more tame game, will have this sort of shit cranked up even further, by making it a completely unannounced asspull.

I think it may be best for you to drop such hopes, or you'll only find yourself disappointed.

 

[seaoflove]

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. Ivy offers Lena party drugs once. If Lena refuses, next time Ivy takes drugs herself the player has to make Lena ask for them (and burn a willpoint on it) because Ivy won't make the offer again. Furthermore, there's absolutely no basis to presume that because Ivy offers Lena's to choose if she wants some party drugs, then she'd just drug Holly without her knowledge -- Ivy clearly shows she understands and respects consent.


This game isn't GGGB and Eva has stated it's not going to be like GGGB in terms on content, but much more grounded. So if even in the "wilder" previous game you had this sort of content upfront and in the open, there's really no reason other than wishful thinking to expect this, much more tame game, will have this sort of shit cranked up even further, by making it a completely unannounced asspull.

I think it may be best for you to drop such hopes, or you'll only find yourself disappointed.

Ivy offers Lena drugs not once, but twice. Both times she did it was at the location where Ivy would need to spike Holly's drink. Just because she offers drugs doesn't mean she is going to spike Holly's drink that is true, but it doesn't mean it is outside of the realm of possibility. For you see Ivy may have more loyalties to Lena than she does to Holly as Ivy & Lena go way way back so she may have given Lena the choice, and not given Holly the choice. Because Ivy may feel Holly is a "bit of a square" and "Won't accept drugs." so she pushes that boudnary for her as a "Good Teacher".

It's obviously not GGGB, but a lot of elements from GGGB are also in ORS. There may be similar incidents and things that seem to cross over a bit. The fact that Jessica exists in ORS is proof they are in the same universe. In universe where Arthur will get Ashley to Spike Iris's drink it's well within the bounds of reality for Ivy to Spike Holly's drink.