Geigi

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During the talk with Lena about MMF threesome Ian has text variants which show that he's especially against involving Jeremy in threesome with Lena. To some extent it depends on their earlier interactions (and also how Lena and Jeremy interacted) but the base reluctance is always there. It may be caused by how Jeremy pretty much whole time insist(ed) that Lena isn't a good girlfriend material for Ian.
The most logical choice to me for threesome is Wade, I chose him because I like threesomes with friends which is more meaningful. For one time threesome I would choose someone like Mark or Mike and in general I don't like threesomes with random dudes.
 
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For one time threesome I would choose someone like Mark or Mike.
NGL, i'm hoping for Mike, given Lena's possible feelings for him and the whole "he's Gillian's guy" potential. Imagine Ian's face if all that came to light after the threesome. :whistle:
 
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NGL, i'm hoping for Mike, given Lena's possible feelings for him and the whole "he's Gillian's guy" potential. Imagine Ian's face if all that came to light after the threesome. :whistle:
Ohhh, potential revenge against Gillian if she finds out that her ex boyfriend and her crush had a threesome with a girl? As a woman, that would bring a little uneasiness to me. :eek:
 
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Did you guys let Lena work on her Stalkfap account? I did but I now regret it. Wonder if there'll be an option to stop doing that.
 
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During the talk with Lena about MMF threesome Ian has text variants which show that he's especially against involving Jeremy in threesome with Lena. To some extent it depends on their earlier interactions (and also how Lena and Jeremy interacted) but the base reluctance is always there. It may be caused by how Jeremy pretty much whole time insist(ed) that Lena isn't a good girlfriend material for Ian.
I didn't particularly get that, but then Ian and Jeremy usually have a high relationship on my playthroughs. The way i view it, is that Jeremy is looking out for Ian, because of what happened in his last relationship. And he perceives, with some degree of accuracy(when you consider what can happen), that Lena has a high potential to do exactly the same thing to him. Regardless of whether she does, he's right in his assessment that she's a party girl, and she's always going to get into situations where she's going to be tempted to cheat. Now we can make sure that that never happens, and Lena always resists, but Jeremy isn't aware of that, and he's concerned that Ian may be rushing into another potentially disasterous relationship, that this time may destroy his confidence once and for all.

And I think, Ian surely sees that, whether he agrees with it or not. So yeah, he might be a bit irritated, unless he's completely blind to all of Lena's flaws (in which case he might react much more angrily). But for the most part, I'm not seeing the issue that you are. For me, the most likely thing that Ian is concerned about regarding Jeremy, is the size of his cock, bearing in mind Lena's possible confession that her biggest sexual fantasy involves big black cocks. Mind you, if that's the case, then that's an even more powerful reason for Ian to ask Jeremy. To prove to himself that he's ready to put aside his own fears, to please Lena, and that he trusts that she won't betray him like Gillian did.
 
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And I think, Ian surely sees that, whether he agrees with it or not. So yeah, he might be a bit irritated, unless he's completely blind to all of Lena's flaws (in which case he might react much more angrily). But for the most part, I'm not seeing the issue that you are.
It's not me who is seeing the issue. Ian has, for whatever reason, reluctant if not outright hostile (depending on the play through) attitude towards idea of including Jeremy in MMF threesome with Lena. The game in general is treating Ian and Jeremy as mutually exclusive for the most part (if Lena pursues Jeremy it blocks her ability to commit to Ian, and the other way around, Lena in relationship with Ian is largely blocked from getting involved with Jeremy)

Why EK has decided to do it like that is anyone's guess, but it is how it is. Mind you, i'm not saying this threesome is entirely impossible, just that the game's author for whatever reasons doesn't see this trio as a natural fit for a threesome, the way you do.
 

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Why EK has decided to do it like that is anyone's guess, but it is how it is. Mind you, i'm not saying this threesome is entirely impossible, just that the game's author for whatever reasons doesn't see this trio as a natural fit for a threesome, the way you do.
It is weird how Ian and Jeremy usually have a very wholesome bro relationship when it comes to Alison, both very eager to share her, while Ian is extremely possessive of Lena and her going for both is a breach of trust that even she is aware of, hence she doesn't commit to Ian if she had fun with Jeremy since she know it will hurt him if she goes for his friend.

Its another sign how the story prioritizes the Ian/Lena love as the true one, while all other relationships are mostly variances and secondary, Ian could never love Alison or Louise as much as Lena, just how all of Lenas male options barely have any good chemistry beyond physical attraction (and then there is Stan). Holly is the exception and also a love partner pushed by the narrative.
 

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Its another sign how the story prioritizes the Ian/Lena love as the true one, while all other relationships are mostly variances and secondary, Ian could never love Alison or Louise as much as Lena, just how all of Lenas male options barely have any good chemistry beyond physical attraction (and then there is Stan). Holly is the exception and also a love partner pushed by the narrative.
Ian/Lena - the game simply imposes this couple until chapter 8, no matter how much you resist, a kiss will still happen at the very least.
 

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Ian/Lena - the game simply imposes this couple until chapter 8, no matter how much you resist, a kiss will still happen at the very least.
No it won't. Yeah the narrative is skewed towards them but it's entirely possible to avoid anything romantic between them. Just choose to not ask Lena out as Ian or let Lena not be interested after the first hang-out.
 

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It is weird how Ian and Jeremy usually have a very wholesome bro relationship when it comes to Alison, both very eager to share her, while Ian is extremely possessive of Lena and her going for both is a breach of trust that even she is aware of, hence she doesn't commit to Ian if she had fun with Jeremy since she know it will hurt him if she goes for his friend.

Its another sign how the story prioritizes the Ian/Lena love as the true one, while all other relationships are mostly variances and secondary, Ian could never love Alison or Louise as much as Lena, just how all of Lenas male options barely have any good chemistry beyond physical attraction (and then there is Stan). Holly is the exception and also a love partner pushed by the narrative.
If Ian and Lena are being 'experimental' in their relationship why would Ian remain possessive towards Lena, since that is a contradictory position to the whole concept of being 'experimental'? That idea just doesn't make any sense, particularly if Ian has already had a threesome with Lena involving Louise, and knows full well that Lena has a similar fantasy involving two guys. Him refusing to countenance such a scenario, would be counter-productive, since the entire basis of this relationship is predicated on the two of them 'experimenting' with other people.

For me, Lena will always struggle in a conventional relationship, because temptation will always be there for her, simply because of the nature of the ways she has to earn a living. Whether she ends up as a rock star, a model, a dancer or even a pornstar, inevitably she'll end up in situations, where other men and women will desire her. And since Eva herself has made Lena's lifestyle and supporting personality this way, it seems totally contradictory that she would have Ian and Lena not move towards a fully open relationship, if they're 'experimenting'.

We all know why Ian has his doubts and fears, but surely he's intelligent enough to realise, that if he's going to date a girl like Lena, and have a successful relationship with her, then he needs to move beyond these fears and become more confident and open than he was, when he was dating Gillian. Because that attitude just wont cut it anymore, if he wants Lena to stick around. Otherwise he'll become increasingly paranoid, everytime his girlfriend inevitably is pursued by one of her multitude of admirers.

And if Ian is uncomfortable with such a scenario, why would he ever consider having a relationship with a girl like Lena, particularly when there are other, 'safer' options? The whole point of choosing someone like Lena, is you know it's never going to be dull, and probably somewhat of a rollercoaster, and if what you want is 'conventional', only a complete moron would go for that option.

If Ian wants a comfortable, conventional relationship, he should choose Holly or maybe Alison. Both of those girls are crazy about him, so he can't really go wrong. Lena is all about having an exciting, unconventional life, that will continuously push Ian to be more than he is.
 
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If Ian wants a comfortable, conventional relationship, he should choose Holly or maybe Alison. Both of those girls are crazy about him, so he can't really go wrong. Lena is all about having an exciting, unconventional life, that will continuously push Ian to be more than he is.
It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
 

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It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
True. It's incredible how Eva manages to do this, there are so many choices about literally everything and they are meaningful. It's so complex. I like that you can't get all characters in one play though, characters will show jealousy... The worst games are those that have choices that aren't doing jack shit(illusion of a choice) and is forcing you to play as it meant to be.
 

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True. It's incredible how Eva manages to do this, there are so many choices about literally everything and they are meaningful. It's so complex. I like that you can't get all characters in one play though, characters will show jealousy... The worst games are those that have choices that aren't doing jack shit(illusion of a choice) and is forcing you to play as it meant to be.
I really don't envy all the work that must entail, both for Eva and MrBuBu that does the incredible PDF walkthrough. I do appreciate it, though.
 

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It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
Yeah but doesn't this apply to Ian as well when Handling Jeremy. Sure Ian is always going to have some reservations about his bro banging the girl he loves. But YOU can choose to be okay about it as well as Lena having fun with other girls (still weird but not cheating if Ian agrees to it). I don't agree that experimenting with others should always lead to an open relationship though cause that is an extreme.
 
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It's far from universal and largely depends on how you choose to play Lena. E.g. Wits-oriented Lena is very much a nerd who gets excited over meeting her idol Holly, had something like two relationships in her life total, and can have completely monogamous relationship with Ian.

Even the whole "experimenting together" thing is completely optional and depends on player's choices.
She may have only had two relationships, but it's clear from her dialogues with Ivy, that she's had no shortage of sex partners. The way the two of them talk to Holly, it's almost like she's joining the Slut Club. So regardless of whether she has a momogamous relationship with Ian, she's still had a lot more sex than him, with many more sexual partners (which she makes very clear to Ian on the cuck route). And it doesn't matter whether she's faithful to him or not. Because she's still a nude model, still potentially on Stalkfap or involved with Seymour. Whatever she does, there's potentially temptation at every turn, and Ian knows that and has to learn to cope with it.

I don't think it's a forgone conclusion, that Ian and Lena being in a monogamous relationship, means that something isn't going to come along to upset the applecart. Even if they both reject their former ex partners, they're both still there, stirring up trouble and memories (good and bad). Ian in particular, is now working with Gillian, and even if he denies it, I don't think he's entirely moved on from her, and it's almost certainly going to cause issues for him and Lena, just like Axel has done the same. But in Axel's case, at least Lena isnt working in the same building everyday, as Ian and Gillian will be going forward. And let's face it, that probably means they'll be working together at some point. Eva has clearly brought Gillian back, so Ian can succumb to her charms once more, or at the very least be tormented and mercilessly tempted to do so.
 
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I'm kinda already disappointed with the Ivy path. It ultimately dragged on too long. At this point, even if Ian gets to bang her, it won't be as satisfying. Also a potential romance path is out of the question which was why I was so looking forward to the potential pairing. For it to happen it's gonna need Louise levels of speed running and it just won't be as satisfying. I guess I'd still be happy with the sex scene between her and Ian but meaningless sex doesn't really do much for me.
 

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She may have only had two relationships, but it's clear from her dialogues with Ivy, that she's had no shortage of sex partners. The way the two of them talk to Holly, it's almost like she's joining the Slut Club. So regardless of whether she has a momogamous relationship with Ian, she's still had a lot more sex than him, with many more sexual partners (which she makes very clear to Ian on the cuck route).
The way Lena talks to Holly is, again, decided by the player's choices. Lena can encourage Holly to have sex, but she also has numerous options to (literally) "protect Holly" where she does the opposite and actively counters Ivy's ideas and influence. In fact, using these options Lena can form a monogamous relationship with Holly that's presented all like innocent unicorns and rainbows for both of them, including the supposed all-out-slut Lena.

Lena's former sex partners are also not set in stone -- she mentions having a lot of them if she's Lust oriented. She mentions having some casual partners if she's Charisma oriented. And she mentions none when she's Wits oriented which, given the alternatives, makes it a logical conclusion that on this path she didn't actually have many such relationships, if any at all. Lena is very much what you choose to make her and like i said, that includes Nerd Lena who'd kept very much to herself for most of her life, with her friendship with Ivy being more of "opposites attract" than "two peas in a sex pod".

As for the cuck route... the whole cuck route and talk about past dicks only happens if you choose for Lena to have sex with Axel in Ch.9 (or to work with Seymour against her misgivings) Afterwards, what Lena is doing is having sexy talks with her partner about things he clearly enjoys. Not only are these talks based mainly on what she's done in the game not before it (so yet, again, player's choices) but there's also no guarantee that what Lena tells Ian is 100% based on her actual experiences, as opposed to just telling him what he likes to hear.

I don't think it's a forgone conclusion, that Ian and Lena being in a monogamous relationship, means that something isn't going to come along to upset the applecart.
I don't think anyone is saying that. I'm simply noting that the idea of Lena as "wild, adventurous girl with plenty of sex and someone Ian has no choice but to enter open relationship with and strive all the time to match her slutty attitude" is very much misguided and perhaps based more on how you've played your particular Lena, than anything else. She can be like that, yes, but she can also be nothing like that.
 

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I'm kinda already disappointed with the Ivy path. It ultimately dragged on too long. At this point, even if Ian gets to bang her, it won't be as satisfying. Also a potential romance path is out of the question which was why I was so looking forward to the potential pairing. For it to happen it's gonna need Louise levels of speed running and it just won't be as satisfying. I guess I'd still be happy with the sex scene between her and Ian but meaningless sex doesn't really do much for me.
Yeah, it's peculiar that Ivy don't have much content yet, nor Lena's FMM threesome. Either Eva will include something in the next chapter or at the end of the game. Will there even be a gangbang, an orgy, who knows...
 

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I'm kinda already disappointed with the Ivy path. It ultimately dragged on too long. At this point, even if Ian gets to bang her, it won't be as satisfying. Also a potential romance path is out of the question which was why I was so looking forward to the potential pairing. For it to happen it's gonna need Louise levels of speed running and it just won't be as satisfying. I guess I'd still be happy with the sex scene between her and Ian but meaningless sex doesn't really do much for me.
Yeah, it is starting too late. Nothing but some flirting. I also feel Louise started a bit too late, but she at least it getting a little bit of a speedrun though her path. Feels like Eva should of started both of these paths a bit sooner, now we are close to the end, so not much left for them.

I am also really disappointed that the Gillian path is starting too late also, I feel she should of came into the story around the same time as Axel and got some build up. I feel like her path has a lot of potential and intrigue, so it's sad that she didn't even show up till over halfway through the game.
 
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