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there is the open relationship path and 2 diffrent cuck paths 1 were Ian and Lena are a couple so no Jeremy the other is where Lena is draging Ian along hoes being hoes
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Yeah were they updated and how to navigate them ? Shits too confusing at this point
 

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there is the open relationship path and 2 diffrent cuck paths 1 were Ian and Lena are a couple so no Jeremy the other is where Lena is draging Ian along hoes being hoes
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Consensual, nothing about the cuck path seems consensual in this! Plus 2 mff 3somes and a teased mmf doesn't make much of a sharing route. :cautious:

You can get coupled cucked Ian and Lena/Jeremy at Billies if Jeremy hates you! Just can't have Lena/Jeremy before beach episodes.
 
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Yeah were they updated and how to navigate them ? Shits too confusing at this point
check the walkthrough in op

we ever getting Lena and her dad? like in GGG
Not happening things have changed a lot over the last decade since GGGB came out. Just a reminder to sign this petition.

 
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Nonsense, she is one of the most popular characters with very dedicated fans, whether to see her with Ian or more lesbian debauchery with Lena and Holly.
I just don't like her. Cardashians have a huge fanbase, not a fan of them either.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say EK's milktruck is piloted by Ivy. ;)
 

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Man, if Ivy was a guy, people would despise her.
I've despised her since the rework, but I've also despised most of Lena's cast since the rework as well. So whatever I guess.

My attitude towards this game has shifted a lot since the rework in all honesty. I used to like Lena's half of the story and her cast of characters far more. Sure, they all had their faults, but I could at least see a direction that they could have gone.

  • Stan being more traditionally nerdy with a potential glow up rather than a simp or incel.
  • Louise playing a role similar to Eva from GGGB the "good" lesbian interest or the one you could either corrupt / strengthen her existing relationship,
  • Ivy being a slutty party girl archetype; but genuinely caring about Lena, seeing the best in Wade, and having a soft spot for Perry's stutter.
  • Axel being similar to Jack / Tyrone aka the key to Lena's fame, just with a darker history to be wary of. I suppose he can still be this, but at this point meh.
  • Robert existed. I guess he still does. Actually I think he's the one that improved the most, only because Lena is willing to turn him into a punching bag too now.
I didn't particularly care for Ian or his updates. I found his cast more annoying with less potential. I guess I was closed minded about them, or EK just really stepped up their game, because I find them all to be far more well rounded characters now whereas Lena's cast are much more firmly just tropes.

BlandChili said something in a prior discussion with her that has stuck with me. That Lena's cast is there for the sex while Ian's cast is there more for the romance. Or something to similar effect. I don't believe that is an incorrect assessment, but Ian can slut it up just as much as Lena, if not more. So, this has all been a very long winded way of saying all the potential I saw in Lena's first few chapters has been largely squandered and flanderized down to making them 2D cutouts rather than interesting characters. Whereas Ian's cast had had an opposite journey and have grown into much more 3 dimensional characters.

I won't repeat my thoughts on the ongoing event at Billy's mansion, but it's been lackluster in my opinion outside of the nuclear slut, QoS (not unrelated), and Jess hooking up with Ian options. Which doesn't compare to the beach house. I'll just hold out hope that day 3 will wow me and bring back in.
 

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I've despised her since the rework, but I've also despised most of Lena's cast since the rework as well. So whatever I guess.

My attitude towards this game has shifted a lot since the rework in all honesty. I used to like Lena's half of the story and her cast of characters far more. Sure, they all had their faults, but I could at least see a direction that they could have gone.

  • Stan being more traditionally nerdy with a potential glow up rather than a simp or incel.
  • Louise playing a role similar to Eva from GGGB the "good" lesbian interest or the one you could either corrupt / strengthen her existing relationship,
  • Ivy being a slutty party girl archetype; but genuinely caring about Lena, seeing the best in Wade, and having a soft spot for Perry's stutter.
  • Axel being similar to Jack / Tyrone aka the key to Lena's fame, just with a darker history to be wary of. I suppose he can still be this, but at this point meh.
  • Robert existed. I guess he still does. Actually I think he's the one that improved the most, only because Lena is willing to turn him into a punching bag too now.
I didn't particularly care for Ian or his updates. I found his cast more annoying with less potential. I guess I was closed minded about them, or EK just really stepped up their game, because I find them all to be far more well rounded characters now whereas Lena's cast are much more firmly just tropes.

BlandChili said something in a prior discussion with her that has stuck with me. That Lena's cast is there for the sex while Ian's cast is there more for the romance. Or something to similar effect. I don't believe that is an incorrect assessment, but Ian can slut it up just as much as Lena, if not more. So, this has all been a very long winded way of saying all the potential I saw in Lena's first few chapters has been largely squandered and flanderized down to making them 2D cutouts rather than interesting characters. Whereas Ian's cast had had an opposite journey and have grown into much more 3 dimensional characters.

I won't repeat my thoughts on the ongoing event at Billy's mansion, but it's been lackluster in my opinion outside of the nuclear slut, QoS (not unrelated), and Jess hooking up with Ian options. Which doesn't compare to the beach house. I'll just hold out hope that day 3 will wow me and bring back in.
I will say that Lena's cast of characters don't seem very good. I mean sure there's Holly but that's also an Ian one too. Then there's the possessive redhead, but she's a bit too clingy for a lot of people. And...That's basically it. Every other path is either fucking around, slutting it up or a combination of both.

Ian's paths...Every. Single. One. Has a romance-driven path to go with. Even Miranda who you start off with in a cold war can get more loving and romantic...Jesus!

Ian's able to pursue a more romantic relationship with ALMOST every female character he's introduced! Even with Louise, somehow! I don't know what it is but, I feel like Eva has some sort of bias. Ian gets all the babes, Lena gets all the assholes.

Am I dreaming or does anyone else see it like this?
 

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Lena's side might be more porny but she can also romance characters even though you may despise them: Axel can be romanced and will have a redemption arc imo, same with (simp) Seymour, Jeremy's is more late and shallower but still, probably Robert too although it must be bland af (never played his route). And there is also Holly.

Needless to say the relationship dynamics for an average guy and for a model chick are quite different
 

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Lena's side might be more porny but she can also romance characters even though you may despise them: Axel can be romanced and will have a redemption arc imo, same with (simp) Seymour, Jeremy's is more late and shallower but still, probably Robert too although it must be bland af (never played his route). And there is also Holly.

Needless to say the relationship dynamics for an average guy and for a model chick are quite different
Jeremy's is meant to be shallow, since he's a shallow guy. He's a "I'm fucking around and not gonna settle anytime soon because there's hot babes everywhere" guy. I personally thought that was reflected well, but what do I know.
 

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I will say that Lena's cast of characters don't seem very good. I mean sure there's Holly but that's also an Ian one too. Then there's the possessive redhead, but she's a bit too clingy for a lot of people. And...That's basically it. Every other path is either fucking around, slutting it up or a combination of both.

Ian's paths...Every. Single. One. Has a romance-driven path to go with. Even Miranda who you start off with in a cold war can get more loving and romantic...Jesus!

Ian's able to pursue a more romantic relationship with ALMOST every female character he's introduced! Even with Louise, somehow! I don't know what it is but, I feel like Eva has some sort of bias. Ian gets all the babes, Lena gets all the assholes.

Am I dreaming or does anyone else see it like this?
Nah, I agree with you 100% (y)

I genuinely, usually have no idea who to pair Lena with during the playthroughs where I'm trying the other paths for Ian. Like, Cindy/Emma/Allison/Minerva etc etc. It almost entirely ends up being the Holly endgame for Lena, as I find pretty much all of her other options to be rather lacking...

Genuine question for people here. Who do you typically pair her with? If not Ian. Am I just being too harsh on some of these or what?
 

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Nah, I agree with you 100% (y)

I genuinely, usually have no idea who to pair Lena with during the playthroughs where I'm trying the other paths for Ian. Like, Cindy/Emma/Allison/Minerva etc etc. It almost entirely ends up being the Holly endgame for Lena, as I find pretty much all of her other options to be rather lacking...

Genuine question for people here. Who do you typically pair her with? If not Ian. Am I just being too harsh on some of these or what?
I pair her with Louise. Sure, she's not the ideal partner but she's pretty good too. She has the issue of being too clingy and getting attached too fast, but I liked how she actually gets better with a partner that values her. And she seems to be naturally submissive, which is one of the reasons why Jeremy liked her to begin with, I think.
 
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Compare the recent introspective of Mike with Cindys hesitance, indecisiveness and guilt throughout her entire arc. It's a constant presence around Cindy, while Mike has the emotional range of a tea spoon and barely manages to tell us that he (allegedly) loves his girlfriend and is (allegedly) torn about it. All Lena needs to do to overcome all this issues is show a tit.

Even Wade and Perry on Ian's side give more insight in a mens perspective of they fragility, sensitivity and longing than the inoffensive, but hardly insightful walking dicks like Mike and Jeremy.
It is kind of insane how well-done Ian's side is, even ignoring LIs.

Every goddamn minor detail means something. Perry not stuttering when around Emma, his general peskiness disappearing when you're supportive of him, his reaction to the dog, his bright rage when he knows you fuck Emma and how it effectively turns into bunny-hopping sleazy joy when he actually bags her.

Then there's Wade who's either casually playing monopoly or... Just not there.

Even after the beach event, Cindy's demeanor isn't the same depending on how the relationship ended.

Every damn bit is rewarding, You can play as a jackass and it's rewarding. You can play as a good guy and it's rewarding.

In comparison, Jeremy, in a FUCKING LOVE PATH has 1-2 lines where he tells Lena he never felt this way before and then reverting back to "Come get this dick" mode instantly after.
 

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BlandChili said something in a prior discussion with her that has stuck with me. That Lena's cast is there for the sex while Ian's cast is there more for the romance. Or something to similar effect. I don't believe that is an incorrect assessment, but Ian can slut it up just as much as Lena, if not more. So, this has all been a very long winded way of saying all the potential I saw in Lena's first few chapters has been largely squandered and flanderized down to making them 2D cutouts rather than interesting characters. Whereas Ian's cast had had an opposite journey and have grown into much more 3 dimensional characters.
I don't know that I've ever said that the supporting cast for Lena is there for sex, but it's expressed in that way a lot. Lena can fuck Louise and Ivy but not romance either. Initially Stan was a perversion choice, peeping, trenchcoat and fedora, wanking it to her pics, generally perving on her. He was reworked later but his romance starts really late and his content can ber otherwise pervy still, even if it's toned down a little bit.

Similarly I don't know that I'd say Ian's cast is there for romance, but unlike Lena, Ian at least have those options. He can start the Holly thing somewhat early and he has more options to "court" several women, he's allowed to actually be interested in them.

The main outlier to both of them is each other of course and like you said Ian can choose to not romance anyone and just fuck everyone too. But at least he has the options. Lena only gets an alternate romance option in chapter 13, though her relationship with Holly of course builds up to it for a while.

The main difference I tend to point out though is the inherent disadvantage Lena has from having such a tiny initial roster of friends and acquaintances. At the game's start it is just Louise, Ivy, Stan and Robert really. Ian by comparison has Perry, Wade, Jeremy, Alison, Cindy, Emma, Holly and Minerva, all of whom are love interests or the partner/potential partner of his love interests. Note that I count Holly in his cast as he knows her before the story begins, though it is of course fair to point out that Lena begins to get to know her too literally right away.

I think Lena should have had another initial friend or two. Perhaps someone she shared her musical interest with, maybe a college friend she could have in common with Louise, which could also help out some of her material since she quickly becomes forgotten if you don't fuck her or Jeremy. The Louise/Ivy rivalry hasn't really been relevant since the bottle-game either so it's not like it would have changed a ton there.
 
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