VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

Jeremy is a total bro, I don't get why he gets so much of hate?

Many people don't like competition and rivals in porn games, since it detracts from them/the main character having everything for themselves without nuisances. I prefer it when competition exists to keep the MC challenged and having to try, instead of getting everything served on a platter. It does the game well that there are other males aside Ian, having relationship issues and being able to form them over the course of the game. Without Ian snagging everything away for his harem.

Secondarily, he starts as mentor for an Ian willing to go down the chad path, always being enthusiastic and giving advice, but because narrative wise he is a secondary character and shouldn't steal the main characters thunder, he turns out to be a goof is usually set up to fail so that Ian can kick in and succeed where Jeremy doesn't. Just how Ivy is supposed to be a more experienced better Slut-Lena, but Lena can always outdo her. In practice, this disappoints the audience who expected more of Jeremy's big talk and gung-ho attitude, since he often enough ends up as the butt of the joke, an immature clown.

 

[stuffygames]

Jeremy is a total bro, I don't get why he gets so much of hate? Dude literally went above and beyond after Ian's breakup to cheer him up and keep him distracted from wallowing in his misery. He kept Gillian being back to the city a secret from Ian because he saw how demotivated and broken Ian got. He was looking out for him in his own way. Sure, he has that playa mentality but we all know that he's overcompensating for his lukewarm childhood.

Ivy is totally the opposite, she's that type of cunt who would get close to you as a friend, feigns genuine good intent and fuck your life up because why not? We can clearly see Holly's downward spiral and Lena's next in line if she can't shake Ivy off her back. Vindictive, manipulative, jealous and a total narcissist.

Jeremy gets laid, this is a point of contention for a lot of people. I think he's a friend to Ian, but his focus in life is entirely different than Ian's.

Ivy is a narcissist, perfect word for her. She must always be the center of attention, and competes with anyone that threatens her, to the point of trying to drag them down. She is not a friend to Lena, or Holly, just someone that want's them both to be worse than they are so she can feel better about herself.

 

[Canto Forte]

Here is the thing:
Jeremy had Alison in his DMs for months, before MC was aware of anything.
Jeremy has Gillian in his contacts for months and is not telling Ian.
Jeremy is Ivy to Ian: - join me, but never get anything from me;
Jjeremy never offers threesomes to Ian, even though he does enjoy Lena and Ivy in a heartbeat;
Jeremy is tit for tat Ivy - their dynamic to eachother and to the other characters is very different just because Ivy gets away with way more stuff from Lena and Holly, while Jeremy does not care about his ”bros”:
- he never actually offers his lifestyle - treats Ian as a cuck sending him DMs of his conquests, they never go out hooking up, he never props Ian for anyone;
- Alison he has been pruning for months and only sends her to Ian because he cannot get her himself, unless Ian is outta her mind or he can convince her Ian is not into her: - which he does immediately if Ian fails the scripted RNG points checks and dialogue hoops in the scene where Ian would try and land his first girl after Gillian - to which you keep celebrating Jeremy for laying off Alison, supposedly, but he gets her immediately, in the same scene, in the same night, if players fail the game RNG.

Let that sink in - Lena or Ivy or Ian ever set up threesomes for Jeremy - even though Jeremy would be the hook up and forget free spirited, supposedly pure hearted naive guy, who never shares anybody unless that somebody is someone who resists him, then he schemes to get under their skin using his ”bros” and the plot armores scripted SA he is so cellebrated for.

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[IlikebeingaDIK]

I think Ian's dreams are nightmares, it's possible she never slept with anyone while they were together

She cheated, it's canon.

His dreams are a common case of eroticized fear/pain, that's how scenario fetishes are born.

Yall are overanalyzing her bitch ass.

If Ian's played simpy/clingy, Gillian is disinterested, cuz people who play cuck Ian are into the girl getting the salad, the cake and the chef's dick (aka cheat on him, dump him and get him back easy).

If you play a Chad, Gillian shows eagerness into getting him back which plays into what Chad Ian players would want (being the reward after getting played before).

It's not that deep.

 

[Deleted member 8740082]

I've never tried this, if Ian isn't Chad, does it change dialogues with Gilian?

 

[stuffygames]

She cheated, it's canon.

His dreams are a common case of eroticized fear/pain, that's how scenario fetishes are born.

Yall are overanalyzing her bitch ass.

If Ian's played simpy/clingy, Gillian is disinterested, cuz people who play cuck Ian are into the girl getting the salad, the cake and the chef's dick (aka cheat on him, dump him and get him back easy).

If you play a Chad, Gillian shows eagerness into getting him back which plays into what Chad Ian players would want (being the reward after getting played before).

It's not that deep.

We only ever see this from Ian's perspective, so...? Was there a previous story where this was canon? I know there wasn't, so how do you know for certain it is canon?

So few interactions with Gillian in the game, yet you are awfully certain how to she reacts different Ians. She literally has 2 in person interactions with Ian in the game so far, Ian's personality alters the choices you have, not Gillian's.

 

[Gicoo]

Yall are overanalyzing her bitch ass.

You are entirely dismissive about her without considering the context and circumstances of their break-up. Fact is, we don't know what exactly happened that lead to the break-up, only how it left Ian. We don't even know how it left Gillian in the past and presently. We don't know if she cheated, when and how, if she initiated the breakup or Ian, if she and Ian were both distraught about it or just Ian. All you say is cheating = unforgivable, discarding any possibility of guilt, redemption, change, forgiveness etc.

Also, even if you would be right: A vile, manipulative, remorseless Gillian hiding under a sheepskin could be hot as fuck.

Unless I oversaw something, Gillian is always interested in Ian and always continues to pursuit him after the initial reunion (unless he gives the most negative answers?). His chad or simp behavior may only be relevant in how Ian sees her.

 

[SearingFive]

Here is the thing:
Jeremy had Alison in his DMs for months, before MC was aware of anything.
Jeremy has Gillian in his contacts for months and is not telling Ian.
Jeremy is Ivy to Ian: - join me, but never get anything from me;
Jjeremy never offers threesomes to Ian, even though he does enjoy Lena and Ivy in a heartbeat;
Jeremy is tit for tat Ivy - their dynamic to eachother and to the other characters is very different just because Ivy gets away with way more stuff from Lena and Holly, while Jeremy does not care about his ”bros”:
- he never actually offers his lifestyle - treats Ian as a cuck sending him DMs of his conquests, they never go out hooking up, he never props Ian for anyone;
- Alison he has been pruning for months and only sends her to Ian because he cannot get her himself, unless Ian is outta her mind or he can convince her Ian is not into her: - which he does immediately if Ian fails the scripted RNG points checks and dialogue hoops in the scene where Ian would try and land his first girl after Gillian - to which you keep celebrating Jeremy for laying off Alison, supposedly, but he gets her immediately, in the same scene, in the same night, if players fail the game RNG.

Let that sink in - Lena or Ivy or Ian ever set up threesomes for Jeremy - even though Jeremy would be the hook up and forget free spirited, supposedly pure hearted naive guy, who never shares anybody unless that somebody is someone who resists him, then he schemes to get under their skin using his ”bros” and the plot armores scripted SA he is so cellebrated for.

• He didn't hide the messages though. It was Alison who texted him first and they spoke a few times.
• Jeremy did not not have Gillian in his contacts. He just saw her at the bar when he was on his bar duty.
• Jeremy literally offers the threesome with Alison if Ian is on a casual path with her.
• It's Lena pushing to be with him. Jeremy declines the first time if Ian told him that he was falling for Lena.
• It's Ian who acts like a loser and shows interest for the pictures. If he shows no interest, Jeremy stops.

Bro's picking all the trash options just to shit on Jeremy.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Jeremy is ok,when you have a literal drug addict who backstabs Lena at every turn and corrupts poor angel Holly is pretty obvious the hate about him is kinda lame.
You are mad about characters being pieces of shit?then lets start talking about the real villain of ORS,Ivy FUCKING Feynman(Ian dick is going to rot when he finally fucks her,just watch)

 

[Blurpee69]

poor angel Holly

Who are you and what have you done with Xupuzulla?

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

We only ever see this from Ian's perspective, so...? Was there a previous story where this was canon? I know there wasn't, so how do you know for certain it is canon?

So few interactions with Gillian in the game, yet you are awfully certain how to she reacts different Ians. She literally has 2 in person interactions with Ian in the game so far, Ian's personality alters the choices you have, not Gillian's.

Ian says: "So that's how it is... At least you chose what was right for you. Even if it meant leaving me no choice."
Gillian answers: "I'm deeply sorry I made a mistake, and I know you don't wanna hear it. I already acknowledged that so many times, but I know that doesn't change anything... I can't change anything now."
She then adds: "I know I betrayed your trust. I'm sorry I wasn't the person you thought I was. I didn't think I could be this kind of person myself, but... But I was. I'm sorry."

This is verbatim what Gillian said to Ian.

Oh and here's an answer from a random angry Ian during that convo: "I just wish you had thought about that before going behind my back."
Gillian answers: "And I'll always feel guilty about that."
Here's Ian's response to that: "I guess it's hard to forget when you're in a relationship with the guy you betrayed me with."

Now. What she might have done that could be considered a betrayal of trust? Did she take a shit and didn't flush? Did she run away with Ian's favorite boxers? That sure would piss me off. I'd probably have my confidence shattered and wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I've lost my favorite underwear to the love of my life. It would also explain why Ian felt Gillian left him no choice, after all, he didn't have his favorite underwear anymore.

Truly a heart-breaking story.

Gicoo I already addressed the first part responding to the other dude. I'm not gonna bother arguing the "cheating = unforgivable" bit cuz it's irrelevant to the point I'm actually discussing.

As for whether Gillian is consistent with her level of interest, here's how she interacts with Chad Ian vs simp Ian:
to Chad Ian: "Hey, I know you'll probably say no, but... Would you like to grab a coffee one of these days?"
to simp/clingy Ian: "Anyway, since we've bumped into each other once more... Would you like to grab a coffee one of these days? To catch up a bit and all that..."

The tone and expressions Gillian takes are different. Her expression even lights the fuck up when Chad Ian agrees. With simp Ian, she has a consistent neutral expression. With Chad Ian she switches from anxiety to elation (if he agrees).

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Ian says: "So that's how it is... At least you chose what was right for you. Even if it meant leaving me no choice."
Gillian answers: "I'm deeply sorry I made a mistake, and I know you don't wanna hear it. I already acknowledged that so many times, but I know that doesn't change anything... I can't change anything now."
She then adds: "I know I betrayed your trust. I'm sorry I wasn't the person you thought I was. I didn't think I could be this kind of person myself, but... But I was. I'm sorry."

This is verbatim what Gillian said to Ian.

Oh and here's an answer from a random angry Ian during that convo: "I just wish you had thought about that before going behind my back."
Gillian answers: "And I'll always feel guilty about that."
Here's Ian's response to that: "I guess it's hard to forget when you're in a relationship with the guy you betrayed me with."

Now. What she might have done that could be considered a betrayal of trust? Did she take a shit and didn't flush? Did she run away with Ian's favorite boxers? That sure would piss me off. I'd probably have my confidence shattered and wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I've lost my favorite underwear to the love of my life. It would also explain why Ian felt Gillian left him no choice, after all, he didn't have his favorite underwear anymore.

Truly a heart-breaking story.

Gicoo I already addressed the first part responding to the other dude. I'm not gonna bother arguing the "cheating = unforgivable" bit cuz it's irrelevant to the point I'm actually discussing.

As for whether Gillian is consistent with her level of interest, here's how she interacts with Chad Ian vs simp Ian:
to Chad Ian: "Hey, I know you'll probably say no, but... Would you like to grab a coffee one of these days?"
to simp/clingy Ian: "Anyway, since we've bumped into each other once more... Would you like to grab a coffee one of these days? To catch up a bit and all that..."

The tone and expressions Gillian takes are different. Her expression even lights the fuck up when Chad Ian agrees. With simp Ian, she has a consistent neutral expression. With Chad Ian she switches from anxiety to elation (if he agrees).

Sounds like I was right about the "I left you for Mike because he was more manlier than you, and you were a pussboi"

She never said that but, y'know. It kinda fits what you're describing LMAO

 

[Canto Forte]

She got the cheating asshole she wanted, giving her ample space and time to grow into her role of inanimate blow up object, something she always dreamt of becoming one day to the cheating asshole of her dreams.
Serves her right!

It kinda fits what you're describing LMAO

Good riddance!

 

[stuffygames]

Ian says: "So that's how it is... At least you chose what was right for you. Even if it meant leaving me no choice."
Gillian answers: "I'm deeply sorry I made a mistake, and I know you don't wanna hear it. I already acknowledged that so many times, but I know that doesn't change anything... I can't change anything now."
She then adds: "I know I betrayed your trust. I'm sorry I wasn't the person you thought I was. I didn't think I could be this kind of person myself, but... But I was. I'm sorry."

This is verbatim what Gillian said to Ian.

Oh and here's an answer from a random angry Ian during that convo: "I just wish you had thought about that before going behind my back."
Gillian answers: "And I'll always feel guilty about that."
Here's Ian's response to that: "I guess it's hard to forget when you're in a relationship with the guy you betrayed me with."

Now. What she might have done that could be considered a betrayal of trust? Did she take a shit and didn't flush? Did she run away with Ian's favorite boxers? That sure would piss me off. I'd probably have my confidence shattered and wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I've lost my favorite underwear to the love of my life. It would also explain why Ian felt Gillian left him no choice, after all, he didn't have his favorite underwear anymore.

Truly a heart-breaking story.

Gicoo I already addressed the first part responding to the other dude. I'm not gonna bother arguing the "cheating = unforgivable" bit cuz it's irrelevant to the point I'm actually discussing.

As for whether Gillian is consistent with her level of interest, here's how she interacts with Chad Ian vs simp Ian:
to Chad Ian: "Hey, I know you'll probably say no, but... Would you like to grab a coffee one of these days?"
to simp/clingy Ian: "Anyway, since we've bumped into each other once more... Would you like to grab a coffee one of these days? To catch up a bit and all that..."

The tone and expressions Gillian takes are different. Her expression even lights the fuck up when Chad Ian agrees. With simp Ian, she has a consistent neutral expression. With Chad Ian she switches from anxiety to elation (if he agrees).

You did the work, and convinced me there was a betrayal. You could leave out your hyperbolic paragraph about underwear, but I get that it is your thing.

My only issue is Ian is dreaming about her jumping on a group of dicks, and it doesn't seem likely that happened, even given your dialog research. Betrayal can mean a lot of things, the bad would be sex with strangers, the worst would be with someone she dumped Ian for, but who broke up with whom? We won't have a definite answer unless EK details the earlier relationship and the breakup, but I'm sure we will get a better idea during that coffee date, if Ian didn't tell her screw.

Reactions during the coffee conversation are relevant, but I think most people would react more positively to someone with a selfassured confidence rather than a depressed sad sack. Imagine those two different attitudes the first time you meet someone and ask them out for coffee.

 

[mehGusta]

Many people don't like competition and rivals in porn games, since it detracts from them/the main character having everything for themselves without nuisances. I prefer it when competition exists to keep the MC challenged and having to try, instead of getting everything served on a platter. It does the game well that there are other males aside Ian, having relationship issues and being able to form them over the course of the game. Without Ian snagging everything away for his harem.

Secondarily, he starts as mentor for an Ian willing to go down the chad path, always being enthusiastic and giving advice, but because narrative wise he is a secondary character and shouldn't steal the main characters thunder, he turns out to be a goof is usually set up to fail so that Ian can kick in and succeed where Jeremy doesn't. Just how Ivy is supposed to be a more experienced better Slut-Lena, but Lena can always outdo her. In practice, this disappoints the audience who expected more of Jeremy's big talk and gung-ho attitude, since he often enough ends up as the butt of the joke, an immature clown.

i'm not denying that jeremy and ivy are stepping stones for ian and lena respectively, but there are many ways to create a character to be that stepping stone without them also being an immature clown. i think jeremy does that all by himself. i think nobody denies that ivy is a slut. if your assumption would be right, then lena would be able to make ivy look tame in comparison.
what differs between slut-lena and ivy is that ivy seems more in control in what she wants, than slut-lena being slave to her sexual needs.
for example doesn't jeremy need to be so desperate towards ivy. we only see ian being more successful with alison and jessica. which is kind of unfair towards jeremy since jessica is either faithful or fed up with player types, so it's natural that only ian is able to talk himself into getting her number. and alison only ever gives jeremy attention if she doesn't get it from ian.
jeremy could have been written way less immature in other aspects as well. for example just because he wants casual hookups, doesn't mean he needs to rate alison solely on her chest size. or a fairly new scene where jeremy does a bomb in the pool and is so impressed with mike doing a flip.
(though i'm glad it isn't like this) he could have been written like tyrone from GGGB, as he too may fail next to jack.

jeremy is written like a clown and that's okay, but it definitely has nothing to do with ian's success.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

You did the work, and convinced me there was a betrayal. You could leave out your hyperbolic paragraph about underwear, but I get that it is your thing.

I apologize for that, I like to call out idiocy when I see it. Kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. When you have a text-based game that very unsubtly talks about cheating, I expect people to read the not-so-subtle dialogue before claiming I'm making shit up.

My only issue is Ian is dreaming about her jumping on a group of dicks, and it doesn't seem likely that happened, even given your dialog research.

Eroticized fear in often an exaggeration of reality. Men insecure about their dicks believe all women want 14-inch schlongs. There is no in-between. It isn't different with insecurity regarding being cheated on. How many dicks Gillian fucks in Ian's dreams is irrelevant.

Betrayal can mean a lot of things, the bad would be sex with strangers, the worst would be with someone she dumped Ian for, but who broke up with whom? We won't have a definite answer

Did you actually read the dialogue I quoted? There is no sex with strangerS with an S. Ian openly says that Gillian cheated on him with a guy she's now in a relationship with. Here's the context for reference:

Ian: "I had no idea you were back in Baluart..."
Gillian: "Yes... I've been looking for a job so I can move back, and I finally got one. Turns out... Well... My boyfriend found work here a while ago and we wanted to move in together..."
Ian: "Your... boyfriend. So you're in a relationship with that guy..."
Gillian: "Yeah..."

I already quoted the rest previously so I let you connect the dots. It very conveniently points out to Mike who's been conveniently working at the club in Baluart for a while, Ian very explicitly talks about Gillian cheating on him with a guy she is now in a relationship with, which Gillian conveniently admits is the truth.

Reactions during the coffee conversation are relevant, but I think most people would react more positively to someone with a selfassured confidence rather than a depressed sad sack. Imagine those two different attitudes the first time you meet someone and ask them out for coffee.

I'm just pointing to my initial claim: Gillian is just there to validate players in how they play Ian. Cuck Ian players will have a barely interested, kinda neutral Gillian, she even 'forgets' to answer Ian's DMs while Chad Ian players will get a more eager/anxious response from her.

To give you an example: Lena is narratively consistent with violence: she will never have a positive reaction to Ian beating up Robert. This is a part of Lena's psyche. Gillian on the other hand does treat Ian differently when he's a simp vs a chad which infers to my initial point: Gillian's psyche doesn't matter much because her character is set to validate specific Ian players.

 

[stuffygames]

I apologize for that, I like to call out idiocy when I see it. Kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. When you have a text-based game that very unsubtly talks about cheating, I expect people to read the not-so-subtle dialogue before claiming I'm making shit up.



Eroticized fear in often an exaggeration of reality. Men insecure about their dicks believe all women want 14-inch schlongs. There is no in-between. It isn't different with insecurity regarding being cheated on. How many dicks Gillian fucks in Ian's dreams is irrelevant.



Did you actually read the dialogue I quoted? There is no sex with strangerS with an S. Ian openly says that Gillian cheated on him with a guy she's now in a relationship with. Here's the context for reference:

Ian: "I had no idea you were back in Baluart..."
Gillian: "Yes... I've been looking for a job so I can move back, and I finally got one. Turns out... Well... My boyfriend found work here a while ago and we wanted to move in together..."
Ian: "Your... boyfriend. So you're in a relationship with that guy..."
Gillian: "Yeah..."

I already quoted the rest previously so I let you connect the dots. It very conveniently points out to Mike who's been conveniently working at the club in Baluart for a while, Ian very explicitly talks about Gillian cheating on him with a guy she is now in a relationship with, which Gillian conveniently admits is the truth.



I'm just pointing to my initial claim: Gillian is just there to validate players in how they play Ian. Cuck Ian players will have a barely interested, kinda neutral Gillian, she even 'forgets' to answer Ian's DMs while Chad Ian players will get a more eager/anxious response from her.

To give you an example: Lena is narratively consistent with violence: she will never have a positive reaction to Ian beating up Robert. This is a part of Lena's psyche. Gillian on the other hand does treat Ian differently when he's a simp vs a chad which infers to my initial point: Gillian's psyche doesn't matter much because her character is set to validate specific Ian players.

My bit about betrayal being sex with strangers was just an example of how bad the betrayal might be, and still probably not as bad as if she cheated with just one person and left Ian for him. Ian dreaming about her being gangbanged makes it more a kick in the nuts for him.

 

[Blurpee69]

To give you an example: Lena is narratively consistent with violence: she will never have a positive reaction to Ian beating up Robert.

Yes and No. She's narratively consistent about that fight between Robert and Ian. She chastises whomever she has the most interest in, whether that be Ian or Robert. She is also consistent in her expression that she dislikes violence to Ian and the rest of the Scooby Gang.


She is not consistent about violence however as she can, and should, punch the landwhale. And will not chastise Axel for shoving Ian or Mike outside of Blazer during Ivy's birthday if her romance score is high with him.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

She is not consistent about violence however as she can, and should, punch the landwhale.

I agree with that. It was pretty out of character although I really fucking liked that.

And will not chastise Axel for shoving Ian or Mike outside of Blazer during Ivy's birthday if her romance score is high with him.

I'm ngl I never played Lena having a high relationship with Axel so I can't verify that. IIRC my standard Ian gets 'chastised' as you put it when he confronts Axel.

Still, non-violence is a pretty consistent core of Lena's principles.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Still, non-violence is a pretty consistent core of Lena's principles.

We gotta make sure the whale returns then, that's one principle that has to be changed.