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Landwhale scene is just that, a joke scene to shit on a joke character. There is no indication that Lena starts punching everyone who got on her nerves. Its mostly a last resort if you piss her off.

Regarding Axel vs Ian/Mike/Mark, they always start fighting and Lena merely decides who she is siding with. She always loathes that they start fighting because of her. It's pure stress for her, she isn't admiring being physically protected and courted by a strong alpha male like in the jungle.

So Lena always disliking physical violence is consistent.
 

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I think Ian's dreams are nightmares, it's possible she never slept with anyone while they were together, Ian just making the assumption it was the worst possible scenario.
No, this one is pretty much confirmed -- when Ian and Gillian meet and have their little talk, Ian can mention Gillian has cheated on him (instead of breaking up if she wanted to be with the other guy) and Gillian apologizes for her actions.

(I mean here cheating with her now-boyfriend, not going through multiple dudes)
 
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If Ian's played simpy/clingy, Gillian is disinterested, cuz people who play cuck Ian are into the girl getting the salad, the cake and the chef's dick (aka cheat on him, dump him and get him back easy).

If you play a Chad, Gillian shows eagerness into getting him back which plays into what Chad Ian players would want (being the reward after getting played before).
That's not the case anymore. In the current version of the game Gillian mentions wanting to go for a coffee together and acts just as interested also when Ian is being open about still having feelings for her, instead of only when he brushes her off.

(regarding different tone, i think it's very much up to interpretation if Gillian is being "disinterested" or feeling more guilty and thus unsure if she should reach out towards Ian who told her their breakup affected him to the point he still isn't over it, vs one who is like "eh, whatever and water under the bridge" at this point)

The tone and expressions Gillian takes are different. Her expression even lights the fuck up when Chad Ian agrees.
Gillian's expression after the coffee bit is actually literal opposite of "lights the fuck up":
Python:
    if v11_gillian_talk == 4:
//...
        i "Well, I feel like I already said my part. And I think you said yours."
        g "Yes..."
        i "I should get going, then. Perry and the others are waiting for me at the bar."
        $ fgillian = "n"
        g "Of course... Say hi to them for me."
        g "And, Ian..."
        g "If at any point you feel that enough time has passed, and you feel like it..."
        g "I wish we could have a coffee or something like that, so I can keep knowing what's up with you and how things are going for you."
        i "I'll keep it in mind. Goodnight, Gillian."
        $ fgillian = "sad"
She goes from neutral to sad. She has no such reaction on other paths.

In their second interaction about it, in Ch.13, if Ian has acted cold Gillian starts her request with sad expression, and if Ian agrees she goes to neutral.
Python:
    if gillian_stop:
//...
            "Don't let me keep you."
//...
            $ fgillian = "sad"
//...
            g "Um..."
            g "Hey, I know you'll probably say no, but... Would you like to grab a coffee one of these days?"
            $ fian = "sad"
            menu:
                "When?":
//...
                    $ fian = "n"
                    i "Coffee? Sure... When?"
                    $ fgillian = "n"
Which i guess does technically count as relative lighting up, but "neutral" is not ecstatic by any means and is actually the exact same expression she keeps throughout when interacting with more friendly Ian.
 
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She always loathes that they start fighting because of her. It's pure stress for her, she isn't admiring being physically protected and courted by a strong alpha male like in the jungle.

So Lena always disliking physical violence is consistent.
This. I have read some posts here how women like violence which is absurd. Two guys fighting over a girl is not sexy nor wise especially when there's a group of guys. Too many guys ended in the hospital IRL because of other dudes provocation especially when some carry knife or a gun.
 
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Gillian's expression after the coffee bit is actually literal opposite of "lights the fuck up":
Python:
if v11_gillian_talk == 4:
//...
i "Well, I feel like I already said my part. And I think you said yours."
g "Yes..."
i "I should get going, then. Perry and the others are waiting for me at the bar."
$ fgillian = "n"
g "Of course... Say hi to them for me."
g "And, Ian..."
g "If at any point you feel that enough time has passed, and you feel like it..."
g "I wish we could have a coffee or something like that, so I can keep knowing what's up with you and how things are going for you."
i "I'll keep it in mind. Goodnight, Gillian."
$ fgillian = "sad"
She goes from neutral to sad. She has no such reaction on other paths.
Huh? My dude you are mentioning the wrong dialogue and you know it since you reacted to the comment where I mention word for word what she tells him. I'm referring to when they met at Hierophant which is where she explicitly asks him to go for a coffee.

Btw, Ian being 'cold' is just him telling Gillian "I've made my peace", meaning he's moved on. Weird way to frame that as being 'cold', especially since the only alternatives are literally a heart decision ("I still think about you"), "it still hurts" and an angry decision ("You fucked me up").

If I wanted to be pedantic, I'd probably use that to point out that it actually confirms my claim: a Ian who moved on does elicit changes in how Gillian views him since his friendship (or more) aren't treated as granted anymore, the soft/bittersweet face is there to emphasize that shift.

Which i guess does technically count as relative lighting up, but "neutral" is not ecstatic by any means and is actually the exact same expression she keeps throughout when interacting with more friendly Ian.
Bro please don't make me argue semantics this late, you know damn well "sad" is just one of 4-5 string values Eva uses to switch the characters' facial expressions and each one is used to cover a range of expressions that look roughly similar and not literally single moods. The implication of being constantly neutral vs. actually having a shift in expression from "sad" to "neutral" means something clicked or changed. the "Great...!" Gillian responds with is an exclamation and is there to show a tonal and emotional shift, in other words: elation or some form of relief. She ain't gonna use some looney tunes ass eyes-out shock face to show hope/relief. And besides, a constant neutral expression does, in fact, show lack of interest.
 

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Huh? My dude you are mentioning the wrong dialogue and you know it since you reacted to the comment where I mention word for word what she tells him. I'm referring to when they met at Hierophant which is where she explicitly asks him to go for a coffee.
Sorry about the confusion; I have replied to your post first and only noticed/reacted to the one with quotes and expanded my post based on that. Initially i've thought you're referring to their first encounter.

Btw, Ian being 'cold' is just him telling Gillian "I've made my peace", meaning he's moved on.
When i said Ian was acting cold, that was referring to the bit of the script i've quoted. "I should get going", "I'll keep it in mind" are pretty terse and brushing off responses to Gillian's offer, and that's what triggers her change from neutral to sad.

If I wanted to be pedantic, I'd probably use that to point out that it actually confirms my claim: a Ian who moved on does elicit changes in how Gillian views him since his friendship (or more) aren't treated as granted anymore
I don't think Gillian is at any point taking his friendship or more for granted. She states more than once she understands and regrets how deeply she has hurt and disappointed him.
 

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i had one of my saves have Ian accept to meet Gillian for coffee on his throuple path with Lena and Holly. hopefully the meeting will lead to Gillian seeing Ian in a new light and if Mike is her bf, hopefully she will pursue Ian and Ian can ask Lena or Holly or both to include Gillian in their sex games. then Gillian will be cheating on Mike and Ian can get revenge if Mike is the guy Gillian left him for..geez, this is getting kinda confusing as i write this :ROFLMAO:
 
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Sorry about the confusion; I have replied to your post first and only noticed/reacted to the one with quotes and expanded my post based on that. Initially i've thought you're referring to their first encounter.
All good my dude.

When i said Ian was acting cold, that was referring to the bit of the script i've quoted. "I should get going", "I'll keep it in mind" are pretty terse and brushing off responses to Gillian's offer, and that's what triggers her change from neutral to sad.
You've had me reopen the game and play that convo again. I tried every option, she has the same "sad" expression throughout and only goes neutral when asking Ian to "Say hi to them for me", proposes a coffee and he brushes her off as you said. But again, that reaction is still part of the broader "I've made my peace" decision which is, if you take it at face value, extremely reasonable interaction. He wishes her happiness, tells her he understands she had her reasons and whatnot.

I firmly believe the "I've made my peace" conversation played out exactly how it should for normal 'well-adjusted' people. There was no animosity, no emphatic blaming, no aggravation.

I don't think Gillian is at any point taking his friendship or more for granted. She states more than once she understands and regrets how deeply she has hurt and disappointed him.
I feel like I'm repeating myself tbh. I understand Gillian's character is apologetic but considering their past, Eva's decision to have Gillian rock a perma-neutral expression when talking to Simp Ian vs. anxious-to-relieved expression panel with Chad Ian is there to signal a different dynamic, regardless of how often Gillian said she was sorry.

This:
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doesn't describe the same dynamic as this:
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We can say a lot of - bad - things about Eva Kiss, but when a developer manages to make players go to such deep reasonings as above and analyze the facial expressions of her characters, you know she has something other developers do not have.
LMAO!
 

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If cindy is the sun, and lena is the moon, then what is gillian? And if axel a lone wolf, jeremy is hyena, then what is ian?
 

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We can say a lot of - bad - things about Eva Kiss, but when a developer manages to make players go to such deep reasonings as above and analyze the facial expressions of her characters, you know she has something other developers do not have.
i unironically think that. you can dislike ian's part. you can dislike lena's part. think it's bad that there are 2 protagonists. dislike certain kinks this game handles (i'm like that too, i totally dislike BBC). prefer or like other games. etc. etc.
but this is hands down the most well crafted porn game ever!
Gillian is a blackhole and Ian is a lion :cool:
then seymour is a camel :LOL:
 

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I feel like I'm repeating myself tbh. I understand Gillian's character is apologetic but considering their past, Eva's decision to have Gillian rock a perma-neutral expression when talking to Simp Ian vs. anxious-to-relieved expression panel with Chad Ian is there to signal a different dynamic, regardless of how often Gillian said she was sorry.

This:
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doesn't describe the same dynamic as this:
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Err. I'm guessing you wanted to post some different set of pictures or more of them, because these two are quite literally "corporate wants you" meme with the same Gillian? Or if there is some actual difference between their expressions, it's so minuscule you'd be reading way too much into it.

edit: but i don't really disagree with what you say, that the dynamics between Gillian and Ian who didn't move on are portrayed different than their interactions in scenario where Ian did move on. However, i disagree with your interpretation of what that difference supposedly means.

That aside, i want to object to something else,. You keep talking about "simp Ian" and "chad Ian" but this is at best a misrepresentation of possible dynamics between Ian and Gillian. There is no guaranteed correlation between Ian who has moved on having his chad variable high, and the one who didn't having it low. You can have max-chad Ian still hung up on Gillian, and you can have "nice Ian" who made his peace. The game understands this, and it doesn't make such presumptions during interactions with Gillian -- the variable isn't checked nor influences things in any manner.
 
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