VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

We have Jeremy sending Ian videos of fucking Alison, but no one is crying how Jeremy is corrupting Alison into having wild BBC sex, potentially with his friend.

There is a difference in accountability between two friends fucking and a person in a glory hole under drugs.

And where the heck does the whole rape aspect come from here?

Rape isn't merely defined by nonconsent, it can also happen if a person is forcefully pushed to sexual acts. Its ambigious, how far Holly wants to go, is aware of the consequences or in a aware state at all. Just silently obeying to everything Lena and Ivy command her, doesn't make their orders right by default. For whats worth, it is a moraly grey area and people may disagree on who is responsible to which extent.

Calling out that it is potentially rape and a crime that can mess up Holly is fair, just as enjoying this uglier storyline. Most people here a desensitized or rather play the game with a desensitized mindset, since porn often accomodates towards taboos and crimes, especially in the corruption genre.

 

[BlandChili]

We have Jeremy sending Ian videos of fucking Alison, but no one is crying how Jeremy is corrupting Alison into having wild BBC sex, potentially with his friend. And where the heck does the whole rape aspect come from here? As far as i can tell people are presuming that Ivy is drugging Holly without her knowledge and running with that, when there's literally zero evidence that Holly isn't taking the drugs willingly? (if she was even drugged)

And let's not forget that Holly fucks other guys like Clark on her own, and willingly sends pictures from these hookups to Ivy. And if given a chance, will jump on Ian as soon as opportunity appears. Are we going to clutch pearls that Ivy clearly must've drugged Holly in these instances, too?

I'll just add too, going off that one picture alone, of her beeing loopy-eyed after some BBC, that it could just as well be a lack of oxygen.

This might be a presumption of mine, but I imagine not too many of the men posting here knows what it's like to throat a cock, so just take me at my word when I say that light-headedness isn't too uncommon. Especially if the fella insists on releasing inside! It takes practice to be good at having your face fucked. Practice I assume Holly is still lacking, even with a variable labelling her as a "slut"

 

[Hungover00]

We have Jeremy sending Ian videos of fucking Alison, but no one is crying how Jeremy is corrupting Alison into having wild BBC sex, potentially with his friend. And where the heck does the whole rape aspect come from here? As far as i can tell people are presuming that Ivy is drugging Holly without her knowledge and running with that, when there's literally zero evidence that Holly isn't taking the drugs willingly? (if she was even drugged)

And let's not forget that Holly fucks other guys like Clark on her own, and willingly sends pictures from these hookups to Ivy. And if given a chance, will jump on Ian as soon as opportunity appears. Are we going to clutch pearls that Ivy clearly must've drugged Holly in these instances, too?

I know the drugging part hasn't been confirmed, but even Lena calls it out in dialogue, and Ivy is also the one that gives/offers Lena drugs at least twice. So it's a pretty safe assumption that's part of what's going on.

But also, I completely agree with you, Holly does seem to be consenting to everything up to that point, even if Ivy and Lena need to pressure her to get there. It does make it a bit murky if it's a healthy relationship, or a toxic one, but rape seems too far in everything we see before the gloryhole. Exploitation might be more accurate. But the gloryhole may have been more coercive, it's hard to tell yet, since Ivy did it without Lena around. More sneakiness and deniability?

I'll just add too, going off that one picture alone, of her beeing loopy-eyed after some BBC, that it could just as well be a lack of oxygen.

This might be a presumption of mine, but I imagine not too many of the men posting here knows what it's like to throat a cock, so just take me at my word when I say that light-headedness isn't too uncommon. Especially if the fella insists on releasing inside! It takes practice to be good at having your face fucked. Practice I assume Holly is still lacking, even with a variable labelling her as a "slut"

I'mma bet it's a combination of drugs and being face fucked.

 

[BlandChili]

I'mma bet it's a combination of drugs and being face fucked.

That's of course an option as well. It could also be a picture taken of her during motion and therefore not mean anything at all lol. I don't think anyone looks good retching after a deepthroat. I mean, unless you're into gagging I guess.

 

[Hungover00]

That's of course an option as well. It could also be a picture taken of her during motion and therefore not mean anything at all lol. I don't think anyone looks good retching after a deepthroat. I mean, unless you're into gagging I guess.

The fucking conversations on this platform it's absurd at times.

But not bad.

 

[Xupuzulla]

That poor girl from GOD was not high on cock.
Stop giving a pass to Ivy FUCKING Feynman

 

[ffive]

There is a difference in accountability between two friends fucking and a person in a glory hole under drugs.

Who is to say Alison wasn't drugged and that she normally wouldn't participate in such sex? That Jeremy isn't "corrupting her" behind the scenes? There's more than one time where Ian notes that Alison acts surprisingly uninhibited and in a manner he'd never think her to act. And she also keeps escalating her wild behavior.

(this is of course just playing devil's advocate, but the point is, we have zero information in both cases. But in one we choose to jump to conclusions, and in other it doesn't even occur to make such conclusions to some people. One could very well say that's just more of those supposed double standards)

Rape isn't merely defined by nonconsent, it can also happen if a person is forcefully pushed to sexual acts. Its ambigious, how far Holly wants to go, is aware of the consequences or in a aware state at all.

Right, precisely: it's ambiguous, if you want to be nice about it. Or a pure conjecture in terms of what we know, if one wants to be blunt.

Claiming that Holly got raped and that Ivy is a rapist "but she gets a pass" as if this is some sort of established fact instead of nothing but a wild fan theory, that's presumptuous, as best. It goes quite beyond calling it out as a potential rape.

edit: Also, it may be worth to remember this game doesn't have rape tag. I really doubt EK is developing a "Ivy is raping Holly" storyline here.

 

[El_Magnifico]

That poor girl from GOD was not high on cock.
Stop giving a pass to Ivy FUCKING Feynman

I thought I hated some ponytail bitch in another game but I was wrong. When I see you shit on Ivy every week, I realize what's real hate feels like.

 

[Hungover00]

but we was able before choice ian/lena open relationship? i remember ian saying they experience things,in earlies chapters.

The first 'open relationship' is brought up in the park (chapter 7 or 8 iirc) and that is not treated how most would define an open relationship as, but more an agreement to experiment together (basically, it's saying they are open to the idea of threesomes and such).

The second (true) open relationship discussion is at the beach house, and that actually reflects the normal interpretation of what that means, ie. they are dating, but are allowed to have sex outside their relationship. But that relationship is the primary. They never really discussed the worry of catching feelings, so poor communication hits again.

 

[Gicoo]

Who is to say Alison wasn't drugged and that she normally wouldn't participate in such sex? That Jeremy isn't "corrupting her" behind the scenes?

Her proactive behaviour when she seeks out Jeremy/Ian on her own. Unlike Holly, who is pushed to every men she should fuck.
We have enough information to ascertain that Alison seeks them out on her own and isn't under drug influence, else it would be highlighted. I question Hollys mental capacities in how smoothly and easily she is corrupted by Ivy and Lena and differentiate it with other women who are much more confident and in control. Bleaching your hair and nipple piercings are a significantly milder form of corruption and manipulation (if at all) than doing a glory hole.

Claiming that Holly got raped and that Ivy is a rapist "but she gets a pass" as if this is some sort of established fact instead of nothing but a wild fan theory, that's presumptuous, as best. It goes quite beyond calling it out as a potential rape.

Depends on your definition of rape, so Ivy is absolutely a rapists and Holly a victim if they fit that definition.

 

[Eleanorduval]

The first 'open relationship' is brought up in the park (chapter 7 or 8 iirc) and that is not treated how most would define an open relationship as, but more an agreement to experiment together (basically, it's saying they are open to the idea of threesomes and such).

The second (true) open relationship discussion is at the beach house, and that actually reflects the normal interpretation of what that means, ie. they are dating, but are allowed to have sex outside their relationship. But that relationship is the primary. They never really discussed the worry of catching feelings, so poor communication hits again.

what is the holly trinity?

 

[Xupuzulla]

I thought I hated some ponytail bitch in another game but I was wrong. When I see you shit on Ivy every week, I realize what's real hate feels like.

I mean im defending Holly of all peoplethat never happened before.
Im still waiting for the Ivy essays btw you guys loved writing about Robert and his "evil" acts,where is the outrage for Ivy actions and her evil stench being felt all over game.
WHERE!?

 

[Saerwen]

There is a difference in accountability between two friends fucking and a person in a glory hole under drugs.


Rape isn't merely defined by nonconsent, it can also happen if a person is forcefully pushed to sexual acts. Its ambigious, how far Holly wants to go, is aware of the consequences or in a aware state at all. Just silently obeying to everything Lena and Ivy command her, doesn't make their orders right by default. For whats worth, it is a moraly grey area and people may disagree on who is responsible to which extent.

Calling out that it is potentially rape and a crime that can mess up Holly is fair, just as enjoying this uglier storyline. Most people here a desensitized or rather play the game with a desensitized mindset, since porn often accomodates towards taboos and crimes, especially in the corruption genre.

Who is to say Alison wasn't drugged and that she normally wouldn't participate in such sex? That Jeremy isn't "corrupting her" behind the scenes? There's more than one time where Ian notes that Alison acts surprisingly uninhibited and in a manner he'd never think her to act. And she also keeps escalating her wild behavior.

(this is of course just playing devil's advocate, but the point is, we have zero information in both cases. But in one we choose to jump to conclusions, and in other it doesn't even occur to make such conclusions to some people. One could very well say that's just more of those supposed double standards)


Right, precisely: it's ambiguous, if you want to be nice about it. Or a pure conjecture in terms of what we know, if one wants to be blunt.

It's called dub-con in fanfiction which is borderline on non-con. It's popular and writers use it when they want to write dark content but are uncomfortable with the non-con as taboo theme.

 

[Hungover00]

what is the holly trinity?

The Holly Trinity is when you manage to get Ian, Lena, and Holly into a throuple relationship (not just a threesome). There's a few different paths, but essentially it's Ian&Lena, later add Holly, or Ian&Holly, later add Lena.

It's a pun on Holy Trinity, but Holly is kinda an honourary protagonist in ORS.

 

[bonerland]

Who is to say Alison wasn't drugged and that she normally wouldn't participate in such sex? That Jeremy isn't "corrupting her" behind the scenes? There's more than one time where Ian notes that Alison acts surprisingly uninhibited and in a manner he'd never think her to act. And she also keeps escalating her wild behavior.

(this is of course just playing devil's advocate, but the point is, we have zero information in both cases. But in one we choose to jump to conclusions, and in other it doesn't even occur to make such conclusions to some people. One could very well say that's just more of those supposed double standards)


Right, precisely: it's ambiguous, if you want to be nice about it. Or a pure conjecture in terms of what we know, if one wants to be blunt.

Claiming that Holly got raped and that Ivy is a rapist "but she gets a pass" as if this is some sort of established fact instead of nothing but a wild fan theory, that's presumptuous, as best. It goes quite beyond calling it out as a potential rape.

edit: Also, it may be worth to remember this game doesn't have rape tag. I really doubt EK is developing a "Ivy is raping Holly" storyline here.

Besides the lack of any evidence to say otherwise? Ian also hadn't seen Alison in years and hadn't been in the bedroom with her on that particular path either, so that's hardly concrete. And it's not zero info, Ivy does have drugs and pushes them onto Lena twice, and Lena herself says Holly looked doped up in that particular picture. It's not double standards, it's just making connections. It may be conjecture at this point, but not wholly unfounded conjecture either.

Good Girl Gone Bad didn't have a rape tag either, and that definitely had less than consensual scenes in it.

 

[varpep]

I mean im defending Holly of all peoplethat never happened before.
Im still waiting for the Ivy essays btw you guys loved writing about Robert and his "evil" acts,where is the outrage for Ivy actions and her evil stench being felt all over game.
WHERE!?

I guess time will tell all. When it finally comes out that Ivy has been drugging Holly and manipulating Lena because of her deal with Axel, you can be the first to scream "I told ya so!" and rub it all in our faces...no Diddy

 

[Hungover00]

It's called dub-con in fanfiction which is borderline on non-con. It's popular and writers use it when they want to write dark content but are uncomfortable with the non-con as taboo theme.

Dub-con = dubious consent, I'm gathering?

And cool to find out the proper term. It's basically rule 34, I know there's a kink for that, even if I've never looked into it before.

 

[Eleanorduval]

The Holly Trinity is when you manage to get Ian, Lena, and Holly into a throuple relationship (not just a threesome). There's a few different paths, but essentially it's Ian&Lena, later add Holly, or Ian&Holly, later add Lena.

It's a pun on Holy Trinity, but Holly is kinda an honourary protagonist in ORS.

after holly trinity u can things with holly without considere it cheating?

 

[Hungover00]

after holly trinity u can things with holly without considere it cheating?

Yes, and so far it's pure threesomes.

 

[BlandChili]

after holly trinity u can things with holly without considere it cheating?

We don't really know yet, I think scenes that would have been solo Ian/Lena and Ian/Holly scenes all just become threesome scenes. It might actually be interesting to see how much Ian gets to fuck either girl by themselves or how much they'll have sex without him for trinity.