VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Saerwen]

On the off chance you aren't aware. The original design of Emma had a significantly more muscular silhouette.

Not enough sex scenes with an atmosphere like this. Both MMC and FMC playing a billiar and betting charged with sexual tension that ends up in sex. God, so many ideas for exhibitionism, voyeurism and variety of public sex but we are stuck with Devs who are uncreative.

 

[What'sNew]

It is a new character, In the Chapter 14.1 Status Report (6), EK teases us about him and two other girls by showing us their silhouettes, one kinda reminded me of a slightly thiccer Jolene, which would have made sense in context and is one of the few characters left from GGGB that have not appeared in a cameo

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Thanks for the reminder. Is Jolene that one girl with Tyrone from GGGB? I seem to recall a girl like that.

I can see her being the one on the left given the slimmer build since the right girl gives me milf/mature vibes.

 

[ffive]

I have noticed that on the topic of ORS you are always right. Seems it does not apply to everything though. Or at least let me qualify your statement above:
90% TRY the gym to look good and score. However they do not stick to it, because no-one endures such pain for long for such futile reasons.
Exactly 0% of people who STICK to the gym every 48 hours for years are what you describe, and 100% of people who STICK to the gym every 48 hours for years are what Searing5 describes.

Note, i have never said the 90% who are casual and do it for the shallow reasons stick with the gym. No, they attend for a bit and/or irregularly, give up at some point and are replaced by other casuals. Ones who also attend for a bit, then move on, etc. But overall, this constantly shifting group still makes up that proverbial 90% of the customers, volume-wise.

So yeah. I don't disagree with what you say here, but at the same time it doesn't really contradict my point, either.

 

[Mesmerizet]

Are there any scense I missed in this chapter ? I just see a few slut Holly scenes tbh

 

[SearingFive]

Note, i have never said the 90% who are casual and do it for the shallow reasons stick with the gym. No, they attend for a bit and/or irregularly, give up at some point and are replaced by other casuals. Ones who also attend for a bit, then move on, etc. But overall, this constantly shifting group still makes up that proverbial 90% of the customers, volume-wise.

So yeah. I don't disagree with what you say here, but at the same time it doesn't really contradict my point, either.

Ah, so we’ve moved from talking about the motivations of people who stick with the gym to overall customer churn rates.

That’s… a creative way to make sure you’re never technically wrong.

Completely different topic now, but hey, if it keeps the conversation comfortable for you, go for it champ.

 

[ffive]

Ah, so we’ve moved from talking about the motivations of people who stick with the gym to overall customer churn rates.

That’s… a creative way to make sure you’re never technically wrong.

Eh, that's because i wasn't. It's hardly my fault if you've seemingly interpreted simple "guys out there" as "a group made entirely of those who do it religiously 3 times a week, preferably at 5 a.m."

(it also wasn't me who introduced this aspect to the discussion, so take that up with DaLuke2 instead..?)

 

[Gicoo]

The original point was that the gym shouldn't help Stan in particular, since he only entered because Lena told him and seems to think thats the only thing he has do to to get pussy. Basically skipping everything else, expecting to get automatically rewarded as long as he just tries and likely once again blaming everyone but himself when it won't work out. It neglects on what was later on elaborated, how the gym is meant to be a first step of many.

 

[ffive]

All you nay-sayers will be soooo sorry when Stan comes back ripped after just three gym sessions and Lola starts bringing him tribute of Lena's wet panties.

edit: mark my words, here's free Ch.15 preview:

 

[Gicoo]

My my main point is that the Stan improvement route is badly written and not realistic. Lena tells him to hit the gym, he does it exclusively to please her instead for himself, misssing the entire point of long term self-improvement. If nothing else happens, then we could very well get an even more unrealistic development of Stan turning out like Eric and magically getting Lena, just because he hit the gym.

By comparison, Bernards redemption in GGGB was better. He improved by attending job interviews, not giving up after one, and there was a longer development going on throughout the game (instead of Stan starting in chapter 11), relating to several issues (not going after his wife, keeping the house and himself clean).

 

[ffive]

My my main point is that the Stan improvement route is badly written and not realistic. Lena tells him to hit the gym, he does it exclusively to please her instead for himself, misssing the entire point of long term self-improvement.

Right, but like others pointed out, attending the gym even "for wrong reasons" still impairs self-improvement benefits on a person if they stick with it for a while. Even if that's not what they explicitly sought as the reason to attend. So i don't think it's all that reasonable to write off Stan who does it as someone who won't gain any actual improvement from this experience. It wouldn't be unrealistic development for Stan to find some confidence in himself and gain some more social graces, all of those affecting how he is perceived.

 

[Turret]

My my main point is that the Stan improvement route is badly written and not realistic. Lena tells him to hit the gym, he does it exclusively to please her instead for himself, misssing the entire point of long term self-improvement.

You are missing the main point of Home, eh, self improvement

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

My my main point is that the Stan improvement route is badly written and not realistic. Lena tells him to hit the gym, he does it exclusively to please her instead for himself, misssing the entire point of long term self-improvement. If nothing else happens, then we could very well get an even more unrealistic development of Stan turning out like Eric and magically getting Lena, just because he hit the gym.

By comparison, Bernards redemption in GGGB was better. He improved by attending job interviews, not giving up after one, and there was a longer development going on throughout the game (instead of Stan starting in chapter 11), relating to several issues (not going after his wife, keeping the house and himself clean).

Well, there's nothing surprising about that, Stan's path is the path of a socially awkward guy who got a hot girl and succeeded with her by some magic, going to the gym to try get a certain girl to like you because SHE TOLD YOU SO is the ultimate simp mindset "maybe she's gonna like me more"
Spoiler: it never works like that

 

[Blurpee69]

I guess I'm misremembering, because I don't have a real Stan path. But isn't it also possible for him to just sign up for a gym on his own? Like I have a playthrough where Lena has been nice to Stan, but never did anything that leads him on, basically none of the awkward conversations, and he signed up for a gym in that playthrough. I'm pretty sure he specifically cites self improvement and thanking Lena for her advice. I guess you could still call that simp behavior, but it seemed to come from a much more genuine place of "I want to be better, but don't really know where to start"

 

[ffive]

But isn't it also possible for him to just sign up for a gym on his own?

It doesn't seem to be the case. In my play through Lena has been neutral with Stan (never triggered his incel manifesto etc) and he's... just there, somewhere. Basically only shows up briefly for the rent-related scenes and that's it.

Not sure what would trigger it if he did this on his own, if it happened to you, but i'd guess it could be slightly higher relationship score with Lena.

 

[falsapersona]

On the off chance you aren't aware. The original design of Emma had a significantly more muscular silhouette.

I wouldn't have minded a death by snu snu ending by an amazon goddess. Also, a buff Emma would have provided a more interesting dynamic in a Perry/Emma match, considering how quirky Perry is he may have been okay with a bit of femdom

My my main point is that the Stan improvement route is badly written and not realistic. Lena tells him to hit the gym, he does it exclusively to please her instead for himself, misssing the entire point of long term self-improvement. If nothing else happens, then we could very well get an even more unrealistic development of Stan turning out like Eric and magically getting Lena, just because he hit the gym.

Stan's possible development is okay-ish. It could feel a bit rushed and a bit cliché, but we keep seeing stuff like this because, as consumers, we have gotten used to this trope

Would have been better if, like Holly, it had started in the early chapters? Absolutely! But he doesn't need to become the next Mr Olympic or end up with Lena to deliver the point of his good arc, if we ever get to see a Stan that comes to realize that self-care and the decision to change your bad habits can have a positive effect on your life overall, I'd dare to say that is more than enough

I guess I'm misremembering, because I don't have a real Stan path. But isn't it also possible for him to just sign up for a gym on his own? Like I have a playthrough where Lena has been nice to Stan, but never did anything that leads him on, basically none of the awkward conversations, and he signed up for a gym in that playthrough. I'm pretty sure he specifically cites self improvement and thanking Lena for her advice. I guess you could still call that simp behavior, but it seemed to come from a much more genuine place of "I want to be better, but don't really know where to start"

Lena needs to be nice to him and side with him when Louise mistreats him. If you mistreat him, he doubles down on his bad tendencies and stays an incel

 

[Chemish]

On the off chance you aren't aware. The original design of Emma had a significantly more muscular silhouette.

Ah, buff Emma.

 

[Erectosaurus]

Pulling the conversation away from Stan for a bit, I wonder if Louise is supposed to be a genuine LI or if she’s just the “don’t stick your dick in crazy” option for Ian that will blow up in his face.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

The original point was that the gym shouldn't help Stan in particular

I feel like this is the only reason this is dragging on.

For you: it SHOULDN'T help someone to seek improvement for outside reasons and everyone should somehow improve from within.

But thats an idealistic and unrealistic view on life.

A friend of mine knocked up a girl and she wanted to keep the baby. He didn't. Dude was legally obliged to deal with it though.

He ended up going back to school, worked his ass off and ended up getting a good job.

He's a good father and he's paid well now.

Did he do it because he got an inspiration from within to do the right thing? Nah. He did it because he fucked up and had to deal with it.

He improved still. He put his life in order, studied hard, got competent and got a good job that pays well as a result.

We don't live in a damn vacuum. People are constantly influenced by outside reasons to make drastic changes.

For ORS: Stan somehow working out and making changes to his life to please Lena isn't unrealistic and just because he's doing for a girl dont mean the changes won't compound into positive change in his life regardless of the outcome.

 

[Gicoo]

Pulling the conversation away from Stan for a bit, I wonder if Louise is supposed to be a genuine LI or if she’s just the “don’t stick your dick in crazy” option for Ian that will blow up in his face.

Yeah, she seems like a trap (no, not that kind of trap character) to be a bad partner for Ian to ruin his life. Since she is only available so late, Ian is almost guaranteed to already be in a relationship, so she very likely freaks out sooner or later. Its also suspicious that the relationship tag can be applied to her that quickly. For Lena and Cindy, it took 9 chapters, even much longer for Holly and Alison. Everything about her and Ian is rushed.

I'm a bit optimistic it can work though, because I keep saves with single Ian and his handling of Louise isn't that bad. If he chooses the relationship tag, it may be to soon and end in disappointment, but he can also ease her down and take it slowly with a charisma option. That option could be the equivalent of the wits option with Cindy. In both cases, he is setting healthy boundaries.

 

[Socrambus]

On the off chance you aren't aware. The original design of Emma had a significantly more muscular silhouette.

Which was quite out of character for a vegetarian political activist with no physical demanding job and not even showing any interest on going to the gym.