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It does feel like EK is frustrated by Seymour not being more popular and she doenst know what to do with him anymore...
Maybe Andrea was right and you needed to go full Dubai shit on that route,Evakiss:whistle:
Nah, I think his route is pretty clear he will want you as a trophy wife / muse kind of deal if you actually agree to go with him with some variations if you are posh, in an NTR relationship with Ian, dominant / sub... And I am hoping there is also the option to go along with him but dump him at some point when he is no longer useful and go with your real couple.
 
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Exactly!

Sorry, that is incorrect. Baluart is a fictional city somewhere in Spain, probably Extremadura, Toledo, Valladolid or some other central region, since that would fit with the travel time they have to the coast for the weekend getaway.
Or...It could be a Portland knockoff? Maybe even something from the UK.

Besides if it truly was Spain, why do people there have such American/British-centric names?

Jeremy. Lena. Ian. Axel, Ivy, Stan, Emma, Gillian, Cindy, Robert, Arthur?

Besides some French names like Louise and Marcel, there are practically no Iberian/Latino names there at all.
 

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Baluart is clearly a Euro city,the setting and vibe of the game does feels like a mix of European and American culture through,like the names Yellowie pointed out.
 
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Sorry, that is incorrect. Baluart is a fictional city somewhere in Spain, probably Extremadura, Toledo, Valladolid or some other central region, since that would fit with the travel time they have to the coast for the weekend getaway.
Deep pockets and political connections help you with legal issues probably anywhere in the world. Spain is certainly part of the rule, not the exception.
 

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I suppose Baluart is designed to be an ambiguous city; it could easily be an American or a European city. Some things we know about the city:

- It's a university city, with a strong focus on arts and culture.

- It's a medium-sized city, but an economic and cultural engine for the region (Lena's parents live in another city, and Lena and Ivy moved to Baluart as soon as they could).

- It has high-speed trains and is well connected to other cities.

- It's a few hours from the coast.

- It has large green areas, and the characters don't need to use the car.
 

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Or...It could be a Portland knockoff? Maybe even something from the UK.

Besides if it truly was Spain, why do people there have such American/British-centric names?

Jeremy. Lena. Ian. Axel, Ivy, Stan, Emma, Gillian, Cindy, Robert, Arthur?

Besides some French names like Louise and Marcel, there are practically no Iberian/Latino names there at all.
those are germanic,slavic or greek names brother not American/british
 
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I suppose Baluart is designed to be an ambiguous city; it could easily be an American or a European city. Some things we know about the city:

- It's a university city, with a strong focus on arts and culture.

- It's a medium-sized city, but an economic and cultural engine for the region (Lena's parents live in another city, and Lena and Ivy moved to Baluart as soon as they could).

- It has high-speed trains and is well connected to other cities.

- It's a few hours from the coast.

- It has large green areas, and the characters don't need to use the car.
Yeah based on that information, it's possible that it's somewhere in the UK. It's the melting pot of Europe with the most diverse groups of people. It would also explain the more obvious British-centric names like Arthur, Robert, Cindy and Wade.
 

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Or...It could be a Portland knockoff? Maybe even something from the UK.
Besides if it truly was Spain, why do people there have such American/British-centric names?
Jeremy. Lena. Ian. Axel, Ivy, Stan, Emma, Gillian, Cindy, Robert, Arthur?
Besides some French names like Louise and Marcel, there are practically no Iberian/Latino names there at all.
Hi! The names (which are less America/British centric than you think, these are from Germanic, Greek, Slavic, Latin stock) were taken for an international player base, but Baluart is very much a middle-sized university city in Spain. Not near the top centers like Madrid, Barcelona or Sevilla, but the regional home hot spot somewhere in central Spain. I mentioned some regions which are very probable like the Extremadura or Valladolid.
In addition we have some characters which are clearly based on Spanish people. Seymour is like a composite of Mariano Rajoy/Jonathan Goldsmith or the mayor candidate is a Pedro Sanchez lookalike and I would bet that Perry´s father is based on a regional governor.
 
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He's the reverse Axel. Axel is more physically threatening and intimidating: he's a tank and bruiser and willing to pound someone to death if it meant getting his way. Seymour is a rich prick who is not physically intimidating, he's pretty average body wise. But it's his personality, demeanour and connections that make him a threat. He doesn't lash out aggressively like Axel, he seethes in rage and then acts from the comfort of home/safety.
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"Pound" huh? Interesting choice of phrasing.

Seymour is a villain there is no doubt about it, I think his lameness actually makes him a more dangerous villain because he is potebtially underestimated in what amd how he can destroy the characters.

I wouldn't be surprised given his connection to incestous Arthur, that the "house party" he has Billy invite Lena, Ivy and Jess is, is actually his idea and a ploy to blackmail Lena into porn.

Yeah based on that information, it's possible that it's somewhere in the UK. It's the melting pot of Europe with the most diverse groups of people. It would also explain the more obvious British-centric names like Arthur, Robert, Cindy and Wade.
Baluart is definifely not in a fictional America. The architecture alone and existence of high speed trains negates that.

More like a fictional Iberia, where people speak English and have more English sounding names.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised given his connection to incestous Arthur, that the "house party" he has Billy invite Lena, Ivy and Jess is, is actually his idea and a ploy to blackmail Lena into porn.
That'd be quite a bit of unnecessary stretch on routes where Lena was already doing Stalkfap and Seymour made her shut that down. If he wanted her to do porn he could've just put himself in the role of director of her orgasms, not just the architect. :whistle:
 
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I wouldn't be surprised given his connection to incestous Arthur, that the "house party" he has Billy invite Lena, Ivy and Jess is, is actually his idea and a ploy to blackmail Lena into porn.
How exactly? Not only his contract with Lena is ended and he cut off ties with her, Seymour have nothing on Lena to blackmail her. In fact, Lena might be curious to do it on her own. Besides having a Stalkfap, she can already do amateur web camming which is more interesting than filming porn. We already have Ashley for that.
 

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That'd be quite a bit of unnecessary stretch on routes where Lena was already doing Stalkfap and Seymour made her shut that down. If he wanted her to do porn he could've just put himself in the role of director of her orgasms, not just the architect. :whistle:
Yeah, I agree. It's clear that he's more interested in a hot trophy wife. One that's smart and knows how to keep her mouth shut and stuffed with his wiener. It also makes complete sense too, because he isolates her from any job opportunities to grow her career, forcing her to rely on him. And for the most part, what she does is less of a 'job' and more of a sort of forced prostitution. It's way more depraved than Stalkfap (Lena's choice) or the Nude Modelling she did with Beta Photographer (can't remember name) and the Gallery. Both of those modelling opportunities are entirely artistic and not meant for depravity. (I'm sure some losers still go there for it, but it's not lewd in nature. No different than Renaissance paintings of women.)
 
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First off: Pardon, but if you look through the thread and listen to a couple patrons what they whine about Seymour, it is pretty clear most expected a moustache twirler! Just remember the stupid discussion about Lena being sold to a sheik.
You're missing the point. Nobody is expecting Seymour to appear through a flame cone, have demon wings and talk Cthuvian. We know he isn't pure evil. He is still the main antagonist though. That is established. He had a grandiose introduction where the world around Lena effectively stopped until she met him. That's not 'morally gray', that's bad guy shit.
I am sorry to have to tell you there are paths in the game, where this does not happen. On the contrary, on some paths Seymour saves the Cafe, shoulders expensive medical bills he had no need to and was not even expected to do so, just for example. He can do good if he wants to.
I explained already that dealing with him meant you had to make compromises. Again, it is established. You ignore him as Lena, everything starts falling apart. You don't and now you look like the richest bitch in town.

Same with Ian and working for Hierophant and the relationship with Viktor as well as the implications regarding your integrity, etc.

Seymour was designed as the guy who always has the upper hand, at all times. You gain something from him and lose something of your character.

People are disappointed that with Lena he becomes a mellow simp. He got disarmed and neutered really fucking quickly. It's very inconsistent with his initial buildup and kills any narrative tension you once had thanks to him. He lost that aura of a man who could do shit with absolute impunity.
 
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Hi guys, discussion running, target bullseyed!:)

First off: Pardon, but if you look through the thread and listen to a couple patrons what they whine about Seymour, it is pretty clear most expected a moustache twirler! Just remember the stupid discussion about Lena being sold to a sheik.

Terry, I am sorry to have to tell you there are paths in the game, where this does not happen. On the contrary, on some paths Seymour saves the Cafe, shoulders expensive medical bills he had no need to and was not even expected to do so, just for example. He can do good if he wants to.
Seymour is not a beaming hero, he is cunning, clever, likes to have his "personalised deck to play" and has few qualms about seizing his advantage, but that is hardly worse than an average businessman. On most paths he is that main antagonist, that is true, but not all evil (as seems many players believed) and on several paths he is hardly an antagonist.

Someone mentioned the mayor election. Yes, Seymour tries to get a candidate through he prefers for his business, being a grey eminence. To be cynical, that is not worse than what has become the norm in our democracies in the last years, that parties bring incompetent losers into cushy positions due to party membership. To be blunt, Perry for all his faults hints several times that his father is not a very successful mayor. Seymour jumping on the ship of the candidate which will probably win is opportunistic, but not dumb.
I’m no expert, but is there any scenario where he doesn’t interfere with Lena’s ability to get a job? Because if not, then no matter what else he does with his money (which isn’t a problem for him since he’s rich), he’s still the villain. He’s manipulating her. No one is pure evil—I’m not saying he kills puppies for fun. I’m saying there’s no room for debate about whether he’s a bad person or not.
 
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Honestly, I never gave two fucks about Seymour, he just has a very punchable face. Very uninteresting character, all of his dialogue lines seem like he thinks he’s much smarter than he actually is, not even gonna get into his poor understanding of Nietzsche’s philosophy.
My interest in Lena’s character continues to diminish with every release. I liked her way better at the beginning, now Ian’s storylines feel much more compelling to me. I think that’s due to the fact the characters Ian interacts with are more interesting than those fucks Lena interacts with. You can see Ian have a future with his partners, with Lena, aside from Ian, you just can’t see it.
 
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Honestly, I never gave two fucks about Seymour, he just has a very punchable face. Very uninteresting character, all of his dialogue lines seem like he thinks he’s much smarter than he actually is, not even gonna get into his poor understanding of Nietzsche’s philosophy.
My interest in Lena’s character continues to diminish with every release. I liked her way better at the beginning, now Ian’s storylines feel much more compelling to me. I think that’s due to the fact the characters Ian interacts with are more interesting than those fucks Lena interacts with. You can see Ian have a future with his partners, with Lena, aside from Ian, you just can’t see it.
Well, I can't wait for Lena to wipe Ivy's smirk off her face with her fist and bitch slap Cindy more.
 
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