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Gotta love how Eva tries so hard to make Louise less appealing and supposedly be inferior to Lena, when she is just as gorgeous as the rest. Just how Alison is supposed to be overbearing and passive aggressive, but no one cares about that since she jumps in Ians arms anyways. Instead, their possessiveness, jealousy and immaturity are interpreted as devotion.
 

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There might be more truth in this than we think! EK was once a very reliable dev, but today? Hardly, postponement is following postponement.
For comparison, another game I am very invested in does definitely update in the coming days. We already know it will have over 2000 renders, several dozen animations, a novella length dialog and has several specific paths (less than ORS, but still quite distinct ones) and despite this very sizeable update the devs are humble and even warn(!) that the update might be short on some very specific sub routes. And this "short" is very much in the eyes of the beholder, since even the shortest updated route will be longer in playtime than the whole update length of many other AVNs here.

See the difference? One dev brings out a sizeable update in his usual time interval range, EK sadly went into the long line of Devs who are unreliable. Many postponements, very mixed sized updates.
To be fair, you should also mention that this sizable update took close to 9 months to produce. Which is more than twice as long as EK has been working on the next chapter for her game. And that we're only getting it this "soon" and only as a part of what was originally planned because the authors were experiencing heavy buildup of fatigue from working on it with no clear end in sight.

To put it in context, last time EK took 9+ months to produce an update people were screaming bloody murder in here how this is unacceptable and how they're going to write more strongly worded letters to drive the point home just how unacceptable that is. :whistle:
 

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Oh, so I should just shut up and kiss ass to a Dev who constantly has writers block and is skilled issued with her own storytelling and management skills? That shutting up will make her "unspite me" Please... Thats the most brain dead take to have. Everyone here has an opinion and voice. Praising and Critisizing Devs is a mainstay. Devs should be critisized for their projects to understand what things they should improve on and get better at. Not surrounded by kiss ass morons who want to create a safe space for thinned skinned pansy ass individuals who can't take any sort of feedback that challenges their own notion.

Good job, good effort. 0/10 joke. Would not tell again Felicia.
Calm down friend. Ivy will get plenty of dick this update. Sadly for you I don't think one of them will be Ian's
 
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To be fair, you should also mention that this sizable update took close to 9 months to produce. Which is more than twice as long as EK has been working on the next chapter for her game. And that we're only getting it this "soon" and only as a part of what was originally planned because the authors were experiencing heavy buildup of fatigue from working on it with no clear end in sight.

To put it in context, last time EK took 9+ months to produce an update people were screaming bloody murder in here how this is unacceptable and how they're going to write more strongly worded letters to drive the point home just how unacceptable that is. :whistle:
The issue is with EK taking 9 months for this update is that it's not going to be take long of an update. Likely 10-15 minutes worth of content, half an hour pending on which fetish is triggered on paths. Thats a very bad ratio.

There are devs who can put out a quality update in 3-6 months work that have more weight in impact and story in that short time. Others games, it does vary depending on how big the game is and other factors.
 
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Last mayor update was in march, so we needed half a year for... 2/3 of a chapter? I forgot if the third day was included and if it was stated if these three days are the entirety of chapter 14. Or if those three days are just Lenas side and then we get Ians half. Then the chapter would take even longer to be completed.

With half a year or nine months per chapter, even an early ending around chapter 16 still takes a while. At earliest 2027, but at this rate, a ten year development until 2030 is just as realistic. Man, over 10% of ones life span for this single game.
 

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The issue is with EK taking 9 months for this update is that it's not going to be take long of an update. Likely 10-15 minutes worth of content, half an hour pending on which fetish is triggered on paths. Thats a very bad ratio.

There are devs who can put out a quality update in 3-6 months work that have more weight in impact and story in that short time. Others games, it does vary depending on how big the game is and other factors.
Hmm can they, really? I genuinely can't think right off the bat of any such game around here that i have on follow, at least. The ones which do produce sizable updates of good quality take 9-12 months per update or sometimes even more.

"Good, big, fast: pick two" applies to amateur porn game development as much as it does to everything else, by the looks of it. For many of the devs it's not even "pick two" but just one, if any at all.
 
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To be fair, you should also mention that this sizable update took close to 9 months to produce. Which is more than twice as long as EK has been working on the next chapter for her game. And that we're only getting it this "soon" and only as a part of what was originally planned because the authors were experiencing heavy buildup of fatigue from working on it with no clear end in sight.

To put it in context, last time EK took 9+ months to produce an update people were screaming bloody murder in here how this is unacceptable and how they're going to write more strongly worded letters to drive the point home just how unacceptable that is. :whistle:
While this is correct, the 6-9 months per update is the usual timeframe, it was not postponed. Also the Devs decided to release now because the size of the update is also in the usual range. It is simply the fact they tried an overlarge chapter in one go and saw themselves that is not a good idea.
And in the context of ORS development, the last time EK took 9+ months it was an outrage especially because it was already nearly a year since some new stuff, not reworks, came out. In addition, a full chapter takes EK at least as long as an update for PC does with more than one postponement.
 
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Hmm can they, really? I genuinely can't think right off the bat of any such game around here that i have on follow, at least. The ones which do produce sizable updates of good quality take 9-12 months per update or sometimes even more.

"Good, big, fast: pick two" applies to amateur porn game development as much as it does to everything else, by the looks of it. For many of the devs it's not even "pick two" but just one, if any at all.
These "devs who can put out a quality update in 3-6 months" he speaks of do not exist. Bro talks out of his ass
 

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Not wrong. Considering I did pay her for a time only to stop paying once the first set of reworks came out of no where.

The biggest issue with some devs is that they either surround themselves with certain yesmen and think that whatever harebrained idea is good for the game, turns out to not be a good idea. (Cough Cough DPC, Ocean, Braindrop, EK, etc.) Another issue is that you have devs that "want" to try and make everyone happy but instead listen to certain elements of the paybase and ignore characters and pairings that don't see the light of day other than a one off scene.

EK in this case has listened far too much from her NTR/BBC/Cuckold players and rewarding them over and over again with more scenes and stuff to boot, while neglecting characters and pairing such as Ian and Ivy, and other pairings, all for the sake of that fetishists money she gets when she appeases the vocal brain dead masses. As a result, the story drops in quality, characters get shafted in terms of screen time, and pairings have to wait another year or more before getting there turn, if that. IanxIvy is now going on 6 years without anything, inspite of EK "promising" and "proclaiming" it's going to happen or that the pairing was on the back burner all because she couldn't think of a way to impliment them. I can deadass come up with a manner for them to hit things off in a span of 5-10 minutes, and EK is going on 6 years? Yeah, at this point EK is literally trying to save this shitshow of writing and management because she got overallly ambitious with this project and didn't actually plan shit out and stick to her true vision of the story and listened far too much for the fetishists.
Idk, I'm not sure Eva listens to patrons. There's no proof. I mean, it's ambiguous enough. There are Devs who definitely make the game how patrons want hence so many polls and games ruined but Eva can be one of those who either listens to them, pretends to listen or make the game how she actually wants based on her own kinks. Polls are usually about appearance change and that post about future kinks/scenarios don't mean we will see them. Like prostitution was winning, the second was Lena's FMM threesome and I can't remember what was on the third place. When it will happen?
 
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Not wrong. Considering I did pay her for a time only to stop paying once the first set of reworks came out of no where.

The biggest issue with some devs is that they either surround themselves with certain yesmen and think that whatever harebrained idea is good for the game, turns out to not be a good idea. (Cough Cough DPC, Ocean, Braindrop, EK, etc.) Another issue is that you have devs that "want" to try and make everyone happy but instead listen to certain elements of the paybase and ignore characters and pairings that don't see the light of day other than a one off scene.

EK in this case has listened far too much from her NTR/BBC/Cuckold players and rewarding them over and over again with more scenes and stuff to boot, while neglecting characters and pairing such as Ian and Ivy, and other pairings, all for the sake of that fetishists money she gets when she appeases the vocal brain dead masses. As a result, the story drops in quality, characters get shafted in terms of screen time, and pairings have to wait another year or more before getting there turn, if that. IanxIvy is now going on 6 years without anything, inspite of EK "promising" and "proclaiming" it's going to happen or that the pairing was on the back burner all because she couldn't think of a way to impliment them. I can deadass come up with a manner for them to hit things off in a span of 5-10 minutes, and EK is going on 6 years? Yeah, at this point EK is literally trying to save this shitshow of writing and management because she got overallly ambitious with this project and didn't actually plan shit out and stick to her true vision of the story and listened far too much for the fetishists.
I couldn't say it better.
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These "devs who can put out a quality update in 3-6 months" he speaks of do not exist. Bro talks out of his ass
That depends on what you see as a quality update. For most hobby devs a chunky quality update takes half a year or more. See TD and GIL who hover between 6-9 months per update.
I have devs on my watchlist who produce quality updates faster, but those are a lot shorter. And that is logical. A one or two person dev team can only do so much in 24 hours. If quality and speed are good, than the update is shorter. If the size and quality are good, then it needs more time.
For comparison, when it comes to game development, Egosoft, the dev team making the X-Series of Space games, is tiny! They are about 50 people, most of them freelancers working on graphics and help programming. The core are stil two hand full of friends who started together back in the 1990s.
A game like X4 made in another software studio would have several hundred people on it!

Now back to our hobby developers, mostly one or two persons, it is logical where the time choke comes in. BUT that is in no way an excuse for endless postponing we often see. Yes ,they have limits what they can realistically do, but the endless tango of postponement, delays and stuff is something not needed. That is on them.
 

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These "devs who can put out a quality update in 3-6 months" he speaks of do not exist. Bro talks out of his ass
There are quite a few. Zorlun spent half a decade on a game, making monthly or bi-monthly updates. Zetan operates on a 3-6 month cycle. And these two are off the top of my head since they made some of the more popular titles here. Eva Kiss is proof that it can be done with GGGB, but you need structure and planning if the project is ambitious, like ORS. The two protagonists' decision made the development much more complicated. It's like making 2.5 games with all the possible paths and variants, which at this point makes even writing a proper walkthrough a difficult process.
 

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There are quite a few. Zorlun spent half a decade on a game, making monthly or bi-monthly updates. Zetan operates on a 3-6 month cycle. And these two are off the top of my head since they made some of the more popular titles here. Eva Kiss is proof that it can be done with GGGB, but you need structure and planning if the project is ambitious, like ORS. The two protagonists' decision made the development much more complicated. It's like making 2.5 games with all the possible paths and variants, which at this point makes even writing a proper walkthrough a difficult process.
Comparing a hand drawn game to Daz gobbo games. Also as you just said there is a lot more branching with the two protags. Plus the art is much better in ORS than GGGB
 

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There are quite a few. Zorlun spent half a decade on a game, making monthly or bi-monthly updates. Zetan operates on a 3-6 month cycle. And these two are off the top of my head since they made some of the more popular titles here. Eva Kiss is proof that it can be done with GGGB, but you need structure and planning if the project is ambitious, like ORS. The two protagonists' decision made the development much more complicated. It's like making 2.5 games with all the possible paths and variants, which at this point makes even writing a proper walkthrough a difficult process.
Classy Lemon is one, among a fair share of others. But then again, I'm just "talking out of my ass". -Shrugs-
 
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Gotta love how Eva tries so hard to make Louise less appealing and supposedly be inferior to Lena, when she is just as gorgeous as the rest. Just how Alison is supposed to be overbearing and passive aggressive, but no one cares about that since she jumps in Ians arms anyways. Instead, their possessiveness, jealousy and immaturity are interpreted as devotion.
They're appealing?

Don't get me wrong, being able to fuck either Alison or Louise is nice and the models are attractive but do people genuinely find romancing Louise or Alison a nice outcome for MC?

They're genuinely insufferable. Like truly unfuckingbearable.

Louise is a pain in the ass, she was a pain in the ass when I only had to deal with her with Lena, she was a pain in the ass during sexting and a pain in the ass after the Ian/Louise hookup. I don't see a world where her pathological jealousy is seen as endearing or appealing. She made me side with Stan for fucks' sake.

Alison is mainly annoying. The "nuh uh, wear a condom" spam gets very old very quickly, especially with her "cum in me but not for real its just a kink bro" which is bordering on manipulative. The "if you don't fuck me your best friend will" dating strat is insufferable. IIRC she calls you when getting spitroasted even when you refuse Jeremy's voyeur path. That's... Not appealing.
 

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Alison is mainly annoying. The "nuh uh, wear a condom" spam gets very old very quickly, especially with her "cum in me but not for real its just a kink bro" which is bordering on manipulative. The "if you don't fuck me your best friend will" dating strat is insufferable. IIRC she calls you when getting spitroasted even when you refuse Jeremy's voyeur path. That's... Not appealing.
All of what you have said there is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Why?

Because Alison is HOT AS FUCK.

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