VN - Ren'Py - Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

  1. 5.00 star(s)

    tontodave

    Sat on this for a long time but eventually got round to playing it the other day. I've got to say that this has to be one of the best VNs on this site, along with Lessons in Love & Once in a Lifetime. The main girls are all very sexy, their motivations feel believable (for a porn game). The writing is top notch, only noticed a couple of typos.

    The kinks are what makes this game stand out, however. The devs aren't afraid of putting the girls in some very spicy situations. This might not be for everyone but personally, I love it.

    Congratulations, devs, you've earned yourself a patron!
  2. 5.00 star(s)

    ProtoJoto

    I think this is probably the most erotic VN I’ve played. The plot has the MC walking a tightrope above a sea of ruinous outcomes. I hope the authors can get him to the far side: whatever that looks like.

    The main sour note for me is the quality and quantity of the club’s house girls. There seem too few to service the clientele, and some are tatted-up skanks that look like they might moonlight as streetwalkers. Pale Carnations is supposed to be a brothel for the elite, which, if it employed freaks at all, would keep them in a dungeon somewhere out of sight, rather than letting them present themselves as the face of the organization. Maybe they need to pay more.
  3. 5.00 star(s)

    Alvar101

    Good stuff
    top notch characters
    Well written MC
    Character Models are stunning and the atmosphere in some scenes is delightful
    beautiful art style
    really can't think of any downsides it was an enjoyable bunch of hours

    hana is the best , but i really hope as the story goes on there's a route to save all the girls out of their mess
  4. 5.00 star(s)

    AlbertoRiveron

    After playing the game I can without a doubt say its one of the best on the site right now. The game is an absolute 5 out of 5 stars in my books. The renders and characters are great. The story is compelling and keeps you drawn in. As of right now there is plenty of content in the game. So far not too many of the choices have long lasting impact, but that's due to the game story not being at even the halfway mark. I am really looking forward to more updates from this game. The writing in the game is great too the characters feel believable in the story and dialogue between characters feels natural. Many hot characters to proceed with and either try to stay on the good side or fall into the darkside.


    Play it now and you have at least a few hours of great content.
  5. 5.00 star(s)

    Incorrigible

    This game is on the way to becoming one of the greatest adult visual novels of all time (if it isn't already recognized as one).

    Incredible artwork, incredible writing, what a fantastic story, and what an unbelievably genius setting!

    Seriously, stop fucking dawdling around reading this review and install the bloody game. You can thank me for it later.

    This game is such a fresh breath of air compared to the usual college setting, dad gone missing, mystery needs solving, or stale grind-through harem tropes. I won't spoil too much other than that you as the MC get roped into working at an exclusive club that serves the needs of debauched, rich men.

    The characters are some of the most memorable and inventive ones I've ever seen. Playing through the game doesn't feel like a chore, and you never feel the need to skip past endless pages of dialogue.

    The writing is crisp, dynamic, and keeps the action moving. The artwork is eye-poppingly beautiful. The girls are fantastic. Supporting characters are memorable. The plot keeps you on the edge of your seat the whole time. And the lewdity... Oh, the lewdity! Some of the most deviant, debauched ideas I've seen in a game so far.

    What the heck are you doing still reading this review? Seriously, PLAY THE FUCKING GAME.
  6. 5.00 star(s)

    Jack Dangers

    In my opinion, this is simply the best game to be published on F95. The plot and story are fresh and fantastically-crafted. The characters are excellent (especially the MC), each one being distinct and interesting. Finally, the art is likewise top-notch, the girls being sexy and of impressive variety.

    My only criticism in the game involves portions in the game that I don’t feel are necessarily appropriate to a character who is crafted to be dominant in personality. In some places, you’re frustratingly railroaded into submissive situations and themes. At the same times, these are minor frustrations that are easily outweighed by the rest of the game’s magnificent-quality content.

    If you’re interested in it’s stated tags at all, download it immediately. It’s just that good.
  7. 5.00 star(s)

    tired_user_69

    The best game I ever played I mean seriously this is some top quality shit be the plot is one of the best, the girls are also very likable and both the renders and animations are also great, You can tell that a lot of effort is put into the game I hope more people try this so they can also know what a great game this is.
    P.S : Sorry for my bad English
  8. 5.00 star(s)

    Lindien

    Wow just wow, you guys put the bar high, this is by far my favorite game on this site. The renders are amazing. This game makes me horny AF lol. Even the change of music is associated with the Mc mood. It blew me away. The writing is top class, the story keep you engaged and you keep wantin more. I wish for a public release for the game as patreon is not my thing. I wish all the best to the developpers, Its apparent the game is made with love and attention to details. Sorry english is not my main language.
  9. 5.00 star(s)

    undisclosed453

    Most detailed VN I have seen thus far! You can tell that a lot of love and care was put into this game. Not to mention the story line is novel worthy and the same applies to character development.
    The level of perversion maybe too much for some people, but personally this VN checks a lot of boxes.
    10/10 will definitely endorse the creator.
  10. 5.00 star(s)

    aannoonn1816

    Amazing storytelling, I can really feel the emotions that are being conveyed. Like I came to this game for pleasure, but I fell in love with the story and the characters too. Beautiful work. I'm extremely excited for the next update! :)
  11. 5.00 star(s)

    selberdreher

    I felt a bit lazy, but wanted to leave a good review for this outstanding Game. So i took the freedom to hijack belfaborac`s post #4080 from the pale carnations thread:
    "...honestly I'm constantly flabbergasted at the depth and quality of the writing that's on show in Pale Carnations, especially considering what type of game I'm dealing with. It's simply on a totally different level compared to 99.99% of what's otherwise on show here. I'm deeply, deeply impressed."

    But because that`s just too lazy for such a good game i try to add my own two cents:

    As others already explained in depths and with far better words i could (non-native english speaker here), the writing, characterization and content easily puts this game into the top 5 of all games here. The only feature which wasn't credited enough so far in my humble opinion is the superior use of - i think you can call it - cinematography in this game:
    the intricate utilization of close ups and totals in conjunction with the spot-on use of facial expressions (eye movements!) that really show emotions make this production shine. For me, my Ren'Py Save Slots are a bit like a screenshot gallery, and i think 50% of them are just close-ups of character faces.
    This Review covers Version Ch.3 Upd 3, but applies also to all former versions.
    Highly recommended, best regards to Team Mutt&Jeff (i think they are GIL3D and TD1900 on this forum) for creating this piece of art for adults.
    Thank you very much.

    Edit: PS the sex scenes are hot as fuck
  12. 4.00 star(s)

    User003

    This is a quality game. Both the art and writing are very good. My deduction of one star is due to the miss-able content. While this game does it better than most others I've seen, it is still a porn game and choices beyond "would you like to have sex with this character?" are a bit of a nuisance. No, I'm not going to replay the whole game 2+ times to experience everything it has to offer. Yes, I'm glad that there's a scene gallery with an unlock button, but that's not the point. If we can imagine a nerdy (conventionally less-than-attractive) guy with a massive dong joining a sex club to bang hot women all whilst hooking up with the hot rocker chick and his buddy's girlfriend, we can suspend belief just a little bit farther to have all of the sexual content play out in one timeline.

    I didn't remove any stars for this, but I will say that the content isn't exactly my cup of tea. I'm not complaining; as I said before this is a well-made game. I just want to share a warning to any others who might be on the fence. This game takes place in a sex club. Most of the women are (married) sex workers. To be explicitly clear, you were not, are not, and will never be the only man having sex with these women. You will hear about (read about) their sex with other men and you will see other men in sexual situations. It's not NTR, but if you really don't like sharing then this game is not for you. Don't leave one-star reviews for the devs if you aren't into that stuff; just skip the game and move on or try it out and leave a proper review based on the game's quality.
  13. 5.00 star(s)

    don2sail

    as hot as it gets. story of being in a sex club, almost continuous sex, great models. animations have a little too few frames, in my opinion, but certainly enjoyable. Can't think of more to say but I still haven't reached the minimum.
  14. 5.00 star(s)

    Magikyl

    One of the best VNs I've ever played, if not the best. Its worth your time. The charcters are great, the story is great, everything is great. No annoying sandbox bullshit. One of the few creators on here to earn my money on patreon.
  15. 5.00 star(s)

    sabadongelov

    Hands down one of the most qualitative games on this site. Everything, from the writing and dialogue, to the story, setting and graphics are top notch. There is really no need for me to go into any detail considering there are some 200 + reviews before this one. If you enjoy the tags this game has (domination, humiliation and BDSM being key), then it's a must play.
  16. 5.00 star(s)

    SteamedHamsInc.

    This revised review was written after playing chap3 update 4 and although it's nothing the glowing reviews here so far haven't already covered, I wanted to throw in my own lump of praise.

    Honey Select models have their natural limitations because you only get so many templates and assets. This game pushes those assets to their very extreme, in a way that few HS based games have done. GIL, who is responsible for the visuals, has a seriously uncanny ability to integrate animation into the story beats and allow the visual momentum to carry near seamlessly from text to image to animation.

    The models, especially the female models, are all gorgeous and unique. That in itself is good, but what elevates this game visually is that GIL fundamentally understands and is able to execute to an impressive level the minutia of conveying feelings and atmosphere. Every subtle change in expression, every pose and gesture of the cast, down to every cocked eyebrow, raised lip, tinted cheek, and tilted head, so adequately and succinctly reflect the thoughts and emotions of the characters as they go about their interactions.

    If you can't picture what a certain intricate sentiment that the story conjures would look like, by the illusionist's deft hand, you need look no further than on the screen and see exactly how a character feeling a certain way would appear. That's some serious craftsmanship and is one of the great things about a "visual" novel that is different from a fully textual experience. Other things like a carefully crafted UI, accessible and helpful memories page/character profiles, immersive and tonally resonant sound tracks, all go toward building the top notch presentation of this game.

    The only fault that I could pick, and it's the inherent problem of HS assets, is that the male models look much more rudimentary in comparison.

    While the visuals comprise the flesh and bones, the story is, for me, the soul of this game. The writing is smooth, ridiculously so for a grassroots VN passion project. TD is the writer and I'm not entirely convinced that he isn't already a novelist. I've found that the general trend with VNs is that the focus is on introspective sensibilities rather than outward descriptions, even in adult VNs where a good deal of erotic description is mandated. PC defies that, and goes deep into its descriptions, especially compared to its usual counterparts. TD has a stylistic flourish and though the prose doesn't stick every time, it does a very, very good job both in style and in accuracy when painting the mental image.

    What's more, when PC does sink its teeth into the inner thoughts of its MC, the reflections are insightful and evocative. The main character isn't an empty self-insert; he is a fully realized character with his own motivations and struggles and the Devs make a point of showcasing his thoughts and contemplations in a seasoned, enticing manner that invites both relatability and analysis. It's one thing to be able to portray a mind, it's an entire step above to dissect it and to portray the dynamic evolution of said mind in a convincing, empathetic manner.

    To build on that, the dialogue flows effortlessly and can be banal enough but not uninteresting. That's hard to do. What's more, each major character not only has distinct personalities and stories, but their own "voices". Below average writers have all their characters sounding like the same person doing a puppet show; decent writers can distinguish them by giving more distinction in terms of overall presentation of each character's personalities; good writers take it a step above and develop a unique voice for each character without needing extra plot intervention. That's where PC is at, and it's damn impressive considering the uneven quality usually found in this genre.

    That isn't to say there are no complaints about the writing. The main problem for me is that sometimes TD's style is too evident, the dialogue too polished when it should give way to more mundane and natural-sounding language. There is such a thing as letting the quality of your prose get in the way of more organic overall presentation. But these are minor and frankly luxurious complaints to have when good writing in general is in desperate shortage across all gaming genres.

    The themes are unflinchingly dark and disturbed, matching the tone of the non-vanilla adult content. It is however interwoven into the story in a very natural way. The game isn't free from plot holes or moments of ridiculousness, but the overall premise and exploration of the subject matter is dealt with in a mature and careful manner. Depravity and base human desires are used as a vehicle for the building of character arcs and the examination of both the MC's own psyche and his understanding of the other characters.

    I have always believed that erotica can and does execute serious, thought-provoking themes and messages in a way that is not possible (or at least much more difficult) without being able to engage notions surrounding sex explicitly. That's not to say that PC is some masterful work of art, but just the fact that it can and does provide some ideas that are worth chewing over and thinking about, in an entertaining and mature manner, is enough for me to dole out the praise.

    Sure, the sex is sometimes both the means and the end, being an adult game after all, but the in-game examination of human depravity is rarely an indulgent or masturbatory exercise. Instead there's a calculated and artistic way of marrying impulse with decency, and always a tipping of the scale at opportune moments to remind players of the implications of what we witness or even participate in. That is honestly really commendable. The game tries to deal with heavy and deeply grey matters and weaves them into the natural progression of the plot quite well. There's rarely a moment when I'm caught up in the thick of things where I think that it's heavy-handed to the point of absurd; and if it does, then the absurdity is at least reflected on in a self-aware manner.

    Finally the characters, arguably the biggest selling point of the game. I can honestly say that of all the adult VNs I've ever played, PC reigns at the very top level of character writing. As was mentioned above, each major character has their own voice, and the drama of the plot has allowed for very rich and interesting character interactions. I won't go into too much detail as I could write an essay just of the characters in the game; as a matter of fact I have done so and get a real itch after every update to write some more.

    What I will say is this: no character is skin-deep and nearly every named character with more than a passing role has a well-rounded profile and backstory. Especially the main cast, each of whom are layered, complex, and engaging in their own rights. What may appear as stupid or absurd will leave you reflecting once more pieces to the character are revealed. TD understands that compelling characters need a compelling "why" behind the "what", and he delivers. There's hardly ever a dull moment in the numerous interactions that have been run through thus far with the love interests and other main characters, and what I do learn about the characters only leave me wanting more and more. They are at times sympathetic, desirable, often infuriating, and some straight up despicable. But you will almost never get the sense that they're constructed too artificially or unrealistically; these characters make sense, and that's damn high praise.

    I could honestly go on for another 5000 words but this is a review after all and not my own musings. If you want to experience the highest grade of what adult visual novels has to offer, then look no further. This story is not for the faint of heart, but damn if it isn't a good one.
  17. 5.00 star(s)

    Arctosa

    I wasn't sure how I felt about this game, but after giving it a long shot, it's pretty damn good, the chara design differs heavily from other HS based game, and I don't complain, it's actually refreshing. The plot looks pretty damn serious and quite darkish, when it's not straight up dirty as hell.


    But you know what, I'm a very vanilla type of guy, like really, and yet, this one got my full attention. I do appreciate when devs have a clear vision of what they want to do with their stuff, and this is clearly the case here.
    I don't know how the rest will do, but so far it's near my top 10, again, despite how opposite of my taste it is.
    Great job sir.
  18. 4.00 star(s)

    LauraBurn

    First off, I’ll say that this game should have the NTR tag. What’s there is avoidable, but it definitely qualifies.

    If you want a TLDR for the current build [Chap 3, Update 2], I think the writing in this game is incredible, better than any other game on this site at least certainly in terms of dialogue. The models and animation are top tier. If the subject matter is not a red flag for you then this game is 100% worth your time.

    Now onto my full review:

    I knew this game was going to be special from the opening scene. Seriously. I normally write my reviews after finishing the current content, but I was less than a minute into this game and decided to write the review as I played. As such, this review will be somewhat chronological in terms of my thoughts being brought up as I they came to me rather than a structured argument.

    As I said, the beginning is great and I knew the writing was going to be quality just from the MC’s opening monologue. “You simply can’t take stock of a man’s character who lives in an immutable bubble. I have simply never been given the opportunity to prove my conceited self-image right or wrong.” That’s some really good shit right there. Several levels above the average writing in even the better porn games out there.

    A final warning that there will obviously be spoilers below, so be warned.

    The writing continues its high quality when the MC shows up for the job and actually refuses when he realizes what it is. He actually behaves like a rational person. He doesn’t just do what needs to be done in order for the plot to progress quickly and smoothly, he does what makes sense. He only goes back to work there after being given a completely ridiculously good offer that any reasonable person would accept. That’s good writing.

    As the MC took the tour of the facilities, it dawned on me that the environments in this game are also rather nice. Many areas are completely unique compared to the copy and pasted environments of most games made from Illusion models. It was refreshing and it all felt very cohesive.

    I’ll be honest and say that the more I learned about the premise, the more worried I became. The premise was interesting to be sure, but I hate NTR and the idea that all these beautiful women that the MC would surely be involved with sexually -- and likely romantically as well -- are going to get boned by some fat old rich dudes really did not appeal to me at all. I figured I’d give it a chance though since there was no NTR tag on the game.

    There were definitely hints of NTR-esk shit early on, but I expected as much as I saw because of the prostitution tag. There was nothing with the main girls in the prologue. Some of the main girls: Felicia, Hana, Kathleen, Rose, and Veronica had scenes in the prologue, but none of them had sex with clients, so I was hopeful it would remain that way despite some evidence to the contrary.

    Week 1 rolls around and you’re pretty quickly treated to some clips of your mom getting fucked by two thugs in a porno and I knew I was probably going to be dipping out of the game pretty soon after I saw that. But I decided to stick it out. I still had hope that at least none of the love interests had something similar.

    When the first competition occurred between the 3 Carnations, I learned the main love interests wouldn’t be completely protected as one of them needs to get bukkaked by the crowd of old rich fucks. Though I didn’t stay to watch, just knowing it happened at all soured the scenes prior to it for me. The fact that this outcome is apparently unavoidable bothered me. At this point, the only reason I stuck around was because the writing was really solid and I totally fell in love with Hana, who thankfully seems to be one of the only LIs that are likely safe from the NTR.

    For the next long stretch of the game, there were a few instances that might have taken me out and made me stop playing. Just personal taste stuff, not an indictment of the quality of the game. In fact, it’s the opposite. The fact that I stayed despite it not being to my taste really speaks volumes about the writing. I knew for sure that I would be in it for the long haul when Rose sings you to sleep and you recall your mother singing you a song. This song happened to be one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite artists, Leonard Cohen, and a song my father used to sing me. It made me surprisingly emotional. Far more than I would have expected from a porn game.

    Ultimately, I'm not terribly happy that you can't completely protect the main girls, but I recognize that it's my own personal taste and not an issue with the quality of the game: Hence my positive review despite my own problems with it. The writing is good enough that it allowed me to push past a lot of the problems I had with it, and Hana being best girl also gave me plenty of reason to complete the current build and look forward to future updates.
  19. 5.00 star(s)

    AndUFailed

    The realism narrative style is unexpectedly deep and relatable, all the choices are incredibly immersive. If only the deveopers have enough capital to make a game that doens't rely on lewd contents to attract people to fund their project, the potential of this is huge. I mean lewd is certainly welcomed, but if the narrative isn't circled around lewd, the writer will have a much better opportunity to elaborate both plots and characters.
    Edit: Hana best girl. period.
  20. 5.00 star(s)

    SomeoneRandomToYou

    (Review as of CH 3 Update 2)

    I have to say that I did not go into this game with many expectations, especially since on the surface it seemed to me like another one of those tropey BDSM domination games that plunges your MC into some kind of dystopian setting where everyone drops to their knees at a moments notice and no one has any personality.

    But I was wrong, oh so wrong, when I decided to give Pale Carnations a shot.

    Granted there is some suspension of disbelief required from the player (which is natural for any game really) but this game is unbelievably refined and all the characters have so much depth and personality it's simply astounding. You truly feel for these characters and you feel like the decisions you make and the consequences that they have actually have an impact on not just the MC, but on you as a player as well. That is VERY good storytelling.

    One of the greatest aspects of Pale Carnations is that it does not sacrifice one thing for the other. Usually, games that have good plot lines and dialogue end up sacrificing the sex scenes and the other juicy bits in the favour of a more comprehensive and realistic storyline. Pale Carnations on the other hand does not leave you blue balled. It combines the best of both worlds by introducing you to a myriad of layered and well thought out characters while also allowing you to enjoy the scenes that you came here to enjoy without having to wait for too long at a time.

    Conclusion - Pale Carnations is a true gem over here on F95, one which you should not pass up if you happen to be a huge fan of the BDSM genre and/or love a D/S style game that has build-up. It also touches upon themes of romance and companionship very well should your character choose to focus more on that instead. So in short, it is a game that truly has a little something for everyone.