VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

Huh, does that mean the Affection choices that show up later don't happen if you keep it professional? Like say you never sleep with Red, does that mean you can't be her friend and give her a place to stay?

As ename144 mentioned, that is a little more complicated and hinges on the character in question. On Veronica´s path, sex outside Club-related events is completely optional. Can be done or not and is based on her Horniness and what you do. That it is severed from from sympathy can be seen that Veronica even with high affections makes it clear she does not want to see you again after the Carnation events save when you come training at the gym.

Felicia on the other hand is not only equipped with a high sex drive (she is the only Carnation who has fun most of the time. Not always, but often) and likes to show off, she is starting to like you and meeting each other outside of Club business. You can be just a friend to her, but there is more interaction with sex included.
Unlike Veronica, you can be Feli´s friend outside the club. Felicia is clearly moved when you tell her you go with her to the art exhibition without any strings attached.

 

[Deleted member 5259050]

That was my biggest issue with it initially. Once I stopped seeing them as potential LIs I could stomach it better. Still if I had my way I wouldn't do anything with them. I know it's part of the job but still.

Maybe someone can answer something I'm curious about? If you keep them just Carnations do you have to do anything with them outside of the club. If you don't have to I may try that route. And be a good bro this time, no matter how much I like Mina.

I will add that this is fairly easy to do. I felt like the only girl the game presented as a potential love interest from the very beginning is Hana.

- You fool around with Felicia in the beginning but you know she is a married woman.
- Rose and Veronica are presented as desperate woman from the very beginning who are willing to prostitute themselves. They are in different places in their lives and are not interested in the MC (and same is true for the MC - initially they are just strangers trying to become whores).
- Mina is with Ian. It is fairly obvious she is there so we can cuck Ian but she is not presented as an LI initially.
- Kat is a psycho.
- The whores are exactly that - people doing their job.

Thats not to say that the MC cannot fall in love with one of the above women eventually however initially all of them are in the game for their own reasons and that reason is not simply trying to date the MC.

The game would lean towards NTR if the game was written in a way that made the MC fall in love with one of the whores but the game is not written this way - it is not trying to fetishize cheating or cuckoldery. You can read the MC's thoughts and he simply treats the carnations/whores as strangers and acquaintances living their own lives - helping them is just a part of his job. The concern he shows in the nice guy path is genuine however it is still only presented as concern for a fellow human being rather than concern for a romantic partner.

The fetish the game focuses on is corruption - specifically corruption of the MC. The corruption here is not about the MC turning into a cuck it is about the MC turning into a heartless asshole. Note that unlike many other porn games this does not impact the amount of sex scenes - you will not get more or less scenes for being an asshole. It is simply about shaping the MC's personality.

 

[Takkatakka]

NTR could come later down the line I guess. That would depend on the type of relationships the MC can build with some of the Carnations. As of now it seems pretty simple to me: As far as the available content goes right now the MC isn't in any closed romantic relationship with anyone, so he can hardly be cheated or "cucked" on. That might change later depending on how the relationships develop...like if you can actually start a deeper relationship with Rose or Veronica for example but that isn't in the game yet as far as I know. So far it really doesn't look like the two obvious main LIs will cheat on the MC...at least not without any really dark turn for either of them.

 

[Skeltom]

It's a little complicated. You can in theory befriend Veronica if you have 22 Affection regardless of whether you're on her path, but I'm not sure if it's possible to hit that mark while disregarding her plight.

But if you look at Veronica's path in particular, it's entirely separate from sleeping with her at the moment. You join her path by committing to help stop Samon's sabotage of her gym; the optional sex scene in Chapter 3 is based on your actions and/or her Horniness score, not her path. It seems plausible that you could join her path without automatically having sex with her down the line (beyond club mandated events, obviously). That was possible with Hana and Mina (though you'll miss out on their romantic sub-paths), so I suspect it will happen with Veronica, too.

That's in contrast to Felicia and Rosalind, where joining their path forces sexual interaction almost immediately.

That's what I mean, it's all a little iffy. I don't want to completely shut them out because they are good women but the whole club situation doesn't sit well with me personally. I kind of think that's the point though in a way.

I'm just hoping I can be friends, not FWB. It seems imposable with Rosalind and Felicia from what I've seen but I'm not sure. I'm also pretty sure you can't get help from Felicia for Rosalind without being in the potential sugar mamma path. And for Rosalind I don't know if you can hang out with her after the second lunch event if your not sleeping with her. It seems like almost all of that revolves around a sexual relationship with the Carnations. One or the other.

 

[wintershell]

I would personally find it a little odd if the MC was the only one allowed to fuck people in the Sex Club.

 

[throwaway1122]

The fetish the game focuses on is corruption - specifically corruption of the MC. The corruption here is not about the MC turning into a cuck it is about the MC turning into a heartless asshole. Note that unlike many other porn games this does not impact the amount of sex scenes - you will not get more or less scenes for being an asshole. It is simply about shaping the MC's personality.

My head canon is that MC is already corrupted from the get go from his childhood trauma with his mother being a pornstar. If anything, the Hana route is a route of "uncorruption" that's an attempt at healing MC. Maybe Hana will end up falling together with the MC into debauchery? Hana certainly seems the pure-hearted one and MC seems to be the corrupting force. MC in the plotline is pretty harsh towards Ian, but the more the game progresses the more they seem to become similar. It's almost hypocritical some of the judgements he makes towards his friend, especially since you're given the option to date both Mina/Hana at the same time (and MC is aware of this as well!!)

But I'll 100% agree this game has 0 NTR in it. A lot of the tension in the game is the decoupling of sex and love - even Hana and MC struggle to have sex/form a loving bond. Fuck, even in the latest update in the last scene they really only are bonded by their shared trauma of being in the club together.

Mina and Ian are together even though Ian clearly doesn't love her at all. They clearly fuck. Ian fucks without love. All of the carnations engage in fuckery with varying degrees of romanticism involved. Hell, even the closest thing to NTR (Fucking Mina) can't really be considered NTR. Ian doesn't give a flying fuck about Mina. He's just another hole for him to stick his cock in.

Felicia clearly has some feelings for the MC - she respects MC as a person who sees her for who she really is. I wouldn't be surprised if there ended up being a LI option for her down the road. That she also likes to fuck and is a kinky slut is coincidental to the budding romance she has with MC. Fucking is a tool for her to get what she wants.

Veronica isn't a character who couples love and sex in the first place. Love is love, sex is sex for her. You can fuck her even if she hates you.

Rosalind? This is the closest you will get to a "normal person" in the plot outside of Mina. MC is using her as a replacement surrogate for wanting to fuck his own mother is the theory I entertain in my head. What kind of fucked up person watches porn of their parents? I don't know if you will consider MC's mother being fucked in flashbacks being considered NTR, considering MC projects his own mother onto Rosalind... it's a heavily grey area.

Given the hints given by multiple characters (Darius's disappearance, Ian's warning, Chuck's warning etc) it wouldn't surprise me if some of the "bad ends" are tied to the MC getting too involved with the Carnations to stay professional.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

- Mina is with Ian. It is fairly obvious she is there so we can cuck Ian but she is not presented as an LI initially.

Yes, but Ian would be incapable of remaining faithful to Mina merely due to his "duties" at the club. On top of which, he's unfaithful beyond the range of even that. Plus he's clearly got some Mommy issues and is far more emotionally attached to his parent's housekeeper than his alleged GF.

Basically. Ian is not emotionally invested enough in Mina for the MC fucking her to qualify as cucking him. He's only "dating" her because it fits his public image. Same deal with his "career" as a photographer.

You can tell Mina that she needs to break up with Ian before you'll do anything sexual with her.

- Kat is a psycho.

Well yeah, but the way you put it makes it sound like a downside.

My interpretation of a couple things Ian says is that Kat did some shit to him with the aphrodisiac that exacerbated his already extant Oedipal urges. At this point, him hooking up with Victoria would probably be the best thing for him.

As far as the MC and Kat go ... I'm along for the ride there. Should lead to some interesting choices later on. I suspect the major sticking point is going to be between Kat's denigration of the women at the club and the MC's desire (at least how I'm playing him) to not judge and treat people as well as he can given the situation. Kat thinks that her being a pimp makes her better than a whore. My MC recognises that he's not any "better" than the Carnations.

 

[throwaway1122]

As far as the MC and Kat go ... I'm along for the ride there. Should lead to some interesting choices later on. I suspect the major sticking point is going to be between Kat's denigration of the women at the club and the MC's desire (at least how I'm playing him) to not judge and treat people as well as he can given the situation. Kat thinks that her being a pimp makes her better than a whore. My MC recognises that he's not any "better" than the Carnations.

IMO, all versions of MC realize that there is not much difference between anybody in the club. From the top dog to the lowest whore, everyone's just making use of each other for money. He explicitly has a dialogue with Hana about how they are disgusted by the old men in the club... but yet their salaries are being paid by those same old men.

This is also hinted by the dom/sub relationship Dalia has with many of the men. They are powerful outside but inside the club they are Dalia's bitch. Chuck wants to bang the lady doctor, but he doesn't want to do so until he has proven himself better then her (by beating her at chess, of all things). Samson acts all tough, but he openly admits in the sauna scene with Nicolette that's he's bottom of the hierachy. He borderline has an obsession with denigrating Victoria, similar to how Isaak has an obsession with Lucy.

Most of the characters have their hands FORCED. Uncle Chuck even makes this a very big deal when he gives advice to Ian, telling him that he does not care what Ian does as long as he "chooses his own path". Putting aside the Carnations and their individual plights, the owners of the club aren't even in control of their own actions a lot of the time.

August is powerless with what's important to him (Hana's attitude to him/the club). Kath is constantly fighting for power as a woman in the Club. Chuck is the only one who seems to be in control of his own actions.

Everyone is merely searching for a reason to justify their degeneracy and debauchery. MC is tacitly aware of his own search for a reason - he is "helping" the Carnations. Or is he doing it for his own pleasure? Which is the coping mechanism?

 

[saifai]

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To answer your question: are you playing the compressed version? Someone reported some fuckery last night(on the compressed version) where picking the Rosalind full deal scene before exhibition 2 skipped the event entirely and went to the Hana text message conversation. I couldn't replicate the issue on our version of Ch4Up1 and concluded it was due to that.

Hello, sorry if this question has been answered before, but I also ran into this bug. How it plays out for me is on 6/13 during the Rosalind event I pick Fully Commit, I get the homework event tag, and then it goes to the scene with Killian and MC's Mom. When the phone rings it starts with the MC talking about assigning Rosalind some lewd homework but when Rosalind text messages the MC, I never get the picture that she is suppose to send and it instead begins a text conversation with Hana. This then skipped the entire Week 2 Exhibition and leads to the Hana date.

Is there a fix for this bug? I'm playing on the Ch4Up1 version for Windows from this thread.

 

[dumbo10]

Lactation for rosalind please
we need to strengthen that one kink tag

 

[SanaeS]

Lactation for rosalind please
we need to strengthen that one kink tag

You just gave my Full Deal MC an idea on what he will drink for breakfast during the next two weeks

 

[BrockLanders]

Hello, sorry if this question has been answered before, but I also ran into this bug. How it plays out for me is on 6/13 during the Rosalind event I pick Fully Commit, I get the homework event tag, and then it goes to the scene with Killian and MC's Mom. When the phone rings it starts with the MC talking about assigning Rosalind some lewd homework but when Rosalind text messages the MC, I never get the picture that she is suppose to send and it instead begins a text conversation with Hana. This then skipped the entire Week 2 Exhibition and leads to the Hana date.

Is there a fix for this bug? I'm playing on the Ch4Up1 version for Windows from this thread.

I had this exact bug on Full Deal Rose saves when the update dropped. I believe it was because I was still using the previous version of the walkthrough mod with the latest update. It went away for me after a fresh reinstall of both the update and the updated walkthrough mod.

 

[saifai]

I had this exact bug on Full Deal Rose saves when the update dropped. I believe it was because I was still using the previous version of the walkthrough mod with the latest update. It went away for me after a fresh reinstall of both the update and the updated walkthrough mod.

Cool, I'll give that a try and report back. I forgot to mention I was using the walkthrough mod as well, but I could have sworn I was using the updated version on the walkthrough mod. I've noticed it has some fixes on that thread post so I'll give them a try and see if either works. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[saifai]

Cool, I'll give that a try and report back. I forgot to mention I was using the walkthrough mod as well, but I could have sworn I was using the updated version on the walkthrough mod. I've noticed it has some fixes on that thread post so I'll give them a try and see if either works. Thanks for the heads up.

Looks like the game works correctly now. Thanks again for the advice, BrockLanders, I did a clean install of the Ch4Up1 update and I installed the PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-WT_ModGalleryUnlocker-v5-LunarMist-ipaqi-edit version of that WT mod and the bug is gone.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Lactation for rosalind please
we need to strengthen that one kink tag

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Rosalind is not pregnant or using hormonal reposition, so i find that unlikely to happen.

 

[dumbo10]

Rosalind is not pregnant or using hormonal reposition, so i find that unlikely to happen.

Relax.. as once Thomas said :




that means the idea is there in the writer`s mind
just need greenlit

 

[SanaeS]

Relax.. as once Thomas said :


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that means the idea is there in the writer`s mind
just need greenlit

The perfect way to do that would be in the future MC-Ian-Rose scene in which they both drink some milk at the same time (totally not awkward )

 

[NukaCola]

Every girls have a huge ridiculous tits. And I mean everyone. Some variation would be nice. So far Emma is the only girl with realistic looking breasts but she is not even fuckable

 

[rippertipper]

Every girls have a huge ridiculous tits. And I mean everyone. Some variation would be nice. So far Emma is the only girl with realistic looking breasts but she is not even fuckable
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Yeah, I noticed that too. I think because Emma was added later was possibly a response to the criticism of everyone have a porn star rack considering she is encountered much later in the story. However, you can't go back and retrofit smaller tits to already established characters so this is the best we may end up getting. I'm fine with it considering I don't expect the thousands of stills and animations to be remade. Although who knows about future updates and whether or not Emma's story gets expanded upon or other new girls introduced have more tit diversity. I see Emma's tits as a positive, like the devs really do care and listen, and as a good sign for things to come.

 

[dolfe67]

Ian's mom doesn't have giga boobs either. But yeah the ratio huge boobs/average boobs is inversely proportional to real life.