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are you the only one who fucks them or fuck they other men?
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- Sep 7, 2019
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Well they work in a brothel... you can take it from there, I am sure. :>)
- Feb 17, 2020
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I am guessing you have never heard of the rumors. But here is the thing, what you consider 'them' is more important here. I myself consider two characters in this game by 'them'/Love interest. And, no at least for now, you don't have to see them getting fucked by others. Most likely, you won't have to in the future, at least if you don't want. That said the story takes place in a brothel where the carnations/prostitutes get fucked by others. You need a heavy heart to play this. However, if you can muster up a bit of courage I suggest you play this one. Even after all the hate towards content similar to 'NTR', there is a reason this work of art has climbed to the top.
- Mar 21, 2022
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ah i´m just asking it isn´t like i didn´t played WR or brothel-mega where you actually see there getting fucked by others
i don´t know if can "muster up a bit of courage" for this games
- Jul 27, 2018
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Just noticed that in terms of weighted rating, this game is now 1# of all time on the site. Well deserved
- Feb 17, 2020
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It has been for a long time. It gets surpassed by the other one from time to time. Both of them are usually at #1 or #2. However, I expect 3 well-deserved games (A race, pork chop, AI) to surpass these two in the near future.
As Kinky Bully mentioned, much depends on whom you count among the love interests. Only Hana and Mina can in theory get by without it happening in game. All others, be it Felicia or Dalia or Sophia or Rosi to name a couple, you will see fucked by you AND/OR others.
But I hope you muster the courage to get into Pale Carnations, it is one the absolute best AVNs on site and worth being brave.
- Aug 8, 2020
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To put it in perspective, there's a "bottom bitch" named Dalia that maintains the girls.. if she was a LI I would be all over her. She's one of the strongest female presences I've ever read in one of these games and she's barely in it. Like some of the Carnations and LIs, she just exudes kindness; and her dark-skinned body is gorgeous.
I don't care for NTR. But as the MC, if I were interested in Dalia, and she were an actual LI, I would be actively pursuing a way to help her switch jobs... and that isn't happening overnight (nor is it an option in the novel). Even though it isn't a kink for me and I don't find it arousing, I'd have to find a way to deal with her duties. That's tough. I understand many wouldn't want anything to do with that.
In actuality:
- There's a blond supporting character that may become available in the future (a doctor) and it would technically be NTR (I guess?)... I think it is implied as a scene setup at one point without you seeing the "during" of the act.
- Dalia dominates a man and at another point has made him perform oral sex simply as scene setup. You have multiple scenes with her otherwise.
Neither of those women are LIs. If you can overlook those minor details, there's only a few other things you have to contend with.
- One of the owners actively participates in the Exhibition as a female dom with multiple contestants.
- Your friend can participate with you in a few scenes during the Exhibition with Carnations.
- You may contend for the affections of a particular LI with him and there is an optional scene where you may share a LI briefly.
However, there's not constant competition for affection or scenes where you are watching someone being pleasured and feeling "less than".
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But I must stress... the vast majority of what I've mentioned are very, very minor interactions, some are optional, and I'm sure it could be argued that none of this is technically NTR. Seriously, this eVN is one of the very, very best... but it has heavy thematic overtones. Your gonna feel a certain way about some shit. I'm not going through what Edwin (MC) is, but I've felt like him so I overlook that I'm not even into BDSM! I love this game, and I and others here really hope you give it a chance. You could always say, "banana" and uninstall it, but I hope you give it a shot. Like, I can read it with pants on... it's gotta be good lol
- Oct 16, 2019
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I think it's also worth noting "NTR" is not one of the listed tags. While the discussion for what pertains to actual NTR would continue even if there were no humans left alive to debate it, the fact the tag is missing is worth pointing out.
- Dec 8, 2017
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There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
There is no NTR in Pale Carnations.
The scenario will still most likely will make you feel a bit sad and disgusted if you're the type to worry about it though, which would be a win in my book.
There is no NTR in Pale Carnations.
The scenario will still most likely will make you feel a bit sad and disgusted if you're the type to worry about it though, which would be a win in my book.
Considering the actual state of the war with Ba Sing Se, this is a rather cruel quote to use lol.
- Nov 27, 2021
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Ba Sing Se getting drilled just like the girls in PC lol
- Oct 9, 2017
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That was my biggest issue with it initially. Once I stopped seeing them as potential LIs I could stomach it better. Still if I had my way I wouldn't do anything with them. I know it's part of the job but still.As Kinky Bully mentioned, much depends on whom you count among the love interests. Only Hana and Mina can in theory get by without it happening in game. All others, be it Felicia or Dalia or Sophia or Rosi to name a couple, you will see fucked by you AND/OR others.
But I hope you muster the courage to get into Pale Carnations, it is one the absolute best AVNs on site and worth being brave.
Maybe someone can answer something I'm curious about? If you keep them just Carnations do you have to do anything with them outside of the club. If you don't have to I may try that route. And be a good bro this time, no matter how much I like Mina.
- Aug 8, 2020
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That pressure in your chest where you're trying to decide whether you're coping or being conditioned is a big part of the art here and I'm here for it lol... fuck can you imagine?
"I know it's supposed to be your expo day but we're short a server and we need you to do a training shift for Dave here. Sorry it's only two tables on a Thursday."
"Okay I need you to shove all four of these vibrating eggs up this woman's vagina. Yes, she could probably snap your neck."
I think you really only have to meet at the diner and do the media assignments that do involve sex, but you can keep your sexual interactions low and basically sandbag the pictures/video... otherwise, your days off just skip through quickly if you don't do much romantically on the side.
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- Oct 9, 2017
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Huh, does that mean the Affection choices that show up later don't happen if you keep it professional? Like say you never sleep with Red, does that mean you can't be her friend and give her a place to stay?
- Aug 8, 2020
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I think so? I had to really focus on getting "up arrows" on Veronica in order to have her over, but honestly, I don't know if you can separate "extracurriculars" from just being a friend. I went all in on her game playthrough and didn't try to separate the two. I kind of wanna say you can because of the differences between love, lust, and like points. I think you need a certain number of like points and then she doesn't think you're a ghoul and accepts it.
It's wild to notice all the times where Edwin goes "it was a quiet night in... zzz" whereas I would already be used to wild debauchery all week during later alternate playthroughs! Visit Mom, come home, here comes the weekend... hell, in the newest update if you aren't on Hana's path there's, like, almost nothing to do XD... it's great. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the punishment update shakes out.
- Sep 20, 2018
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It's a little complicated. You can in theory befriend Veronica if you have 22 Affection regardless of whether you're on her path, but I'm not sure if it's possible to hit that mark while disregarding her plight.
But if you look at Veronica's path in particular, it's entirely separate from sleeping with her at the moment. You join her path by committing to help stop Samon's sabotage of her gym; the optional sex scene in Chapter 3 is based on your actions and/or her Horniness score, not her path. It seems plausible that you could join her path without automatically having sex with her down the line (beyond club mandated events, obviously). That was possible with Hana and Mina (though you'll miss out on their romantic sub-paths), so I suspect it will happen with Veronica, too.
That's in contrast to Felicia and Rosalind, where joining their path forces sexual interaction almost immediately.
As ename144 mentioned, that is a little more complicated and hinges on the character in question. On Veronica´s path, sex outside Club-related events is completely optional. Can be done or not and is based on her Horniness and what you do. That it is severed from from sympathy can be seen that Veronica even with high affections makes it clear she does not want to see you again after the Carnation events save when you come training at the gym.
Felicia on the other hand is not only equipped with a high sex drive (she is the only Carnation who has fun most of the time. Not always, but often) and likes to show off, she is starting to like you and meeting each other outside of Club business. You can be just a friend to her, but there is more interaction with sex included.
Unlike Veronica, you can be Feli´s friend outside the club. Felicia is clearly moved when you tell her you go with her to the art exhibition without any strings attached.
I will add that this is fairly easy to do. I felt like the only girl the game presented as a potential love interest from the very beginning is Hana.
- You fool around with Felicia in the beginning but you know she is a married woman.
- Rose and Veronica are presented as desperate woman from the very beginning who are willing to prostitute themselves. They are in different places in their lives and are not interested in the MC (and same is true for the MC - initially they are just strangers trying to become whores).
- Mina is with Ian. It is fairly obvious she is there so we can cuck Ian but she is not presented as an LI initially.
- Kat is a psycho.
- The whores are exactly that - people doing their job.
Thats not to say that the MC cannot fall in love with one of the above women eventually however initially all of them are in the game for their own reasons and that reason is not simply trying to date the MC.
The game would lean towards NTR if the game was written in a way that made the MC fall in love with one of the whores but the game is not written this way - it is not trying to fetishize cheating or cuckoldery. You can read the MC's thoughts and he simply treats the carnations/whores as strangers and acquaintances living their own lives - helping them is just a part of his job. The concern he shows in the nice guy path is genuine however it is still only presented as concern for a fellow human being rather than concern for a romantic partner.
The fetish the game focuses on is corruption - specifically corruption of the MC. The corruption here is not about the MC turning into a cuck it is about the MC turning into a heartless asshole. Note that unlike many other porn games this does not impact the amount of sex scenes - you will not get more or less scenes for being an asshole. It is simply about shaping the MC's personality.