liberatorus

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From a technical standpoint there actually isn't much NTR'ing going on. NTR, as I understand it, requires that the girl starts off exclusive but is later stolen. Pale Carnations is pretty upfront with the fact that most of the characters are not going to be exclusively involved with Edwin.

. . . which is all kind of just semantics, I guess. Most people object to NTR because they don't want another man's dick in their girls. The mechanics of how the girl ends up with someone else is neither here nor there.
Like you said the game is pretty upfront about what is going to happen. It's up to you not to form that kind of an emotional attachment to the carnations given this, considering we all know what's coming.

If you are the type that hates any kind of sexual activity involving other dudes with women you can bang, then this game is definitely not for you.

That said, this game does a very good job of not "feeling" like NTR (the proper definition) because even though you may feel sorry for the carnations at times and may be nice to them, they never feel like your LI. They are not being "stolen" from you. This game really nails the asshole with redeeming qualities power fantasy.
 

Zoomaa

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Like you said the game is pretty upfront about what is going to happen. It's up to you not to form that kind of an emotional attachment to the carnations given this, considering we all know what's coming.

If you are the type that hates any kind of sexual activity involving other dudes with women you can bang, then this game is definitely not for you.

That said, this game does a very good job of not "feeling" like NTR (the proper definition) because even though you may feel sorry for the carnations at times and may be nice to them, they never feel like your LI. They are not being "stolen" from you. This game really nails the asshole with redeeming qualities power fantasy.
god damn being a fan of this game sounds exhausting having to explain things like this over and over again there is literally 14 page of people talking about ntr all they have to do is use the search function, I'm usually fine with girls getting more depraved toward the mc but having them do the same towards other NPC is not my thing its really a shame because from what i read the main girls sound like they have emotional depth to them and not all the games have that, anyway thanks for replying (y)
 

Bruh3047

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can someone tell me when the victoria scenes / flashbacks happen? like what character/dialogue do i have to interact with to get the scene
 

TD1900

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can someone tell me when the victoria scenes / flashbacks happen? like what character/dialogue do i have to interact with to get the scene
There's not really scenes with Victoria per se, so far they've all been a single image or two overlayed on top of key moments I want to get hamfisted with.

And there's quite a few of them, most of them are tied to Rosalind's content. I don't recall if any of them is missable there, with the exception of a player determinant scene where the MC chickens out during the Rosalind part of exhibition 2 and Ian steps up to fill his role. There's also a flashback during the interview with Felicia's husband, which if I recall correctly, requires the player character to both have sex with her and then choose to get indignant over Felicia's wealth/being a giant ho.
 

Bruh3047

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There's not really scenes with Victoria per se, so far they've all been a single image or two overlayed on top of key moments I want to get hamfisted with.

And there's quite a few of them, most of them are tied to Rosalind's content. I don't recall if any of them is missable there, with the exception of a player determinant scene where the MC chickens out during the Rosalind part of exhibition 2 and Ian steps up to fill his role. There's also a flashback during the interview with Felicia's husband, which if I recall correctly, requires the player character to both have sex with her and then choose to get indignant over Felicia's wealth/being a giant ho.
so excluding rosalind's scenes, can u tell me all of the other characters which trigger victoria scenes? or can you just provide pics as an attachment?
 
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can someone tell me when the victoria scenes / flashbacks happen? like what character/dialogue do i have to interact with to get the scene
Too much work to track down all of them, especially with details. But vaguely:

- Start of the game has some sexy scenes.
- Start and end of Week 1 has some sexy scenes.
- Pick Rose when shooting the introduction video, it has some sexy scenes.
- Fucking Rose after the park has a sexy scene.
- Mina's house when she finds Ian's video has her crying.
- Talking to the carnations at the restaurant before Week 1's event has her angry/crying.
- After fucking Hana at your birthday party, there's a teaching scene.
- Fucking Felicia at her house has some sexy + a boat scene. (Might require picking an angry choice, not sure.)
- Comforting Veronica (Requires Friendship >= 22) during the 2nd event has a scene about home.
- Fucking Rose in Week 2's event has sexy scenes.
- Letting Ian fuck Rose in Week 2's event has a disgusting, godforsaken scene for sickfucks.
- Fucking Mina at the hotel has a sexy scene.
- Dancing with Vera on her date has a beautiful scene.
- Not going on Vera's date and being on Rose's full deal path has a sexy scene.

Present day Victoria events are scattered everywhere. But from your attachment request, looks like you're only after her porn. I am disappointed, but at least you love her. See attached for most sexy pics of her. I exclude the disgusting, godforsaken sickfuck images, out of respect for my beloved Victoria.

Also added non-sexual flashback images. The boat fantasy image may or may not be a flashback. View attachment Victoria.zip View attachment Victoria Animations.zip View attachment NonSexualVictoriaFlashbacks.zip
 
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selberdreher

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Hello my fellow perverts and connoisseurs of this amazing game, i'd like to preface my post by wishing you all a happy new year and look forward to continued, substantial and -why not?- controversial discussions about my favourite smut game. My game experience wouldn't be the same if we wouldn't be able to share your insights and my thoughts on PaleCarnation.

Evenmoreso my best wishes for the beginning year go out to those often underappreciated and belittled patreons in general and particularly to those who support this game. You guys put your money where it counts and while moral support may be as or even more important for artistic creators in upholding their motivation to continue developing a great game, the reality of our materalistic world and the challenging times we're living in put pressure on even the most idealistic of devs. You guys help to relieve some of those more worldly concerns and a team which mind isn't bogged down and distracted by those can probably connect to their creativity in an easier way.

Last but absolutely not least i'd like to extend my new years greetings to our amazing developers, TD1900, supreme author of smutty content and GIL3D, Michelangelo of HoneySelect. May you guys be blessed first and foremost with health and good fortune, may your loved ones be safe, may your worries be small and your life in general more of a joy than the (often unavoidable) drag. I hope you can keep having fun creating PC and don't hesitate to take a downtime now and then when the negatives of your work threaten to overshadow this fun. Don't let yourself be pulled down by the often unreasonably demanding, whiny or insulting muddy parts of the internet, because in reality those don't count.

With all that said there are quite a lot of issues of Ch3Upd4 and Ch4Upd1 i'd like to bring to your and this threads attention, so expect some rather lengthy (even by my standards) posts. PC grew quite big in content, and while i admire your work and respect your creative vision i believe there are parts which could be done better within the borders of your worldbuilding and without tarnishing the essence of your narration. It may not look like it, but i am really hesitant to butt into anothers creative vision uninvited, but i am at a point where i consider to mod your script for myself, which would be probably the best course of action if i wouldn't delude myself into believing you guys could find my points actually viable and interesting.
Contracted authors working for a publisher usually enjoy the support of a lecturer to review their work and to help them in their writing, and i like the idea we, the fanbase, could partly fill this role for you guys. But i don't want to impose myself on your work, so please always treat my utterances as mere humble suggestions or outright discard them as the garbage they are: the unwanted ramblings of a conceited fan.

I'd like to base my suggestions and findings on actual ingame content and your game grew so big there is considerable research involved which hasn't all done yet. Also, the challenge to write in a foreign language takes a lot more time than doing it in my own native one, so as much as i'd like to include my points, since they are often interconnected, all into one concise and convincing post, i fear it is much more likely they end as a disjointed mess, trickling in at a glacial pace.
So please bear with me.
 
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TD1900

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With all that said there are quite a lot of issues of Ch3Upd4 and Ch4Upd1 i'd like to bring to your and this threads attention, so expect some rather lengthy (even by my standards) posts. PC grew quite big in content, and while i admire your work and respect your creative vision i believe there are parts which could be done better within the borders of your worldbuilding and without tarnishing the essence of your narration. It may not look like it, but i am really hesitant to butt into anothers creative vision uninvited, but i am at a point where i consider to mod your script for myself, which would be probably the best course of action if i wouldn't delude myself into believing you guys could find my points actually viable and interesting.
Contracted authors working for a publisher usually enjoy the support of a lecturer to review their work and to help them in their writing, and i like the idea we, the fanbase, could partly fill this role for you guys. But i don't want to impose myself on your work, so please always treat my utterances as mere humble suggestions or outright discard them as the garbage they are: the unwanted ramblings of a conceited fan.
I welcome criticism, but I would caution that you keep your assumptions tempered over how much of it will be actionable and weigh that against the time it will take you to compose some rather lengthy (by your standards) to judge if its worth the effort for you. A lot of the time, I find people conflate "what I would've done or would've liked to seen" type suggestions as constructive feedback, when it really is just a statement of preference on character/content and not in support of what would've best served the story's themes or plot beats. Which is something that is made much more tricky to do as an outsider of the creative process since the story has not yet reached a conclusion to judge it on.

Now, even just simply saying "this is lame" or "this would've had more punch" has value, so I'm sure the walls of text you're planning to churn out will have a lot of food for thought, but out of interest in sparing your time and any potential hurt feelings, I just want to reinforce what you have already acknowledged in the last line of the quoted portion above. In all likelihood, it will be met with some combination of "yeah, I could see that being more effective" and "that isn't what I'm going for" and go into the cauldron of feedback that informs our decision making in small, indiscernible ways.

I am pretty curious about the ways you could mod the script that would alleviate your issues. I'm guessing that would be more mechanically oriented, such as how points are given out or how things are pathed, but those are indeed the type of feedback that is more immediately viable.
 

jetama

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Wow... And they say this isn't a cuck game... smh my head.
I mean... I haven't played the game but from what I can gather from this thread the mom isn't a LI, so it technically isn't cucking/NTR?
 
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