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Thanks to you both for your answers! Pardon me if I don't reply to your messages point by point; I'm already verbose as is, and I don't want to repeat treaded ground too much. I'll just ask to consider the following.
Many of the points you raised about sex workers can be reduced to a single fundamental point: coercion, explicit or implicit. The fact that many sex workers (actors or prostitutes) have horror stories derive, in my opinion, mostly from the fact that they cannot choose clientele or exercise "service agreement", or even require a modicum of empathy during the act. But this isn't, or at the very least it shouldn't be, a given for their profession: it's a matter of circumstance.
As for the implicit value of sex, well, I don't think there is any in the act itself. People give it value. And that's where things get fuzzy: if you're sharing a "special moment" with someone you love, you and your partner are giving value to it. But one partner may want a quickie, or may experience some "sexual fatigue", or have unfulfilled fantasies ("you have betrayed me in your mind!" scenarios). Do these things devalue sex? And from the flip side, what about a couple's previous relationships, do the sex they had (the amount of which will inevitably grow in time) devalue the sex they are having now? In my opinion, the value of sex is to be given and agreed by both partners; that's why being a sex professional does not implicitly and necessarily debase the act itself. Still, I recognize this is mostly a grey area, and I can see people disagree; or as we said, not wanting a relationship at all, it's perfectly fine and understandable.
All in all, sex work (and sex, by extension) isn't something to be romanticized; but it's equally wrong to "demonize" it. As we said, it's always better to avoid extremes and apply some finesse to one's judgment. The game, even with a "novelized" view of reality, provide ample thinking material about the aforementioned matters, and this is something I think we can all agree upon being so good about it, even with our different views on things.
Well well well, such an interesting topic.
whenever i want to have a good conversation i come to this game.
my take? it is complicated.
the great mayority of interview i have seen of pornstar are pretty hard. sexual abuse, hard childhood, pedophilia, mental problem, etc. i am not saying that everybody is like that, for example there are porn actresses that has become respectable artist but it is real weird.
my point is that a job where you trivialize such intimate moments can damage a person, but it is true that there are other jobs that do the same without being so disliked.
since we talk about soldiers and policemen, they are jobs that affect relationship heavily, we know that stadistically a Big number of soldier relationship finished with cheating, no all but the mayority of it, witch is really terrible, and that without saying how many people has lost their life for being close or a relative of a police person, my point with this is that Jobs can affect a relationship whether is right or wrong.
so you has to take the fact that a person is a porn star o prostitute seriously if you want to be in a relationship with one, it is not a thing that shouldnt care.
but lets remember that this people are that... PEOPLE, as such if we know them and understand them a relationship shouldnt be imposible.
it is what happens in this game, we get to know closely all the Lis, we see what bothers them, what they like and why they act like they do.
in my case i havent see someone in those characters that i would really dislike, what show us that the devs are really good.
in case of Mina, she has seen so many cheatings in her mother relationships, and with Ian, i dont find so weird she wants to understand why people like it so much, some people need weird experience to make their mind, how many people cheat on their cheating parnerts just to feel that they are worth something, i dont hate Mina in that mindset, yeah is cold but to take this choice, she has to think about it hard, and we knows that Mina is the kind of person that think a lot about life, even then if you choice to wait until she has broken up with Ian, it looks like she doesnt Cheat on him at all, she is the kind of person that needs to have a conection to someone to have sex, that is why she ask you if you like her before asking about become phisical, to me if i could understand a person it could be posible to have a relationship, after all comunication is the most important in one, now i would still choice The others Li if i have the choice.
With Roselind is a bit tricky, she is desperate, since it isnt just her life that it is at risk, in such situation anything that would take your mind out of your problem would "help"... yeah she is not just a victim but it still affect her, it is true that she is a closet pervert and she is finding some side of herself that enjoy the situation in the club, but i think Rose isnt thinking clearly right now, so i wouldnt judge her as an horrible manipulative slut until she has been out of her problem, i do think she would be a great wife if given the choice but after this experience who knows.
whenever i want to have a good conversation i come to this game.
my take? it is complicated.
the great mayority of interview i have seen of pornstar are pretty hard. sexual abuse, hard childhood, pedophilia, mental problem, etc. i am not saying that everybody is like that, for example there are porn actresses that has become respectable artist but it is real weird.
my point is that a job where you trivialize such intimate moments can damage a person, but it is true that there are other jobs that do the same without being so disliked.
since we talk about soldiers and policemen, they are jobs that affect relationship heavily, we know that stadistically a Big number of soldier relationship finished with cheating, no all but the mayority of it, witch is really terrible, and that without saying how many people has lost their life for being close or a relative of a police person, my point with this is that Jobs can affect a relationship whether is right or wrong.
so you has to take the fact that a person is a porn star o prostitute seriously if you want to be in a relationship with one, it is not a thing that shouldnt care.
but lets remember that this people are that... PEOPLE, as such if we know them and understand them a relationship shouldnt be imposible.
it is what happens in this game, we get to know closely all the Lis, we see what bothers them, what they like and why they act like they do.
in my case i havent see someone in those characters that i would really dislike, what show us that the devs are really good.
in case of Mina, she has seen so many cheatings in her mother relationships, and with Ian, i dont find so weird she wants to understand why people like it so much, some people need weird experience to make their mind, how many people cheat on their cheating parnerts just to feel that they are worth something, i dont hate Mina in that mindset, yeah is cold but to take this choice, she has to think about it hard, and we knows that Mina is the kind of person that think a lot about life, even then if you choice to wait until she has broken up with Ian, it looks like she doesnt Cheat on him at all, she is the kind of person that needs to have a conection to someone to have sex, that is why she ask you if you like her before asking about become phisical, to me if i could understand a person it could be posible to have a relationship, after all comunication is the most important in one, now i would still choice The others Li if i have the choice.
With Roselind is a bit tricky, she is desperate, since it isnt just her life that it is at risk, in such situation anything that would take your mind out of your problem would "help"... yeah she is not just a victim but it still affect her, it is true that she is a closet pervert and she is finding some side of herself that enjoy the situation in the club, but i think Rose isnt thinking clearly right now, so i wouldnt judge her as an horrible manipulative slut until she has been out of her problem, i do think she would be a great wife if given the choice but after this experience who knows.
I enjoy reading your replies.
I think it can be bad to demonize it, but not always bad. It depends on the intent. Too often especially in real world progressive circles I see people latching on to a defense of the industry, or at least the female practitioners, as if it's some grand moral battleground.
To me, this loses sight of the simple fact that in a truly gender-progressive society, no market (or at least not one of the current size) would exist for sexual services. It's precisely the asymmetry in gender sexual dynamics that makes it a viable business. The solution to a fundamentally exploitive market isn't to encourage its operation by 'rounding' the rough edges. It's bad for young women, it's bad for lonely men, it's bad for humans in general and perverts interactions normally occurring in a trusting and intimate context.
Re: the value of sex, I wouldn't call one's sexual history adding or devaluing the sex they're having now........but it certainly does play into it; just as one's past experiences with everything in life will play into the person they are today. I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment of 'avoiding extremes and applying some finesse' here, as I think too often people take extreme views on this, either demanding chaste puritanism or speaking like some kind of sexual libertarian in which a free market full of frequent pairings is a functional and desirable place.
To bring it back to the game, this is why many pages back I commented to td1900 how I really wish the game had more non-mc sexual encounters; specifically carnations/candidates and customers. Without those, these discussions tend to remain academic, and it's easy to separate the game characters from their professions. When those do occur, it really challenges the player to think about how they really feel towards these questions.
- Jul 28, 2019
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Okay, this game is way too good, i stopped playing this game years ago because i didnt have the heart to play it further, but now i did and man kathleen is the biggest bitch i ever saw, not only is she fucking psychotic, she also just randomly hints about his moms porn in front of everyone and then fucking calls her like this guy is 15 or something? This bitch makes me so fucking angry, the reason she gave the MC for why she called is stupid af btw, dont know how mc believed her, im sure this fucking dusty old bitch wants to blackmail the mc, FUCKING SLAP THE BITCH AND THEN GO TO UNCLE CHUCK WTF MC.
Edit: PLS tell me i can slap this bitch into oblivion later
Edit: PLS tell me i can slap this bitch into oblivion later
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Keep playing but word to the wise i wouldn't trust good old "uncle Chuck" if i were Edwin too.
Fun fact:
There was in history a prostitute who did it for a large part out of genuine generosity. Wanting to bring happiness to men by giving them genuine kindness, a overall good time and fulfilling sex.
She got rich af from this and used the money for even more good.
She also probably didnt get traumatized from this, or at least not as much.
But do prostitutes like this exist today...
who knows
Still not going to marry them, though.
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Damn, seems like he has no one in his corner then, huh? Still i wanna punch the bitchKeep playing but word to the wise i wouldn't trust good old "uncle Chuck" if i were Edwin too.
Uncle Chuck is a much better choice if you want to play like a psychopath than Kathleen in my opinion.Keep playing but word to the wise i wouldn't trust good old "uncle Chuck" if i were Edwin too.
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Okay i changed my mind, i want to hate fuck this bitch, the harper "present" scene showed kathleen can be dominated, FUCK IT IM IN.
Depends, Kath and Chuck are simply different types of psychopath. Not that PC has a lack of them, considering what we are learning about many characters in it.
People, do you think the developers will finish the game after the end of the storyline regarding the month of tests for carnations? Of course I would like to continue..
No, since this is a game around a luxus bordello, it´s employees, psychopathic owners and medical experimantation on humans, we only have wholesome picknicks, plucking daisies, ice cream dates... you know, everything you´ll see in family serials.
Joking aside, this a welltold crime story, withmemorable characters and decisions. We have and/or will have NTR, sharing, swinging and many kinks more in Pale Carnations. Hope this helps you.
I say it because Chuck has some kind of attachment to Edwin so he is less likely to harm him assuming Edwin does not try to ruin him. The same cannot be said about Kat - she will not think twice about screwing you over. Kat might be a lot more fun though.
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As far as I know, the plan is to complete the next two weeks of the summer exhibition and include several epilogues thereafter. I would love for PC to continue beyond that point as well, but all stories must come to an end eventually. Don't worry too much about it. We still have an enormous amount of content ahead of us, and I'm sure that TD and Gil will do a hell of a job with what remains.People, do you think the developers will finish the game after the end of the storyline regarding the month of tests for carnations? Of course I would like to continue..
Thanks for answerNo, since this is a game around a luxus bordello, it´s employees, psychopathic owners and medical experimantation on humans, we only have wholesome picknicks, plucking daisies, ice cream dates... you know, everything you´ll see in family serials.
Joking aside, this a welltold crime story, withmemorable characters and decisions. We have and/or will have NTR, sharing, swinging and many kinks more in Pale Carnations. Hope this helps you.
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Let me say this first, sorry for the long post.
I'm at the part where we find out why Felicia wants to join the club at her secret place, so not that far tbh.
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HA, dude i read some comments and people saying this MC is bland are absolute monkey brains, this dude is quite interesting, not only does he treat the women, his mom and other people right, despite their shortcomings (if you play the nice route), but he also has a pretty clear head when he needs to, not to mention he is a smart mofo, while at the same time he has SOOO many things wrong in his head he suppresses (or tries) these thoughts/feelings/impulses because he knows these are people not just meat, i like him way too much tbh. Then he also has a perfect way with his words, knows what to say to butter up or tear someone a new one, i don't get how people think he is bland. This guy just gets things done and over with, pretty swell guy.
I love games where the MC is not absolute psycho creep, does not have magic dick and scent that make women fly at him from every direction for no reason at all, in this game they at first do it either because they think he is gonna help them win, just for the "fun" or because they think he has some pull in the club/someone "forces" them to do it, but after he helps them when they think everyone is against them, they start to see that he is not like the people at the club and slowly warm up to him.
The Girls feel way too real... for a porn game.
I stated that i didn't have the heart to play this game a couple years ago, i changed quite a bit since then, but it was mainly because my mother was a stripper (or more i have no idea) when i was little to bring me out of a shithole country to live with her, and it stuck with me to this day, it hit me way too close to home. This time i steeled myself and play the route where i try to help the girls get through this without too much damage, and man this game makes me feel and care for them, i had to stop playing and touch some grass. No other game came close to LoF (which took me out for a full day, which is rare), but this one is tied to it in terms of characters so far.
Favorite girls so far,
Want to help the most:
1: Rose (even if she does not win, im gonna pay her debt if the devs let us, 20k should be nothing for MC with how much he hypes up his salary)
2: Vic (that movie star is fucked, hope we get to fuck him over, HARD!)
3: Felicia (she just wants some connections to get away from her husband and be her own woman, hope we can give them to her when we control this club, even if she does not win)
Favorites for relationship:
1: Hana and Mina (i honestly can't decide on either of them and dread the time when i have to choose)
Hate fuck potential:
1: Dusty old hag (she is pretty hot to be honest, I'm a sucker for pretty eyes)
2: Ians mom
3: if i was gay, the fucking movie guy XD
4: no one else on my hate radar so far.
Others:
1: MC Mom
2:
3:
4:
....
---- Everyone else (maybe i will like other girls more when i find out stuff about them ^^)
Amazing game! THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING THIS A SHITTY SANDBOX, TYTYTYTY!!!!
I'm at the part where we find out why Felicia wants to join the club at her secret place, so not that far tbh.
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HA, dude i read some comments and people saying this MC is bland are absolute monkey brains, this dude is quite interesting, not only does he treat the women, his mom and other people right, despite their shortcomings (if you play the nice route), but he also has a pretty clear head when he needs to, not to mention he is a smart mofo, while at the same time he has SOOO many things wrong in his head he suppresses (or tries) these thoughts/feelings/impulses because he knows these are people not just meat, i like him way too much tbh. Then he also has a perfect way with his words, knows what to say to butter up or tear someone a new one, i don't get how people think he is bland. This guy just gets things done and over with, pretty swell guy.
I love games where the MC is not absolute psycho creep, does not have magic dick and scent that make women fly at him from every direction for no reason at all, in this game they at first do it either because they think he is gonna help them win, just for the "fun" or because they think he has some pull in the club/someone "forces" them to do it, but after he helps them when they think everyone is against them, they start to see that he is not like the people at the club and slowly warm up to him.
The Girls feel way too real... for a porn game.
I stated that i didn't have the heart to play this game a couple years ago, i changed quite a bit since then, but it was mainly because my mother was a stripper (or more i have no idea) when i was little to bring me out of a shithole country to live with her, and it stuck with me to this day, it hit me way too close to home. This time i steeled myself and play the route where i try to help the girls get through this without too much damage, and man this game makes me feel and care for them, i had to stop playing and touch some grass. No other game came close to LoF (which took me out for a full day, which is rare), but this one is tied to it in terms of characters so far.
Favorite girls so far,
Want to help the most:
1: Rose (even if she does not win, im gonna pay her debt if the devs let us, 20k should be nothing for MC with how much he hypes up his salary)
2: Vic (that movie star is fucked, hope we get to fuck him over, HARD!)
3: Felicia (she just wants some connections to get away from her husband and be her own woman, hope we can give them to her when we control this club, even if she does not win)
Favorites for relationship:
1: Hana and Mina (i honestly can't decide on either of them and dread the time when i have to choose)
Hate fuck potential:
1: Dusty old hag (she is pretty hot to be honest, I'm a sucker for pretty eyes)
2: Ians mom
3: if i was gay, the fucking movie guy XD
4: no one else on my hate radar so far.
Others:
1: MC Mom
2:
3:
4:
....
---- Everyone else (maybe i will like other girls more when i find out stuff about them ^^)
Amazing game! THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING THIS A SHITTY SANDBOX, TYTYTYTY!!!!
the skipping literally crashes my windows for some reason???
and everytime you re-enter the game all the scenes are locked
and everytime you re-enter the game all the scenes are locked
- May 20, 2021
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OR, hear me out... we dig up some dirt on them and blackmail them to keep making PC, sequels, and spinoffs forever.As far as I know, the plan is to complete the next two weeks of the summer exhibition and include several epilogues thereafter. I would love for PC to continue beyond that point as well, but all stories must come to an end eventually. Don't worry too much about it. We still have an enormous amount of content ahead of us, and I'm sure that TD and Gil will do a hell of a job with what remains.
Alright, so who knows how to dox someone?
This is a joke. Absolutely do not dox TD and Gil, nor give a serious answer about how to dox someone.