VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[JasonsGranpa]

An apt comparison: combat veterans and sex-workers. Though maybe the difference in the ways we're treated illustrates the injustice. Thank God my wife was able to see beyond kind well-wishing. This despite her recognition of the heavy impact that years of war had on my mind, which has made our relationship border upon horrible at times. It has brought many problems, intense nightmares, hypervigilance, and inappropriate aggression, but oddly she's never been disgusted with me for having served. Now it's true, I never lowered myself to fucking for money, but I was paid, and my chosen occupation required I do things that led to more harmful outcomes than orgasm. Odd that I'm pretty highly celebrated three times a year for that. Maybe pornstars and prostitutes just need better PR.

Just to be clear: the only common thing I was referring to was the trauma and the 1000 yard stare / 1000 cocks stare.

Soldiers may have to sacrifice their life so others can live safely. If one is a soldier one might directly or indirectly defend the very life of ones wife/future wife. Prostitutes sell their body for personal financial gain instead of working a less paying more arduous job. All she did for her husband/future husband is making his life less peaceful, more problematic and more miserable.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

You can treat a prostitute as a human without sanctioning her life choices.

No woman would say: "Ah yes, that guy had sex with dogs for 5 years, but thats his past. I will marry him."

 

[obiruto]

Does the old woman dominate the mc at any moment? If yes when is that? I'm not sure if I missed it

 

[Idontplay]

No. There are some femdom scenes among women, but there are none with the MC.

 

[Turret]

Dont disgust-shame me, bro!
, except maybeOf course I meant disgusted when thinking of a loving sexual relationship. You can still be kind and well-wishing like you are to your grandma. You still might be disgusted when thinking of rimjobbing her.
I'm also disgusted by girls eating feces, fucking horses, and riding rotten toes of corpses btw. Even if it was 7 years ago. Just to clarify

Pardon me and please do not get it the wrong way, but what do you think the average Porn actor or prostitute does? What you describe here is niche of niche stuff, except maybe rimming, which is a bit(!) more common.
No wonder your view is like that, when you are averaging things only a tiny fraction of these two groups does, on all.

And an example that not everything is black and white: "Gina Wild"(stagename) was once a famous porn actress, today she is a rather well-known theatre actress, who is acting at some of the major theatres.

Nobody denies that are quite a number of porn actors and prostitutes which are not "relationship material", but that has less to do with their jobs, but more with other things, like general mindset ouside work for example.
Like in all groups, you will some absolutely rotten apples and you´ll also find really great apples in there.

 

[hibro1]

Anyone have a save file from last update I wanna play this update but my previous files got deleted.
Thank you very much!

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

Usually the reaction of other people when approaching them revolves around the extremes: either they are perceived as human filth, or misguided little angels to be saved.

I was thinking the exact same thing reading this entire conversation. You can be a great person while simultaneously enjoying getting railed by a bunch of people. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[dolfe67]

No. There are some femdom scenes among women, but there are none with the MC.

You're wrong, there is a couple scenes where the MC is being dominated (with Kathleen and Veronica), but it's always a choice between dominating or being dominated.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Pardon me and please do not get it the wrong way, but what do you think the average Porn actor or prostitute does? What you describe here is niche of niche stuff, except maybe rimming, which is a bit(!) more common.
No wonder your view is like that, when you are averaging things only a tiny fraction of these two groups does, on all.

No problem at all. I didn't mean to infer that prostitutes/pornprostitutes do these things. Its just that I find it similarly disgusting when a woman takes cum from 800 men in her mouth or vagina. To imagine to lie in bed with such a woman and lovingly make out... *shudder*

Nobody denies that are quite a number of porn actors and prostitutes which are not "relationship material", but that has less to do with their jobs, but more with other things, like general mindset ouside work for example.
Like in all groups, you will some absolutely rotten apples and you´ll also find really great apples in there.

This is exactly where our views differ. Not only do I think its their rotten apple mindset that leads them to choose to become a prostitute/pornactress. I'm also convinced that doing precisely those things will make them absolutely unfit for a relationship.

I genuinly wish them well in life but I'm not their 'Capt'n save a Hoe'. Prostitute and Wife are paths that don't mix well. She made her choice. You can't always have it all.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Question: what would a girl like Felicia, Mina, Rosalind, or Dalia have to do, for you to disqualify her from being in a relationship with you?

 

[terza]

Where did the Mc's mom's dead theory come from? I WANT to believe that her story is already over and she wouldn't have anything to do with the club, whether it was being blackmailed or whatever. And given that the creator of this game occasionally adds her porn scenes into the game, did you guys think that she would still suffer more than this? Let her rest, dude.

 

[obiruto]

You're wrong, there is a couple scenes where the MC is being dominated (with Kathleen and Veronica), but it's always a choice between dominating or being dominated.

If you don't mind, can you tell me when that is in the story? I will redo the game once more with walkthrough this time so I won't miss it.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Question: what would a girl like Felicia, Mina, Rosalind, or Dalia have to do, for you to disqualify her from being in a relationship with you?

This question is not bait btw. I feel pale carnations asks that question implicitly with the LIs it presents.

Since I cannot understand many positions here on the women prostituting themselves I'm truly curious what would a woman have to do to disqualify her from you wanting a relationship with her if being/having been a prostitute is fine. I dont mean obvious personality traits like lying, cheating, malicious behaviour, etc. - but purely sexual acts. Is there something you could not tolerate?

For me it would even be things like enjoying clubbing a lot. But I had different views on this when I was younger.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

If you don't mind, can you tell me when that is in the story? I will redo the game once more with walkthrough this time so I won't miss it.

You can also just check out the gallery with a gallery unlocker included in one of the mods on the original post.

 

[Takkatakka]

Question: what would a girl like Felicia, Mina, Rosalind, or Dalia have to do, for you to disqualify her from being in a relationship with you?

Dalia is out because...well...of her job.
Felicia is one of those women that will just cheat on you at some point, I feel. She is nice and seems to have a good heart, but I doubt she can be faithful to anybody for long.
Rosalind could probably be a great wife if you treat her and her kid (or maybe kids) at least decent.
Mina also could be a golden ticket. She can be a bit fake at times, so that could end up being a problem but so far in the game...well...Ian was just a huge idiot for pushing her away.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Nobody denies that are quite a number of porn actors and prostitutes which are not "relationship material", but that has less to do with their jobs, but more with other things, like general mindset ouside work for example.
Like in all groups, you will some absolutely rotten apples and you´ll also find really great apples in there.

This is exactly where our views differ. Not only do I think its their rotten apple mindset that leads them to choose to become a prostitute/pornactress. I'm also convinced that doing precisely those things will make them absolutely unfit for a relationship.

I tend to break from otherwise fairly modern/sexually welcoming views on this and agree with JasonsGranpa here.

On prostitution/porn in general, disregarding the rest of their lives and the emotional side, the simple choice of career to fuck for money means they hold an implicit expectation of any potential romantic partners being okay with this. What a horribly arrogant notion! This extends to male actors too. (obviously those that are just trying to get money in a quick fix don't apply, I'm talking about those making a career)

So for starters, yes, the idea that a potential partner would require you to accept they fuck other people during the relationship as a condition for even being with them is rotten relationship material to the core. I'm not opposed in anyway to swinging/adventurous couples that go out on weekend orgies. This is not that - this is begining the relationship from a framework of asymetry (unless they're both in the business, that's a whole different dynamic Im not touching)

Furthermore, fundamentally, who does porn attract? No, not nymphos. No, not "sluts".

It attracts women with poor impulse control, and I don't mean sexual. It attracts those who would prefer to have the time of their lives on the weekend spending 100s or 1000s of dollars on fun, then needing to earn that back during the week with a minimal skillset. A different option would be the crappy retail/labor job (like so many americans) - which wouldn't earn enough for the hedonist vacations. That's not objectively "worse", it just means their lives are sine waves with much larger peak amplitudes- and that does not bode well for relationship stability; between lovers, between friends, between family, anything.

 

[Turret]

I tend to break from otherwise fairly modern/sexually welcoming views on this and agree with JasonsGranpa here.

On prostitution/porn in general, disregarding the rest of their lives and the emotional side, the simple choice of career to fuck for money means they hold an implicit expectation of any potential romantic partners being okay with this. What a horribly arrogant notion! This extends to male actors too. (obviously those that are just trying to get money in a quick fix don't apply, I'm talking about those making a career)

So for starters, yes, the idea that a potential partner would require you to accept they fuck other people during the relationship as a condition for even being with them is rotten relationship material to the core. I'm not opposed in anyway to swinging/adventurous couples that go out on weekend orgies. This is not that - this is begining the relationship from a framework of asymetry (unless they're both in the business, that's a whole different dynamic Im not touching)

Furthermore, fundamentally, who does porn attract? No, not nymphos. No, not "sluts".

It attracts women with poor impulse control, and I don't mean sexual. It attracts those who would prefer to have the time of their lives on the weekend spending 100s or 1000s of dollars on fun, then needing to earn that back during the week with a minimal skillset. A different option would be the crappy retail/labor job (like so many americans) - which wouldn't earn enough for the hedonist vacations. That's not objectively "worse", it just means their lives are sine waves with much larger peak amplitudes- and that does not bode well for relationship stability; between lovers, between friends, between family, anything.

Hi Pr0GamerJohnny !
I think we need to focus on the subgroups a bit. The groups you describe are certainly problematic for any type of halfway normal relationship, no doubt about it!
With the good apples I meant Porn actors/Prostitutes which stop or just finish off the last set contracts and then stop when they found the right one. Showing commitment to the relationship forming.
Those partners ok with them continuing shooting porn or being a hooker are a whole other can of worms.

As are those couples becoming adventurous together at a later date in their relationship.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

Dalia is out because...well...of her job.
Felicia is one of those women that will just cheat on you at some point, I feel. She is nice and seems to have a good heart, but I doubt she can be faithful to anybody for long.
Rosalind could probably be a great wife if you treat her and her kid (or maybe kids) at least decent.
Mina also could be a golden ticket. She can be a bit fake at times, so that could end up being a problem but so far in the game...well...Ian was just a huge idiot for pushing her away.

Thats an opinion I can relate to much more. When you speak of Rosalind, do you mean with or without her current carnation activities?

Because the Rose we see in regards to her former husband is closest to what I would look for in a wife out of all the women presented in the game.

 

[JasonsGranpa]

I tend to break from otherwise fairly modern/sexually welcoming views on this and agree with JasonsGranpa here.

On prostitution/porn in general, disregarding the rest of their lives and the emotional side, the simple choice of career to fuck for money means they hold an implicit expectation of any potential romantic partners being okay with this. What a horribly arrogant notion! This extends to male actors too. (obviously those that are just trying to get money in a quick fix don't apply, I'm talking about those making a career)

So for starters, yes, the idea that a potential partner would require you to accept they fuck other people during the relationship as a condition for even being with them is rotten relationship material to the core. I'm not opposed in anyway to swinging/adventurous couples that go out on weekend orgies. This is not that - this is begining the relationship from a framework of asymetry (unless they're both in the business, that's a whole different dynamic Im not touching)

Furthermore, fundamentally, who does porn attract? No, not nymphos. No, not "sluts".

It attracts women with poor impulse control, and I don't mean sexual. It attracts those who would prefer to have the time of their lives on the weekend spending 100s or 1000s of dollars on fun, then needing to earn that back during the week with a minimal skillset. A different option would be the crappy retail/labor job (like so many americans) - which wouldn't earn enough for the hedonist vacations. That's not objectively "worse", it just means their lives are sine waves with much larger peak amplitudes- and that does not bode well for relationship stability; between lovers, between friends, between family, anything.

Interesting point. A lot of 'live fast die young' type girls.

 

[obiruto]

You can also just check out the gallery with a gallery unlocker included in one of the mods on the original post.

Thanks!