Then it will not be a big problem for you with Pale Carnations as it is now. The MC is single at game start and has to build a relationship with the possible love interests first. And like in real life the LIs are not nuns, so have (had) relationships before, but even if you go for women like "Mrs. Hedonist" Felicia, you will learn over the game that possible real NTR in the future will have to be chosen very distinctively by yourself.
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Depends on what counts as "something". There are two potential girlfriends, and after you have "the talk" with one of them, you can agree to enter into an exclusive relationship (your obligations at the brothel notwithstanding). So far she has upheld her side of the bargain, you can be a scumbag and have sex behind her back. I don't remember if you can do the same with the other potential GF, as we stayed casual in my playthrough.
If you mean "none of the potential LIs or side girls are allowed to have sex with anyone else, even if I don't choose them", then no. Some of the girls are literal prostitutes, some are married or have a boyfriend, and some would loudly protest if you ever suggested they stay away from other men because you've bumped uglies once.
That is not quite correct! There are at least 5 LIs, Hana, Mina and the three Carnations Felicia, Rosi and Veronika. We should not forget Kath for the "asshole MC" player and there might be also Dalia and Sophia as "dark horses" among the possible love interests. Because the way these two were introduced gives vibes towards possible love interest later in the game.
The only candidates for the type of relationship vanilla lovers are looking for are Hana and Mina. If you are not ok with the LIs prostituting themselves (which is what the discussion seemed like it was originally about) then the remaining LIs are eliminated.
I do agree that although right now we cannot have the 'talk' with the carnations, they will eventually become LIs. I feel like the romance with Veronica is probably the easiest among the carnations followed by Felicia (she is married + a massive hedonist so it will require some convincing) followed by Rose (due to her having a kid).
Kat is a psycho and even in the endings I dont see her throwing away her marriage/reputation to be with some college kid. I think they will simply continue to fuck in the club. Edwin on the evil path might not be too interested in relationships/love anyway.
I would be very surprised if Sophia and Dalia are going to be actual LIs. Similarly I have my doubts about multi-girl endings that are not in the asshole turn everyone into a drug fueled sex slave route. But we'll see - I could be wrong about that.
While the carnations are obviously prostitutes, it seems TD makes effort to not let them have sex with other men unless you choose to. This seems to be a conscious thing and therefore might be continued like that.
Yeah I had made just this observation a few months ago after the last big update...it's certainly a stylistic choice....for a club touted as a depraved place full of promiscuity, there sure are a lot of overarching harem themes, and particularly bdsm/humiliation themes (without promiscuity).
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At least... not yet! They might be fucked by the old men in the last trial
I remember being surprised when Kat said to MC that the patrons normally dont get to fuck the carnations - since in that early video from another carnations event you saw them all taking turns at them.
But I guess I prefer seeing my MC having sex than just watching others.
Hopefully including Hana and MinaAt least... not yet! They might be fucked by the old men in the last trial
Yes, you are correct that the super vanilla players currently "only" have Hana and Mina as love interests.
Interesting ranking for the Carnations by you. In my opinion a romance with Felicia is the easiest. While her marriage is a problem, just look at the evening drive with Feli´s proposal. Esp. if you chose to go with her to the art exhibtion without any strings attached, it is easy to see that the MC and Felicia have a clicking connection.
Rosi would be next. Her marriage is no problem, snce the piece of filth her husband is abandoned her into the crappy situation she is in. But from her personality we see currently and some other things, I think it more probable that at the end of the game they part ways on friendly terms.
Veronica I see as the least probable LI. She distinctly, even on very high realtions, told the MC that once the month is over she would prefer to never see him again outside his training at her gym. That is quite a hurdle to take.
I define love interest as a person you will have a marriage or marriagelike relationship with. So Kath keeping her marriage while shaking it up with "bad" Edwin is definitely possible.
It would be really great if they become love interests! So please TD1900 , if it is a thought option by you to make Dalia and/or Sophia datable love interests, please do so!
Those two would be great "against the flow" LIs.From what we know from the character data and gameplay Dalia is a nice and indeed intelligent woman, who knows how to be delicate and when needed forceful. The only "conventional flaw" this Latina lady has is she is/was a prostitute, depending under what circumstances you get together. A man looking beyond her (former) occupation can make quite a catch.
In the case of Doctor Sophia Lundgren, she is the special one among the possible love interests! A brilliant mind, eccentric, cold and calculating, worming your way into her heart would be quite a challenge and a bit different from pursuing the other LIs! But as we see in game, the MC and Sophia, cardcarrying members of the Nerd Squad, connect quite well together and even better than Edwin thought would happen. If we play it right, we end the current game version on good terms with Sophia and her private phone number (for emergencies, but if it will become possible to date her, this might be just the beginning).
I prefer both, I want mc to be having sex not just watching, but I also want the story and world to be believable and consistent.
You may be right. Although they are participating in a contest in a brothel. And that means they can get fucked by the ugly bastards. I think the very first introduction to club activities was the CD that Kat gave us featuring public use. I think patrons get to fuck the carnations depending on the type of event so I would not be surprised if we saw a public use scene with the 3 carnations. I would even want a scene like that. I am not normally a fan of hardcore/extreme fetishes but for this particular game I want more hardcore scenes because of how well the evil route is written. And even in the route where the MC is nice showing more extreme scenes can work narratively by strengthening the MC's resolve to bring down the club.
The reason for my ranking is as follows:
- I feel like Felicia is down to fuck anytime and anywhere and she even cares for the MC. But she want through a lot to marry a rich guy and get the status she wanted. Maybe if she had more power of her own a romance might have been easier but her ditching her husband and running away to the country with the MC would mean throwing away everything she had worked for. It is going to be hard for her to do that.
- As for Rose, I just feel like she is just in a very different stage in her life. Given the MC's personality, I find it difficult to imagine he would want to be a father while he has not even started med school yet. Also I feel like of the 3 carnations she has had the least number of 'romantic' moments. Of the carnations she is in the shittiest situation and like you said I also think it is most probable that she and the MC will part on friendly terms assuming you are playing as a nice guy.
- Veronica went from hating the MC to having some genuine heartfelt dialogue with him. Just look at the difference between when she was first introduced vs having a good relation with her in the more recent updates. If the trend continues I think it is easiest for the MC to have a relationship with her.
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Never mind, found it!
For posterity:
kat "These games usually require a dick and you've got one. Quite the handsome one too."
mc "To be honest, I figured the club's patrons would be participating..."
kat "What? No. They're here to watch. For the most part."
kat "They'll occasionally get the chance to have fun, but they do have money on the outcome each week. It'd be improper to directly involve them too much."
mct "(Proper...? What's proper in any of this?)"
mc "That makes sense, I guess."
kat "With that being the case, we call on our male employees to fill in as needed. Namely you, Ian, and occasionally even Warren."
If that's the part you're thinking of, it doesn't discount the patrons getting some.
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I can understand why TD might be choosing to not have guys taking turns with the carnations, but to me it felt a bit forced and unbelievable to not have the patrons fuck the carnations so far - even if there where reasons given like the betting.
I mean which patron would IRL be ok paying prime money to then just watch a live porn instead of fucking the objects of desire - while the sole reason given is the integrity of the gambling?
They could even do it outside of the competition.
Curious to see how TD will decide.
Dalias character model is insanely sexy, but could you really look past her having been a proper prostitute?It would be really great if they become love interests! So please , if it is a thought option by you to make Dalia and/or Sophia datable love interests, please do so!
From what we know from the character data and gameplay Dalia is a nice and indeed intelligent woman, who knows how to be delicate and when needed forceful. The only "conventional flaw" this Latina lady has is she is/was a prostitute, depending under what circumstances you get together. A man looking beyond her (former) occupation can make quite a catch.
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Dalia is sexy as absolute fuck and is motherly and sweet. She's definitely not doing this because she likes it. I for one would love to find a way to free her from her obligations but that doesn't seem likely. If there were a way she could stop and be free I would scoop her up in a fucking heartbeat.Dalias character model is insanely sexy, but could you really look past her having been a proper prostitute?
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She would be down for almost anything and seems like she would make a great Mom. After seven years or so the body's cells are completely renewed so I guess all the "cocks cocks cocks cum cum cum" residue would be gone by then. Or, y'know, this week... after a shower or a douche or two.
Yeah, dude. I'm not going to slut shame her for something she seems like she can't control right now... much less later on in the future when she's passed it. Have you seen her thighs?
I don't want to play the part of the prophet, or the mind reader, with the authors and their narrative... But if I had to guess, I'd say this is a matter of progression and escalation. The Club patrons have access to the Club "employees" as they see fit, more or less, while the Carnations are there for a different reason - for the patrons, the "games" themselves are all in all a matter of vanity and titillation. As TD said, Club patrons aren't allowed direct interaction for the most part. It's very likely that we will see something different in the future - and I'm willing to bet this will have narrative and emotional impact.
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Not forced or unbelievable at all. The conflict of interest through betting, and maintaining the integrity of the show are strong justifications. In addition, many of the events didn't involve fucking, and many were curated shows not conducive to audience involvement. Vera's spider event is the closest scenario which could warrant audience involvement, but it not doing so is also justified story wise. Finally, it's an AVN, why should the main character be sidelined during the main events?
Pre-1: Vibrator endurance test between Lucy and Vera.
Pre-2: Vera's cum chalice.
Pre-3: Lucy/Vera competition.
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3rd: Bukkake - audience was involved.
4th: Vera's shame.
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The thousands who visit "performance artists". The millions who visit strip clubs, or cabaret. Kathy's shows are much better. There's specialized IRL counterparts too, like donkey shows, where people pay to see whores get fucked by donkeys and horses. It's mostly unproven but I think one case went through court and there were plenty of videos on Luxure where you could see it yourself. The allure of the Carnations show isn't about fucking. Besides, there's club girls for that.
Joe choked Harper unconscious. Frank whipped/bottle insertion'd Serena out of commision for a month. Letting the dirty old bastards fuck the carnations is a business risk and liability, it can jeopardize the show. Besides, some mystery, rarity, and elusiveness keeps desire afire. Just look at Samson with Vera, Thomas with Rose, or many dirty old bastards with Kathy.
I don't understand why everyone wants to see the dirty old bastards fucking the main girls, but TD hasn't been actively avoiding it at all. A suitable scenario hasn't arrived yet. When it did, like the bukkake, it happened. This year's show doesn't have to be the same, but even going by the image of the previous Carnations for precedent, the audience fucking scene was in "Exhibition 3", so everything's consistent in terms of timeline.
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