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Simpgor

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Hi again!
While I agree with you that "Kath being a good girl" is an absurd notion, Chuck actually is a torturer at best, a murderer at worst! There are far too many hints towards this in the story so far and unfortunately you seem to have overlooked most of them, esp. the latest conversation between Chuck and Sophia.
Sophia knows about at least 3 women who Chuck broke and maimed for life, maybe even killed them. The killed part is conjecture so far, but when Otto and August have a chat in this update, August mentions his worries about Chuck and Kath, whose actions become worse all the time now and there is an insinuation that he had to "clean up" after Chuck already.
By the way, I theorise it is possible that Abel and Sophia knew one of Chuck´s victims personally and that is the reason they came to PC, for revenge. It is made clear in the update that their "official" reason for being at the Club is bogus. They have their own black ops lab, the drug testing at PC is unnecessary for them.
Another major hint at the abyss inside Chuck is his obvious disappointment that should he ever win against Sophia at Chess, he cannot leave any lasting(!) damage on her, since Sophia Lundgren is far too useful.
I'm not going to read that because it's you mentioning Sophia......

Not even going to sarcastically ask if chuck is allowing Sophia to live because he can't beat her at a God damn board game...... nope turret is correct as per usual
 

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I'm not going to read that because it's you mentioning Sophia......

Not even going to sarcastically ask if chuck is allowing Sophia to live because he can't beat her at a God damn board game...... nope turret is correct as per usual
Your post is a fitting reason for asking to get the "facepalm" reaction back for use, sorry to have to tell you this!
Ask another longtimer on this thread, e.g. ename or DirtyMario about Chuck and Sophia´s chat if you do not believe me. That conversation happens.
 

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Someone saying Kathleen is a good person: absurd!
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yes, they are just both whores and manipulators :)
but it looks like the developer is trying to justify them
 

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but it looks like the developer is trying to justify them
I hard disagree that dev are justifying them.... random people in the thread? for sure they are defending them. However most people can clearly see that they are not good people nor are they made out to be good people.
 
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I hard disagree that dev are justifying them.... random people in the thread? for sure they are defending them. However most people can clearly see that they are not good people nor are they made out to be good people.
perhaps everyone is trying to protect what is closer to them, kindred spirits
 

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I have a friend with views like yours, but he refused to play this game when he found out that we would have to listen to the story of some whores. I'm wondering why you agreed to play?
 

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Someone saying Kathleen is a good person: absurd!
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I hard disagree that dev are justifying them.... random people in the thread? for sure they are defending them. However most people can clearly see that they are not good people nor are they made out to be good people.
If you would take off your XL-size blinkers for just a second and read my earlier post about Chuck and why he is a torturer, maybe murderer then you see that it does not matter if Sophia is a good, neutral or bad person, the information gained from their conversation is! And this information makes it clear that Chuck broke and maimed at least 3 women for life, maybe even killed them, getting off on it!
 

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Hi again!
While I agree with you that "Kath being a good girl" is an absurd notion, Chuck actually is a torturer at best, a murderer at worst! There are far too many hints towards this in the story so far and unfortunately you seem to have overlooked most of them, esp. the latest conversation between Chuck and Sophia.
Sophia knows about at least 3 women who Chuck broke and maimed for life, maybe even killed them. The killed part is conjecture so far, but when Otto and August have a chat in this update, August mentions his worries about Chuck and Kath, whose actions become worse all the time now and there is an insinuation that he had to "clean up" after Chuck already.
By the way, I theorise it is possible that Abel and Sophia knew one of Chuck´s victims personally and that is the reason they came to PC, for revenge. It is made clear in the update that their "official" reason for being at the Club is bogus. They have their own black ops lab, the drug testing at PC is unnecessary for them.
Another major hint at the abyss inside Chuck is his obvious disappointment that should he ever win against Sophia at Chess, he cannot leave any lasting(!) damage on her, since Sophia Lundgren is far too useful.
I don't think Chuck tortures or murders. or at least not in the primary sense of the words. the game is all about kinks and fetishes, anything sexual. Warren is already the one that likes to inflict wounds during sex. Chuck doing the same does not make sense and is not necessary.
It's more likely that he enjoys breaking women mentally. with a bet that says if he ever wins, they let him do whatever he wants without limit. it's still a porn game, so he most likely breaks them through some kind of extreme sexual pleasure without giving them rest. he probably likes imprinting himself on his "victims" that way, and making them unable to enjoy sex normally ever again.
the "lasting damage" comment to Sophia, I think Chuck means Sophia is so formidable that she would recover from what he'd do to her. it's not about him sparing her. he gives a speech to MC about control. so he probably completely lets go of any control once he wins a bet. and that's probably why Sophia and Kathleen think the drug and perfume don't work on Chuck. I think it actually works, but he stores all the horniness and sexual frustration under his absolute control up until he lets it all go. the fact that they tested the perfume on him might make it worst for his next victim :D
 
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I don't think Chuck is a torturer or murderer. Not him personally at least. Lasting damage could "just" be mental damage.
Leaving lasting mental damage is also a type of torture, I am afraid. You do not need to use e.g. whips or an Iron Maiden to be a torturer.
I don't think Chuck tortures or murders. or at least not in the primary sense of the words. the game is all about kinks and fetishes, anything sexual. Warren is already the one that likes to inflict wounds during sex. Chuck doing the same does not make sense and is not necessary.
It's more likely that he enjoys breaking women mentally. with a bet that says if he ever wins, they let him do whatever he wants without limit. it's still a porn game, so he most likely breaks them through some kind of extreme sexual pleasure without giving them rest. he probably likes imprinting himself on his "victims" that way, and making them unable to enjoy sex normally ever again.
the "lasting damage" comment to Sophia, I think Chuck means Sophia is so formidable that she would recover from what he'd do to her. it's not about him sparing her. he gives a speech to MC about control. so he probably completely lets go of any control once he wins a bet. and that's probably why Sophia and Kathleen think the drug and perfume don't work on Chuck. I think it actually works, but he stores all the horniness and sexual frustration under his absolute control up until he lets it all go. the fact that they tested the perfume on him might make it worst for his next victim :D
While you have made an interesting theory, I fear it does not fit at alwith some other information we can gain. Dalia for instance, is totally afraid of Chuck, in a way she is not of Kath, August or Warren to name a few. August worries about about Kath and Chuck´s mental state and that their actions become worse all the time. Kath and Chuck share the same nasty disposition, they simply act them out differently. Chuck is disdainful of most people not sharing his views. It is heavily implied in the conversation between Chuck and Sophia that his victims are maimed for life or dead.(and you can maim or kill mentally, if nothing remains of the personality, just an empty hull) And this is not all we can learn about Chuck and that there is a darkness lurking behind his jovial facade.
Pardon me, but I find it very unlikely to think Chuck gives out some kind of extreme sexual pleasure since we gain so much information to the contrary.
 
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Finished the first playthrough, and OMG it was a ride!

the cliffhanger, though, I'm not sure how it can play out. Felicia already said that she couldn't picture her husband in the club, so it was already foreshadowing that he would, but at the same time it does not really seem consistent with the character. he sleeps around too, and he might have specific kinks and fetishes too, but he has an incredibly beautiful and hot wife that is super open sexually and is able to fulfill any fantasy he could have, even the cheating fantasy. so it is weird that he would not engage with her more than once every few months.
also, once he sees his wife on stage the next weekend, it could be instant divorce, or he could discover his wife "extended" sexual power? would he even try to get her if he understood that she could fulfill him? maybe he already knows she is an incredible sexual partner and he is actually afraid to face that challenge headon ? :D
and in the case of divorce, if you add on top the painting, it will be far too over the top for a "punishment", reaching that deeply into the life outside of the club for a carnation.
or maybe that's the sign that Kathleen is affected by the drug in that way, it makes her take completely idiotic risks and gamble the club's future just to witness more intense suffering and humiliation.
the consequences for Felicia as a character could be interesting as she is the only LI that is still attached to a guy (even if she doesn't like him, she still has to answer to him) opening the door to a true romance path, though it would put her back at the same level as the other two carnations' desperation to win, and she would lose quite a bit of what makes her unique in the competition.
Rose seems to be the last carnation that doesn't have any feelings for MC. she still wants to keep him at arms length, maybe. so she can cut everything about the club from her life once it is all over ? the final image of her last handjob scene had her with a super serious expression when she had a sweet and wholesome expression in the previous image. that thew me off because the meaning of it was not immediately obvious. so i guess it makes sense that she will be the focus of next update. something has to happen before she goes back to her apartment. :)
 

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Leaving lasting mental damage is also a type of torture, I am afraid. You do not need to use e.g. whips or an Iron Maiden to be a torturer.
While you have made an interesting theory, I fear it does not fit at alwith some other information we can gain. Dalia for instance, is totally afraid of Chuck, in a way she is not of Kath, August or Warren to name a few. August worries about about Kath and Chuck´s mental state and that their actions become worse all the time. Kath and Chuck share the same nasty disposition, they simply act them out differently. Chuck is disdainful of most people not sharing his views. It is heavily implied in the conversation between Chuck and Sophia that his victims are maimed for life or dead.(and you can maim or kill mentally, if nothing remains of the personality, just an empty hull) And this is not all we can learn about Chuck and that there is a darkness lurking behind his jovial facade.
Pardon me, but I find it very unlikely to think Chuck gives out some kind of extreme sexual pleasure since we gain so much information to the contrary.
you bring good points, and i would agree with you if it was any other medium. but it's an AVN, and it has avoided physical violence as much as it could up until now even if it is mentioned and suggested. it's all about letting go of all inhibition here, so I'll limit it to that for Chuck until we see anything substantial.
 
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you bring good points, and i would agree with you if it was any other medium. but it's an AVN, and it has avoided physical violence as much as it could up until now even if it is mentioned and suggested. it's all about letting go of all inhibition here, so I'll limit it to that for Chuck until we see anything substantial.
You mean you don't think the Club endings (confirmed to not be all evil) to be side with a physically abusive sadist, a gangster who prefers physical violence, or a murderer who enjoys physically torturing people? :HideThePain:
 

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You mean you don't think the Club endings (confirmed to not be all evil) to be side with a physically abusive sadist, a gangster who prefers physical violence, or a murderer who enjoys physically torturing people? :HideThePain:
I remember a scene where we were asked to put a girl who was suspended by her legs with her head in the water. Does this not count as physical violence, or maybe I misunderstood something?
 

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Finished the first playthrough, and OMG it was a ride!

the cliffhanger, though, I'm not sure how it can play out. Felicia already said that she couldn't picture her husband in the club, so it was already foreshadowing that he would, but at the same time it does not really seem consistent with the character. he sleeps around too, and he might have specific kinks and fetishes too, but he has an incredibly beautiful and hot wife that is super open sexually and is able to fulfill any fantasy he could have, even the cheating fantasy. so it is weird that he would not engage with her more than once every few months.
also, once he sees his wife on stage the next weekend, it could be instant divorce, or he could discover his wife "extended" sexual power? would he even try to get her if he understood that she could fulfill him? maybe he already knows she is an incredible sexual partner and he is actually afraid to face that challenge headon ? :D
and in the case of divorce, if you add on top the painting, it will be far too over the top for a "punishment", reaching that deeply into the life outside of the club for a carnation.
or maybe that's the sign that Kathleen is affected by the drug in that way, it makes her take completely idiotic risks and gamble the club's future just to witness more intense suffering and humiliation.
the consequences for Felicia as a character could be interesting as she is the only LI that is still attached to a guy (even if she doesn't like him, she still has to answer to him) opening the door to a true romance path, though it would put her back at the same level as the other two carnations' desperation to win, and she would lose quite a bit of what makes her unique in the competition.
Rose seems to be the last carnation that doesn't have any feelings for MC. she still wants to keep him at arms length, maybe. so she can cut everything about the club from her life once it is all over ? the final image of her last handjob scene had her with a super serious expression when she had a sweet and wholesome expression in the previous image. that thew me off because the meaning of it was not immediately obvious. so i guess it makes sense that she will be the focus of next update. something has to happen before she goes back to her apartment. :)

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I remember a scene where we were asked to put a girl who was suspended by her legs with her head in the water. Does this not count as physical violence, or maybe I misunderstood something?
That was Kath's gift for you and the housegirl knew what will happen.
 
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