VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Simpgor]

but this is a story with a good ending, I don’t know how it will be here).

It's been stated by dev that there will be 2 "endstates" Edwin wanting to stay at the club; or Edwin trying to leave the club. Each of those states will have "bad" ends (that contain lore/story bits it won't just be WRONG CHOICE LOL RELOAD) and that both will be able to have nuance (staying at the club won't mean you are evil nor will leaving the club mean you are a cuck white knight).

I don't think you will ever be "in the mood for this game" the further you go along the louder and louder the questions and worries in your head will get.

 

[outbalancing]

It's been stated by dev that there will be 2 "endstates" Edwin wanting to stay at the club; or Edwin trying to leave the club. Each of those states will have "bad" ends (that contain lore/story bits it won't just be WRONG CHOICE LOL RELOAD) and that both will be able to have nuance (staying at the club won't mean you are evil nor will leaving the club mean you are a cuck white knight).

I don't think you will ever be "in the mood for this game" the further you go along the louder and louder the questions and worries in your head will get.

As I understand it, nothing good happens to almost all of the girls from the club, poor Rosalid whimper whimper, honestly it’s a shame, but okay, can you tell me the fate of Mona and Hana? Can I have a normal relationship with THEM? Because they are the ones I really liked for now.

 

[HiP1]

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Spoiler: A philanthropist offering an option to those seeking one.

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Spoiler: Testing a drug that could be leveraged to fund cures and treatments.

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Spoiler: A leader, not just a boss.

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Spoiler: A tragic heroine whose mother gave dolls to her sister instead of her.

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Spoiler: One who tragically lost friends in her youth for reasons beyond her.

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Spoiler: One stuck in a marriage with an old non-Edwin Judge.

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Spoiler: Amidst peers who don't respect her or acknowledge her as an equal.

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Spoiler: And crass, crude company that's beneath her.

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Spoiler: Dwells lonely in a world of her own creation.

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Spoiler: Until she finds a more befitting, charming young man.

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Spoiler: Who she understands, and supports.

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Spoiler: Who supports her.

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Spoiler: In a blossoming romance.

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Context is irrelevant.

that's a very elaborate way to say she is grooming a young man that tends to overthink, and is using him to her best interest in the politics of the business

 

[Elduriel]

As I understand it, nothing good happens to almost all of the girls from the club, poor Rosalid whimper whimper, honestly it’s a shame, but okay, can you tell me the fate of Mona and Hana? Can I have a normal relationship with THEM? Because they are the ones I really liked for now.

Hana could go either way, she is being roped further into the club stuff, who knows how deep she will get into it, for now it's rally surface level. Mina is mostly independent from the club, but you are not a proper relationship with her, you are just fucking.

 

[Simpgor]

As I understand it, nothing good happens to almost all of the girls from the club, poor Rosalid whimper whimper, honestly it’s a shame, but okay, can you tell me the fate of Mona and Hana? Can I have a normal relationship with THEM? Because they are the ones I really liked for now.

Hana could go either way, she is being roped further into the club stuff, who knows how deep she will get into it, for now it's rally surface level. Mina is mostly independent from the club, but you are not a proper relationship with her, you are just fucking.

Hana will not end up on the same level as the carnations (she wont be a contestant in pale carnations 2 electric (shock) boogaloo (maybe in a bad end), at the worst she could end up as her father (puts business first, doesn't care about the girls beyond can they make money, willing to kill people for her advantage etc) but she wont become a mixture of kathleen and august either (shes not sadistic shes much more of a masochist but even then her masochism is not as deeply rooted as kathleens sadism).

Mina in this case is a true wildcard. She has similar struggles to Edwin (feeling like a normal "correct" human) and wants to explore the more degenerate side of her sexuality, as well as has multiple connections (Edwin/Ian/Felica) to the club if he was to worry about one of them (in the ntr sense of the word worry) Mina is way way way way more likely to trigger them.

 

[Zakalwe76]

It's been stated by dev that there will be 2 "endstates" Edwin wanting to stay at the club; or Edwin trying to leave the club. Each of those states will have "bad" ends (that contain lore/story bits it won't just be WRONG CHOICE LOL RELOAD) and that both will be able to have nuance (staying at the club won't mean you are evil nor will leaving the club mean you are a cuck white knight).

I don't think you will ever be "in the mood for this game" the further you go along the louder and louder the questions and worries in your head will get.

it is very complicated game for perception. i still can't get into the write mood to continue playing it. but it is fascinating still

 

[outbalancing]

Hana will not end up on the same level as the carnations (she wont be a contestant in pale carnations 2 electric (shock) boogaloo (maybe in a bad end), at the worst she could end up as her father (puts business first, doesn't care about the girls beyond can they make money, willing to kill people for her advantage etc) but she wont become a mixture of kathleen and august either (shes not sadistic shes much more of a masochist but even then her masochism is not as deeply rooted as kathleens sadism).

Mina in this case is a true wildcard. She has similar struggles to Edwin (feeling like a normal "correct" human) and wants to explore the more degenerate side of her sexuality, as well as has multiple connections (Edwin/Ian/Felica) to the club if he was to worry about one of them (in the ntr sense of the word worry) Mina is way way way way more likely to trigger them.

I’m just wondering why the Romance tag is here??? with whom??? how???)))) Well, with Mina, I’m only interested in relationships with her or yuri, but in the event that they include me too)) Her relationship with I’m definitely not interested in Ian, I already wrote the reason)))) Well, I’m not very familiar with Hana yet, but I really liked her attitude towards the club)))) Her appearance is very reminiscent of Mina, only dark, I really liked it. Yes, and the character corresponds to the appearance, very cool, it seems)))

 

[HiP1]

As I understand it, nothing good happens to almost all of the girls from the club, poor Rosalid whimper whimper, honestly it’s a shame, but okay, can you tell me the fate of Mona and Hana? Can I have a normal relationship with THEM? Because they are the ones I really liked for now.

arguably something good DOES happen to the girls : the MC
Hana yes. Mina "almost" yes, but it's basically the same, it's just a label thing.

 

[Simpgor]

I’m just wondering why the Romance tag is here??? with whom??? how???)))) Well, with Mina, I’m only interested in relationships with her or yuri, but in the event that they include me too)) Her relationship with I’m definitely not interested in Ian, I already wrote the reason)))) Well, I’m not very familiar with Hana yet, but I really liked her attitude towards the club)))) Her appearance is very reminiscent of Mina, only dark, I really liked it. Yes, and the character corresponds to the appearance, very cool, it seems)))

Did you look at what this site defines romance tag as.... or are you trying to define romance as what you personally define it as? (hint its the second one). Ive said it everyway im going too.... you personally will not enjoy a LARGE portion of the content in the game, the game is only going to ESCALATE from where we are now (that you already would not like), I appropriate you being above the usual ntr crowd but this has ran its course

 

[outbalancing]

Did you look at what this site defines romance tag as.... or are you trying to define romance as what you personally define it as? (hint its the second one). Ive said it everyway im going too.... you personally will not enjoy a LARGE portion of the content in the game, the game is only going to ESCALATE from where we are now (that you already would not like), I appropriate you being above the usual ntr crowd but this has ran its course

just curious, thanks to you who answered my questions, I already realized that the game is not quite what I expected, so I’m already ready to play))) but for now I’m too lazy to delve into the complex plot, and I don’t know about you, I am not always drawn only to good or dirty games, depending on my mood.

 

[Turret]

God damn I've been gone a minute and now:
Chuck is a murderer, Kathleen is a good girl, what other drug fueled ideas have I missed?

I'm sure they've already been shit on but since I missed it earlier. Why would chuck shit where he eats? He not only "runs" an illegal brothel but it's not a place for him to trap women so that he can TORTUREMURDER them to DEATH?!?! (Ignore the only girl we know to have gone missing is very very likely to be tied into Kathleen and her HUMAN EXPERIMENTS), ignoring the fact that Chuck is dangerous because he has his desires more or less completely under control (Sophia says Chuck is more or less the only person to be "immune" to her drug), ignoring the fact that the brothel he uses to get women (to murdertorture) has had an actual God damn movie star take part in it (we see her on USB Edwin watches at start and on a movie poster more recently).

Thankfully I don't need to type out nearly as much to prove the Kathleen idea is wrong:

She says on multiple occasions she is a bad person, she enjoys being a bad person, she does not want to be with good person (like she lived the earlier part of her life), she's not playing 4-D chess to try to beat the other owners (when she tries to get Edwin on her side) nor is she trying to marry the kid she's trying to get Edwin to embrace his darker urges (like she did).

Hi again!
While I agree with you that "Kath being a good girl" is an absurd notion, Chuck actually is a torturer at best, a murderer at worst! There are far too many hints towards this in the story so far and unfortunately you seem to have overlooked most of them, esp. the latest conversation between Chuck and Sophia.
Sophia knows about at least 3 women who Chuck broke and maimed for life, maybe even killed them. The killed part is conjecture so far, but when Otto and August have a chat in this update, August mentions his worries about Chuck and Kath, whose actions become worse all the time now and there is an insinuation that he had to "clean up" after Chuck already.
By the way, I theorise it is possible that Abel and Sophia knew one of Chuck´s victims personally and that is the reason they came to PC, for revenge. It is made clear in the update that their "official" reason for being at the Club is bogus. They have their own black ops lab, the drug testing at PC is unnecessary for them.
Another major hint at the abyss inside Chuck is his obvious disappointment that should he ever win against Sophia at Chess, he cannot leave any lasting(!) damage on her, since Sophia Lundgren is far too useful.

 

[Simpgor]

Hi again!
While I agree with you that "Kath being a good girl" is an absurd notion, Chuck actually is a torturer at best, a murderer at worst! There are far too many hints towards this in the story so far and unfortunately you seem to have overlooked most of them, esp. the latest conversation between Chuck and Sophia.
Sophia knows about at least 3 women who Chuck broke and maimed for life, maybe even killed them. The killed part is conjecture so far, but when Otto and August have a chat in this update, August mentions his worries about Chuck and Kath, whose actions become worse all the time now and there is an insinuation that he had to "clean up" after Chuck already.
By the way, I theorise it is possible that Abel and Sophia knew one of Chuck´s victims personally and that is the reason they came to PC, for revenge. It is made clear in the update that their "official" reason for being at the Club is bogus. They have their own black ops lab, the drug testing at PC is unnecessary for them.
Another major hint at the abyss inside Chuck is his obvious disappointment that should he ever win against Sophia at Chess, he cannot leave any lasting(!) damage on her, since Sophia Lundgren is far too useful.

I'm not going to read that because it's you mentioning Sophia......

Not even going to sarcastically ask if chuck is allowing Sophia to live because he can't beat her at a God damn board game...... nope turret is correct as per usual

 

[Turret]

I'm not going to read that because it's you mentioning Sophia......

Not even going to sarcastically ask if chuck is allowing Sophia to live because he can't beat her at a God damn board game...... nope turret is correct as per usual

Your post is a fitting reason for asking to get the "facepalm" reaction back for use, sorry to have to tell you this!
Ask another longtimer on this thread, e.g. ename or DirtyMario about Chuck and Sophia´s chat if you do not believe me. That conversation happens.

 

[Simpgor]

Someone saying Kathleen is a good person: absurd!
someone saying Sophia is a good person: let me type a dissertations worth of text explaining how that is correct

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[Ass prefer]

Someone saying Kathleen is a good person: absurd!
someone saying Sophia is a good person: let me type a dissertations worth of text explaining how that is correct

Spoiler: "unrelated"

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yes, they are just both whores and manipulators
but it looks like the developer is trying to justify them

 

[Simpgor]

but it looks like the developer is trying to justify them

I hard disagree that dev are justifying them.... random people in the thread? for sure they are defending them. However most people can clearly see that they are not good people nor are they made out to be good people.

 

[Flowing Thought]

Is Sophia a good person? No, probably not. Do I love her anyway? Absolutely. She can murder Edwin if she wants, just fuck him first.

 

[Ass prefer]

I hard disagree that dev are justifying them.... random people in the thread? for sure they are defending them. However most people can clearly see that they are not good people nor are they made out to be good people.

perhaps everyone is trying to protect what is closer to them, kindred spirits

 

[Simpgor]

Is Sophia a good person? No, probably not. Do I love her anyway? Absolutely. She can murder Edwin if she wants, just fuck him first.

Like I said awhile ago "whats a little bit of nonconsensual experimental injection between friends"

 

[Ass prefer]

Someone saying Kathleen is a good person: absurd!
someone saying Sophia is a good person: let me type a dissertations worth of text explaining how that is correct

Spoiler: "unrelated"

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I have a friend with views like yours, but he refused to play this game when he found out that we would have to listen to the story of some whores. I'm wondering why you agreed to play?