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labmouseblues

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the fact that she voluntarily does this does not mean that it has ceased to be violence in principle
Is she does it voluntarily, then it cannot, by any meaningful standard, be considered violence.

Whether she does it voluntarily is another matter altogether.
 

MAGO-DAG

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I remember a scene where we were asked to put a girl who was suspended by her legs with her head in the water. Does this not count as physical violence, or maybe I misunderstood something?
I have nothing against your comment. Purely theoretically, such things are not violence, because this is a brothel, and inside the brothel there is perversion, and if we go further inside perverted hobbies, then there are also hard sexual cases, but what does that mean? this is bdsm, if you have already entered the threshold of a brothel and are faced with bdsm-style humiliation, is there any point in complaining that “this is violence”? because you have already stepped down this path... everyone likes hard sex and all sorts of bullshit... peace for everyone! :coffee: :HideThePain:
 

Ass prefer

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I have nothing against your comment. Purely theoretically, such things are not violence, because this is a brothel, and inside the brothel there is perversion, and if we go further inside perverted hobbies, then there are also hard sexual cases, but what does that mean? this is bdsm, if you have already entered the threshold of a brothel and are faced with bdsm-style humiliation, is there any point in complaining that “this is violence”? because you have already stepped down this path... everyone likes hard sex and all sorts of bullshit... peace for everyone! :coffee: :HideThePain:
Pashol nahui 4ort ;)
 

ename144

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You mean you don't think the Club endings (confirmed to not be all evil) to be side with a physically abusive sadist, a gangster who prefers physical violence, or a murderer who enjoys physically torturing people? :HideThePain:
Just because the MC winds up sticking with the Club doesn't necessarily mean he's also sticking with the current owners or their various agendas. It seems very likely the Club is going to be changing soon, one way or the other.

That said, I agree that Chuck doesn't seem like the sort to resort to something as crude as physical violence, much less murder. Turret may think Chuck looks heartbroken that he's not allowed to inflict permanent harm on Sophia, but I see no sign of that. To me, he seems perfectly fine with the situation and is mentioning it purely to taunt Sophia about how her nominal immunity won't actually protect her from whatever Chuck has in mind.
 

Ungawa

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I'm going to wait to weigh in on the faction battles but that's quite important in trying to decide a future...

And I do have a view of Chuck that his background is very dark which gives him a LOT to hide behind his mask while Kathleen is much more upfront about what she does with her Diet Coke of EEEEVIL...

Almost finished unlocking while I'm doing the Rosalind Deal again... *sigh* (Can't believe I saved over that last time...)
 
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Turret

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Just because the MC winds up sticking with the Club doesn't necessarily mean he's also sticking with the current owners or their various agendas. It seems very likely the Club is going to be changing soon, one way or the other.
Exactly! By the currently available information we have, from the current leaders only and maybe(!) August has a chance to remain in a leadership position after the big bang if we play a goodish, even neutral, Edwin. Since for August PC is a business, as long as the good money comes in, he is ok with the situation.
And the day of change will come sooner than later! Kath has made the starting move of her powerplay with inviting Elias. I am sure she has NOT informed Chuck and August about this, because they would veto it for different reasons, but veto it.
We also know that Abel and Sophia are waiting to make their own move, since these two have plans of their own with what should happen at PC.

That said, I agree that Chuck doesn't seem like the sort to resort to something as crude as physical violence, much less murder. Turret may think Chuck looks heartbroken that he's not allowed to inflict permanent harm on Sophia, but I see no sign of that. To me, he seems perfectly fine with the situation and is mentioning it purely to taunt Sophia about how her nominal immunity won't actually protect her from whatever Chuck has in mind.
I agree that Chuck is taunting or trying to taunt Sophia here, but I also think he is disappointed (not heartbroken that is too strong) he cannot leave lasting harm. It is the combination of the info we have currently why I think Chuck can be quite "hands on" if he wants to. While he enjoys the mental aspects more, the pysical is not unimportant. Chuck is very much about control and loss of control!
 

labmouseblues

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Okay, I'm done catching up. Last time I played was... the run-up to the second exhibition, I think? Thereabouts.

It's a pretty big chunk of content, and I can't be bothered to organize all my thoughts right now, much less type them out, so I'll just comment on a couple of personal high points.

Rosa - Didn't care for her before playing this portion of the game at all. Neither sexually, nor as a character. A couple scenes worth of interactions with the MC and Ian turned her from what I felt was a pretty flat trope into a character I actually want to know more about. Still don't want to fuck my mom.

Fel - I liked her before, and I like her even more now. Her personal moments were predictable in this, but that's because she was very well set up as a character beforehand. And even when predictable, they still felt genuine and heartfelt. It's easy to turn moments of emotional vulnerability into self masturbatory experience for the player, Bioware style, where the secondary character starts to exist solely for the protagonist to solve all their problems simply by existing. But Fel remains her own person throughout the sequence. Props for that.

The threesome with blondie was really, really weird, in a positive way. I might write more on that later.

Veronica - yeah, probably the high point of the update for me. I was predisposed to like her before, but the date sequence was... something else. Discovering what I can only describe as a melancholic old soul right from a Conrad novel underneath an attack dog personality she was projecting before was a bit of an experience, especially since I can personally relate to those late night moments of crystal clarity fuelled by alcohol, exhaustion and the presence of someone who seem to just know you. It's a heady combination that can turn anyone into a poet and a priest. The really hot sex didn't hurt either. Most of my thoughts relating to this sequence aren't properly structured, but I do know one thing. I really fucking liked it.

There's a bunch of other neat stuff - the big picture plot with the labs, Chuck's development, the missing kid. I liked it all, but I'm sure it's been talked to death already so I'll skip those parts.
 

HiP1

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being Hana's boyfriend and confidente, and Ian's best friend, and being respected by all the house girls, MC could end up being the de facto leader and manager of the club if the 3 leaders are wiped out by Van Doren + Ford. he has the perfect balance of caring and detached to make it work. he is still lacking the respect of most of the club patrons, right now. but that could change by the end of the exhibition.
 
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