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[Simpgor]

I figured this week would be safe to take my eye off the ball and spend some time in the real world. Well, turns out I was wrong!

You fool! Life never comes before posting dev logs for a porn game!

Been following this thread for a while and have not seen the devs explicitly clarify this beyond stating that there will be nothing with Edwin. Can you quote the message confirming this?

Like you said obviously no incest and from what I looked through (search "victoria by TD1900"):

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make it seem like she is unlikely to get any sort of scene beyond more flashbacks perhaps, the first post is outright confirmation that she wont be involved in the club, while the second kind of "loses steam" the more "actual sex scenes" she gets. Keep in mind this was written in 2021 when edwin was in more need of a "guiding hand" whereas now we are quickly approaching the endgame.
Sure she could have (multiple) scenes and still be a "moral anchor" but they arent necessary for her to be compared/contrasted with Rose, then you have the fun meta reasons why a scene with her is unlikely. Since she wont be involved with the club (or the club involved with her) devs would probably have to write/"make" new character for a scene that a good portion (i assume) wouldn't want to see and realistically only people with the "voyeur" trait should even see

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

make it seem like she is unlikely to get any sort of scene beyond more flashbacks perhaps, the first post is outright confirmation that she wont be involved in the club

Looking at what the first comment was in response to makes it seem like Victoria's character development and relationship status may play a part in some happy endings for her. As far as I can tell the devs have been intentionally unclear here and elsewhere as opposed to the messages Otto referenced.

 

[Simpgor]

Looking at what the first comment was in response to makes it seem like Victoria's character development and relationship status may play a part in some happy endings for her. As far as I can tell the devs have been intentionally unclear here and elsewhere as opposed to the messages Otto referenced.

I could have missed a post as i didnt read all of them but Id say I agree with Otto, especially considering she could be happy while still being single.... hell a happy ending for Victoria could just be Edwin coming over to dinner with his goth gf, his rich blonde sugar momma, his blond model sexfriend, his red head muscle mommy, multiple random escorts.....and i guess rose is there too (without being involved in the clubs sketchy shit)

 

[Ottoeight]

Looking at what the first comment was in response to makes it seem like Victoria's character development and relationship status may play a part in some happy endings for her. As far as I can tell the devs have been intentionally unclear here and elsewhere as opposed to the messages Otto referenced.

Well NO, they were damn crystal clear on it.

As I just wrote, you are free to believe in anything you want believe in.

Everybody on this thread knows who the Authors are. Just search through it and read what they wrote: they always tell interesting things about their work.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

I could have missed a post as i didnt read all of them but Id say I agree with Otto

Improbable is very different from impossible. Unless I see where the devs clearly state Victoria won't have a single scene in the future then it's kinda difficult to agree.

Just search through it and read what they wrote: they always tell interesting things about their work.

You have seen the messages, I haven't. Much simpler to show that something exists than doesn't.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

There's been too much about Ian lately... and the more talk about Ian, the more I want to be careful with him. although in my playthrough I don't trust him that much, I mean it in a way.

many people talk about Victoria and Ian, saying they might have something. the fact that they are close was noticeable from the middle of the game, but something cannot happen between them, the only thing that can be is that Ian is really in love with his friend’s mother. Their only secret may be that they somehow inherently try to protect Edwin, but I still don’t believe him 100%, because there is something strange about him and it’s not without reason that he and Chuck lured Edwin to the club, I would be surprised if Chuck will take advantage of this and show Victoria where her son works, or Ian himself will unexpectedly reveal Edwin's entire case if he gets jealous

I haven’t played the latest update yet, due to lack of time, but I’ll still be careful with Ian... don’t forget if he finds out who this secret lover of Mina is, then Ian will have even more reasons to be get angry (even if she’s no longer his girlfriend)

 

[Simpgor]

Improbable is very different from impossible. Unless I see where the devs clearly state Victoria won't have a single scene in the future then it's kinda difficult to agree.

Right now there is not a male in the game who she could have sex with that isn't involved in the club..... (excluding unamed background characters), I think we both agree the "point" isn't just her getting some dick so they would need to introduce a new (decent) male character for there to be any "potential" for a "happy ending" and like I said how would Edwin (the player) even see that sex scene? Randomly showing up the mom's house door unlocked her moaning loud enough for the whole street to hear?

because there is something strange about him and it’s not without reason that he and Chuck lured Edwin to the club, I would be surprised if Chuck will take advantage of this and show Victoria where her son works, or Ian himself will unexpectedly reveal Edwin's entire case if he gets jealous



I haven’t played the latest update yet, due to lack of time, but I’ll still be careful with Ian... don’t forget if he finds out who this secret lover of Mina is, then Ian will have even more reasons to be get angry (even if she’s no longer his girlfriend)

.....no sorry but just no.

Ian "lured" Edwin to the club because his other friend stopped working there, Edwin was his ONLY friend in childhood, Ian knows his friend his trying med school and could use the money.
Chuck "lured" Edwin in because he is "family" (tells this to karhleen), to have Ian's back, and to be able to fully express himself as a "young man" because Chuck wasn't able too

Chuck gains NOTHING from blackmailing Edwin....I mean come on he was a weapons manufacturer and has had those connections for decades (the entire time he has known Victoria) but waited a decade to MAYBE hire her son (Edwin could say lol no) so he could......do what? Have sex with her? It took him a fucking decade to have sex with someone who was doing amateur porn to keep her house? That makes him look so incompetent and pathetic (which makes the club less threatening)

Ian is excited as we've ever seen him when Edwin agrees to watching him and his maid have sex, Ian DEMANDS a high five while double teaming rose, he literally can't say "dick" or "cunt" in front of Victoria but he's going to be able to somehow reveal and provide evidence for his best friend (borderline gay for) is working at a brothel while somehow hiding the fact that he and Chuck are also there?

Then you have the fact that Ian (under "self reflection") knows that he fucked up with Mina, was openly cheating on her, and involved Edwin in covering up his cheating on more than one occasion.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

no sorry but just no.

Ian "lured" Edwin to the club because his other friend stopped working there, Edwin was his ONLY friend in childhood, Ian knows his friend his trying med school and could use the money.
Chuck "lured" Edwin in because he is "family" (tells this to karhleen), to have Ian's back, and to be able to fully express himself as a "young man" because Chuck wasn't able too

Chuck gains NOTHING from blackmailing Edwin....I mean come on he was a weapons manufacturer and has had those connections for decades (the entire time he has known Victoria) but waited a decade to MAYBE hire her son (Edwin could say lol no) so he could......do what? Have sex with her? It took him a fucking decade to have sex with someone who was doing amateur porn to keep her house? That makes him look so incompetent and pathetic (which makes the club less threatening)

Ian is excited as we've ever seen him when Edwin agrees to watching him and his maid have sex, Ian DEMANDS a high five while double teaming rose, he literally can't say "dick" or "cunt" in front of Victoria but he's going to be able to somehow reveal and provide evidence for his best friend (borderline gay for) is working at a brothel while somehow hiding the fact that he and Chuck are also there?

Then you have the fact that Ian (under "self reflection") knows that he fucked him with Mina, was openly cheating on her, and involved Edwin in covering up his cheating on more than one occasion.

I will still remain with my opinion. It is better to be careful with a friend than with an enemy. even if they are close.

As I said, Chuck and Ian have their own plans and plans connected to the past from Chuck, if you remember who Victoria used to work with. Ian may protect Edwin, but Chuck? Still, the story looks too dangerous for such young guys. Therefore, everyone will remain with their own opinion. I like Edwin and Ian's friendship, but something will happen so we have to be careful

 

[Simpgor]

I will still remain with my opinion. It is better to be careful with a friend than with an enemy. even if they are close.

As I said, Chuck and Ian have their own plans and plans connected to the past from Chuck, if you remember who Victoria used to work with. Ian may protect Edwin, but Chuck? Still, the story looks too dangerous for such young guys. Therefore, everyone will remain with their own opinion. I like Edwin and Ian's friendship, but something will happen so we have to be careful

Who Victoria used to work with? Unless you have access to unreleased content there is no way in fuck that you know "who she used to work with" beyond "some sketch dudes doing porn"
You say "oh we have to keep our opinions" but then say "something WILL happen"....so you don't want others to keep their opinions while you get to keep your own. Sorry for wasting your time but at least I am now certain nothing will be lost.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Who Victoria used to work with? Unless you have access to unreleased content there is no way in fuck that you know "who she used to work with" beyond "some sketch dudes doing porn"
You say "oh we have to keep our opinions" but then say "something WILL happen"....so you don't want others to keep their opinions while you get to keep your own. Sorry for wasting your time but at least I am now certain nothing will be lost.

Who Victoria worked is known to some people besides her son, even the evil witch easily found out about Victoria's past, do you really think Chuck doesn't know about Victoria's past? I didn’t say anything against your opinion, you yourself answered as if you were trying to prove something to me. I just expressed my opinion and what to expect in the future in my opinion... I’m not saying it will be 100%, I just wrote what I feel from the plot, so there’s no point in arguing. everyone has the right to play as you want and protect Ian or Chuck... as well as not protect them... but in my case I will be on the alert, this is a game, and it is designed so as to be in tension or enjoy and share opinions)) )

 

[Simpgor]

Who Victoria worked is known to some people besides her son, even the evil witch easily found out about Victoria's past, do you really think Chuck doesn't know about Victoria's past? I didn’t say anything against your opinion, you yourself answered as if you were trying to prove something to me. I just expressed my opinion and what to expect in the future in my opinion... I’m not saying it will be 100%, I just wrote what I feel from the plot, so there’s no point in arguing. everyone has the right to play as you want and protect Ian or Chuck... as well as not protect them... but in my case I will be on the alert, this is a game, and it is designed so as to be in tension or enjoy and share opinions)) )

Hana knows she did porn too.

"Their only secret may be that they somehow inherently try to protect Edwin, but I still don’t believe her 100%, because there is something strange about her and it’s not without reason that her and August lured Edwin to the club, I would be surprised if Hana will take advantage of this and show Victoria where her son works, or Hana herself will unexpectedly reveal Edwin's entire case if she gets jealous"

Hana and Ian are THE EXACT SAME THREAT level they have the same info (mom did porn/Edwin at brothel) they have the same connections (parent runs the brothel), and unlike Ian WHO HAS KNOWN EDWIN FOR A DEACDE Hana met him like 2 months ago.

Or are you really saying Ian is a threat because he has a dick and Hana isn't because she has a vagina?

Perhaps it's a language barrier issue but you saying "we NEED to be careful something WILL happen" makes it sound like you are disregarding everyone who thinks that we don't NEED to worry. Then you have the issue of you theorizing when you openly admit to not having played the most recent chapter..... which features multiple discussions with Ian and or Chuck

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Perhaps it's a language barrier issue but you saying "we NEED to be careful something WILL happen" makes it sound like you are disregarding everyone who thinks that we don't NEED to worry. Then you have the issue of you theorizing when you openly admit to not having played the most recent chapter..... which features multiple discussions with Ian and or Chuck

So I already answered that I haven’t played the latest update. There is not always enough time for games if you know what I mean. but I suspect what to expect and that’s why I said should be on guard... there are no good people or good things in a brothel, this is a business, and even more so a dangerous business where a young boy has fallen into corruption, he needs to first of all trust himself with others to be carefully.

I don't think Hana is doing anything against Edwin or caring where his mother or her father worked. She is currently the only one who supports Edwin well, even if you are not on her path, I still believe in her. like I said, it's a brothel, nothing is impossible, but Hana doesn't do stupid things like you said because she works there too

 

[MoBy28]

They feel the vibe they want to feel no matter what.

The Authors came here and CLEARLY TOLD more than once that Victoria will have NO affair and she won't have sex with ANYONE. S H E W I L L N O T.

Everybody is free to believe in whatever they want to believe even it doesn't make sense at all as long as they stop busting our balls, because our balls simply had enough of it and they need medical treatment now.

OK so first off no need to get your panties in a wad. I only recently started following this game a month or 2 ago. Secondly if you pay attention to my post you quoted I used past tense has/was. Does this mean they will or did have sex? NO it means it could have happened in the past. Does Ian have a crush on his BF's mom? Kinda seems like it but then again I think Edwin had/has a crush on Ian's mom as well does this mean sex happens? Not to my knowledge. Victoria seems like she knows Ian has a thing for her but also would not act on it because she kind of sees him as a second son. Maybe he confessed in the past and she set him straight about it. I honestly don't know because it's not my game. We all know Ian has a thing for older women, Rosie and the maid are proof of that. Doesn't mean anything will happen but with him being the way he is, he would probably still try. The vibe I got was he was trying to flirt with her but she seemed more amused than anything.

Now for the entire branch off of her being involved with the club. Not even sure how that got started TBH. Even if she has sex with Ian (not saying she does), doesn't mean she is involved with the club. Is Ian the club? If just having sex with someone from the club makes you involved with the club then Mina who still doesn't know about the club as far as we know, is involved since she has had sex with Ian and Edwin and possibly Felicia depending on paths taken.


"There's been too much about Ian lately... and the more talk about Ian, the more I want to be careful with him. although in my playthrough I don't trust him that much, I mean it in a way.

many people talk about Victoria and Ian, saying they might have something. the fact that they are close was noticeable from the middle of the game, but something cannot happen between them, the only thing that can be is that Ian is really in love with his friend’s mother. Their only secret may be that they somehow inherently try to protect Edwin, but I still don’t believe him 100%, because there is something strange about him and it’s not without reason that he and Chuck lured Edwin to the club, I would be surprised if Chuck will take advantage of this and show Victoria where her son works, or Ian himself will unexpectedly reveal Edwin's entire case if he gets jealous.

I haven’t played the latest update yet, due to lack of time, but I’ll still be careful with Ian... don’t forget if he finds out who this secret lover of Mina is, then Ian will have even more reasons to be get angry (even if she’s no longer his girlfriend)."


I don't see Ian going to Victoria about the club since honestly it would probably hurt her and he seems to care about her. I could however see him trying to mess things up with Hana or even just with the job in general for revenge, but not involving Victoria. The way the Bromance has kinda went especially after the Rosie event and possibly the Felicia event in the beginning, I could see him being ok with Edwin and Mina. He knows Edwin is a decent guy and Mina is a good person so he might be ok with it since he realizes HE was the one who messed the relationship up. Plus I think he's really getting into the maid since he seems to be with her ALOT more now. Only time will tell how things go and we can only speculate, BUT I really don't see him doing anything that would hurt Victoria. Kat on the other hand....

On a different note I'd like to see Ian trying something with Veronica. I just know she'd break him lol.

 

[Ottoeight]

OK so first off no need to get your panties in a wad. I only recently started following this game a month or 2 ago. Secondly if you pay attention to my post you quoted I used past tense has/was. Does this mean they will or did have sex? NO it means it could have happened in the past. Does Ian have a crush on his BF's mom? Kinda seems like it but then again I think Edwin had/has a crush on Ian's mom as well does this mean sex happens? Not to my knowledge. Victoria seems like she knows Ian has a thing for her but also would not act on it because she kind of sees him as a second son. Maybe he confessed in the past and she set him straight about it. I honestly don't know because it's not my game. We all know Ian has a thing for older women, Rosie and the maid are proof of that. Doesn't mean anything will happen but with him being the way he is, he would probably still try. The vibe I got was he was trying to flirt with her but she seemed more amused than anything.

Now for the entire branch off of her being involved with the club. Not even sure how that got started TBH. Even if she has sex with Ian (not saying she does), doesn't mean she is involved with the club. Is Ian the club? If just having sex with someone from the club makes you involved with the club then Mina who still doesn't know about the club as far as we know, is involved since she has had sex with Ian and Edwin and possibly Felicia depending on paths taken.

Once again, you feel the vibe that you want to feel, no matter what the characters say, no matter how they act, no matter what happens, no matter what the story is about.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

Right now there is not a male in the game who she could have sex with that isn't involved in the club..... (excluding unamed background characters), I think we both agree the "point" isn't just her getting some dick so they would need to introduce a new (decent) male character for there to be any "potential" for a "happy ending" and like I said how would Edwin (the player) even see that sex scene? Randomly showing up the mom's house door unlocked her moaning loud enough for the whole street to hear?

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[N024]

Truth be told, The People might not all like this, but if there aren't endings where either/or Mina and Hana don't end up as Carnations, I'd be shocked.

 

[PapaChulo]

I wonder if this at the beginning of the game will mean anything later on?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Let's nip this in the bud.
By the N time: no there won't be any incest in this game.

 

[MoBy28]

Let's nip this in the bud.
By the N time: no there won't be any incest in this game.

Why is it anytime someone mentions Victoria people always jump to the incest conclusion. Why can't she be happy without it having to be with her son? Maybe her and Rosie would hang out after the competition since they have similiar experiences "providing" for their kids? I really don't see her hanging out with any of the other milfs we've met so far. They could go clubbing and drive all the young guys mad crazy

 

[lnppo]

Let's nip this in the bud.
By the N time: no there won't be any incest in this game.

Still a wild decision to make the hottest girl in the game who the MC regularly watches porn of and interacts with not a love interest.