You can see it as soon as the game prologue -- there's option to get Felicia kiss Mina during the card game at Ian's place. It's pretty impossible to miss it there, i think.
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Yeah I remember that part now. This hint can also be missed tho. Seems like the dev was putting a neon sign saying "Mina can be bi" if you bring her to the gym.You can see it as soon as the game prologue -- there's option to get Felicia kiss Mina during the card game at Ian's place. It's pretty impossible to miss it there, i think.
Is this the last chance to get bi points for her before she talks about her bucket list? Does she mention other girls if you missed all the opportunities earlier?
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This card game event is not canon, if you fuck Felicia in the club's restroom you don't get it.You can see it as soon as the game prologue -- there's option to get Felicia kiss Mina during the card game at Ian's place. It's pretty impossible to miss it there, i think.
She has "bi" points in her character sheet though.
If you don't get enough bi points, then she doesn't say she want a FFM threesome, only a FMM. Not many instances to get those points, and you can miss them because they are not canon. In my main PT I only got 2 bi points even though I'd like her to have more.
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How inappropriate it is to refuse Rosalind at the beginning.
Because she came to a brothel, obviously she will be fucked here, but she still doesn't like that the interview will be held through sex.
And it's inappropriate to refuse to fuck her because we're going to work here too and it's our job to fuck women. And to hire her without knowing that she knows how to do it is somehow unprofessional.
What I'm getting at is that this choice to fuck her or not is stupid.
Because she came to a brothel, obviously she will be fucked here, but she still doesn't like that the interview will be held through sex.
And it's inappropriate to refuse to fuck her because we're going to work here too and it's our job to fuck women. And to hire her without knowing that she knows how to do it is somehow unprofessional.
What I'm getting at is that this choice to fuck her or not is stupid.
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This is pretty much the reason; I'm not good at subtlety - especially that early into the project - and GIL relishes the opportunities he gets for girl-on-girl contact. Now, it is totally fair for someone to mark that against Veronica's character. The text stands on its own.While the story and writing is very grounded, it's still a porn game so it gets a pass. And in contrast to other (lewd) events in this game, it's really nothing.
But don't do that IRL!
Still, I wouldn't attribute her flirting with customers as a contributing factor for her gym's decline. Not when Samson is behind the scenes encouraging her former coach to set her up to fail. Her dumb business sense, unbudging pride, and the toxic environment she is unwittingly immersed in probably outweighs
- Oct 20, 2022
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No I think it to set up your version of the mc. Will he use his position of power to take advantage of a women who needs help or not? Personally I don't like for him to use his position when it's pretty clear that she really needs the position.
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Would you ask someone to build a house before hiring them as construction worker?
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First off, why do you say she doesn't like that the interview would involve sex? As I remember it, she went along with it right away without much reluctance if any. But she knows she's not there to be a hooker, she's there to be part of a sex show. And I don't think Edwin knew those particulars at the time either. Even so for him to jump to the conclusion that he needs to get high from his (the brothel's) own supply in order to know the quality of the product doesn't feel like a nice guy move. And that's what Rose is looking for a nice guy that she can manipulate to get favors and protection from.
Not sure this analogy holds up, because although an interviewer may not ask one to build a house, I did have to drive a few nails into a 2x as a test when I applied at a general contractor the summer before senior year. The equivalent for Rosie would be to ask her to show that she can entice and seduce a bit. Even if she pulls a starfish maneuver once it gets to sex, that can be trained pretty easily, but if a grown woman can't act a little sexy and flirt with someone, then they'd probably balk at the rest of the challenges of brothel work.
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You don't even know what your job is going to be or what that place is, exactly, at that point. You just get dangled an option to fuck a woman who comes there as extra incentive to accept Chuck's offer, and he makes it clear it's entirely optional for you to take advantage of it. Edwin notes it himself -- that it's not like his opinion is going to hold any actual weight.
There's nothing "appropriate" about taking that advantage. That's all it is.
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While the problem of the few people who go to her gym is that she only accepts women, it is a big factor because it closes the possibility of entry to 50% or 60% of potential clients, I would say that the other factor that is bankrupting her is how intense she is in her training, first she has to climb several stairs to enter as a "test" to see if people take her seriously, the first time I saw this I easily realized why her business does not work, going to the gym is in itself a great challenge for the average person and even more so to turn it into a routine, but if on top of that you put obstacles to your clients it is normal that they do not want to continue coming.
So no, Veronica's alleged harassment is far from being one of the problems for which she does not have people coming, on the contrary, some women would surely like that.
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Rose may or may not know that this is a brothel but at this point of the story the mc does not. All he knows is that a woman who is desperate for a job is offering to sleep with him to secure the position.
The choice is to allow the player the ability to shape him. Is he the type of person who will take advantage of someone's desperation or not. It's like Kat's gift. You have the option to check if Harper is truly ok going along or you can disregard her feelings and go straight into indulging the gift.
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Or reject the "gift" completely.
I wouldn't trust anything coming from Kat, or from Chuck for that matter.
TD: *creates a work of art that encourages the player to notice the parallels between MC wondering how much moral complicity he has for enabling and/or being directly involved in brutal scenes of humiliation, BDSM, etc, for the benefit of a bunch of dirty rich and powerful men which would happen whether he was involved or not on the one hand, and on the other hand the player's own involvement in the creation of the same scenes for, essentially, the same reasons (because without all of us assholes wanting to experience the game, it doesn't exist, does it?), and inviting us to ask questions and confront feelings and impulses to which we otherwise might not give a second thought*
Also TD: "I'm not good at subtlety"
Yeah, sure, okay, whatever you say
I mean, I guess, upon a little bit more reflection, the use of literary devices and layers of meaning doesn't necessarily have to be subtle. Sure, Chekhov's gun can be hanging over the fireplace gathering dust, but it can also be in a big prominent box on the wall with big red letters saying IN CASE OF PLOT BREAK GLASS. So perhaps my sarcasm is unwarranted.
I stand by it anyway.
I'm not sure I agree with implying Rose is deliberately trying to manipulate Edwin, really. I think that requires a little bit more subtlety (there's that word again) and deceitfulness than Rose really shows anywhere. In my view, it's more that she has already decided to do whatever it takes to win, and if that includes making her devil's bargain with Edwin to get him to put his thumb on the scale where he can, then in her mind that isn't really a whole lot different from the degradation and humiliation she's already signed up for. Perhaps even less difficult and distasteful, since her deal with Edwin doesn't necessarily involve a room full of horny perverts getting off on her humiliation.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't feel manipulative to me so much as an honest exchange. She's very open about her motivations for wanting Edwin on her side, not making any attempt to mislead or disguise her intentions. It's practical, certainly, and there's a certain detached transactional nature to it, but she's not trying to be sneaky or seduce Edwin under false pretenses. In my mind, that changes things. She's being baldly mercenary, for sure, but I think "manipulative" implies a sort of hidden purpose that I don't see in her.
...but then, maybe I'm completely wrong and just as much a sucker as Edwin is.
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The way I was looking at it, the MC has resigned himself to taking part in the events at the club because he figures:TD: *creates a work of art that encourages the player to notice the parallels between MC wondering how much moral complicity he has for enabling and/or being directly involved in brutal scenes of humiliation, BDSM, etc, for the benefit of a bunch of dirty rich and powerful men which would happen whether he was involved or not on the one hand, and on the other hand the player's own involvement in the creation of the same scenes for, essentially, the same reasons (because without all of us assholes wanting to experience the game, it doesn't exist, does it?), and inviting us to ask questions and confront feelings and impulses to which we otherwise might not give a second thought*
Also TD: "I'm not good at subtlety"
Yeah, sure, okay, whatever you say
I mean, I guess, upon a little bit more reflection, the use of literary devices and layers of meaning doesn't necessarily have to be subtle. Sure, Chekhov's gun can be hanging over the fireplace gathering dust, but it can also be in a big prominent box on the wall with big red letters saying IN CASE OF PLOT BREAK GLASS. So perhaps my sarcasm is unwarranted.
I stand by it anyway.
I'm not sure I agree with implying Rose is deliberately trying to manipulate Edwin, really. I think that requires a little bit more subtlety (there's that word again) and deceitfulness than Rose really shows anywhere. In my view, it's more that she has already decided to do whatever it takes to win, and if that includes making her devil's bargain with Edwin to get him to put his thumb on the scale where he can, then in her mind that isn't really a whole lot different from the degradation and humiliation she's already signed up for. Perhaps even less difficult and distasteful, since her deal with Edwin doesn't necessarily involve a room full of horny perverts getting off on her humiliation.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't feel manipulative to me so much as an honest exchange. She's very open about her motivations for wanting Edwin on her side, not making any attempt to mislead or disguise her intentions. It's practical, certainly, and there's a certain detached transactional nature to it, but she's not trying to be sneaky or seduce Edwin under false pretenses. In my mind, that changes things. She's being baldly mercenary, for sure, but I think "manipulative" implies a sort of hidden purpose that I don't see in her.
...but then, maybe I'm completely wrong and just as much a sucker as Edwin is.
- They're going to happen whether he is there or not
- He might be able to do something to help the ladies get through it
- You can't stop something from getting out of hand if you don't know what's going on
It seemed as though, as time went on, Edwin went from feeling a sense of obligation or responsibility, to then genuinely caring about the women in his life. So my decisions have been based upon trying to get the best outcome for them, and when possible, mitigating the humiliation and trauma that they are being put through and subjected to.
If in the process I can also disrupt or end Kat's plans, all the better. Along with figuring out and putting a stop to what Chuck has been doing.
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Well, she tried to manipulate MC with "the deal". If you refuse she gets angry and show her true colors. That was an amazing character twist, the nice and submissive Rose has in fact a lot of character. 10/10 writing.
I don't hold that to her though, she played her cards. That didn't repel me to romance her.
all 3 final scenes show up in my gallery as locked. the mina felicia threesome, double penetrating rose with our boy and also a veronica final scene. fyi i dont know if this is what happens during those scenes. i cant access those scenes and my gallery is locked. ch4up4 ended for me after the art seeing with felicia. help!
- Mar 13, 2021
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It doesn't. Nasty Crazy Bitch chatting with Felicia's Oblivious Merry Cuck is the end of the update.
Check Mr Bubu's walkthrough and see what you have to do to unlock those scenes.
There are a couple good reasons why I stated more than once that the best romance options for Edwin are Hana, Felicia and Sophia, followed with some distance by Mina.
While the top 3 have their secrets like everyone, they are not two-faced. Hana is the goth musician trying to find her way in life, Felicia is the gold-digging, talented artist with more worthy end goals and Sophia is the amoral, eccentric nerd, who will inherit a medical empire. There might be things they logically do not tell anybody at first meeting, you know what you get into if you start to pursue them.
I put Mina with some distance because while she is a nice,lively girl, she is even more searching her own way than the others. She has not found it yet and the Mina who finally finds her way might not be the Mina as she is now.