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Meiri

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Hmm you know, all things considered and given the amount of talk how horrible both Grace and Chuck are... it is kind of interesting that neither of them told Ian about Victoria's past despite apparently knowing about it, and let the boy keep his warm fuzzy relationship intact.
But why would they? For Grace, Victoria is pretty much being the motherly figure for her son and doing it for free and Chuck loves Killian and wants him to be happy, neither of them win anything by telling him in their sick way they are grateful to her.
 

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I mean grace just straight up said she dont care about victoria's past and also would they gain anything by telling Ian about victoria's past ?
It could be as simple as resentment of seeing her own son apparently prefer to hang around with Victoria than with his own mother, and wanting him to know his idolized image is off. Meantime, Chuck is very much a "life mentor" for his nephew, which includes shaping his opinions about women and how they're nothing but toys for men to use and discard. Showing him that Victoria is no different in this regard could be a very effective lesson to this effect.

Buuuut

- Chuck talks about it after Kathleen spills the bean - Edwin realises that the 3 Club owners know everything about his family;
- Chuck stopped seeing Edwin for quite a few years before he contacted and hired him;
- same with Grace - she stopped seeing him and Victoria for quite a few years.
If i understand it right the lack of contact comes mostly from Edwin spending less time with Ian, after the fallout of the whole thing with Marlow. Neither Chuck nor Grace were choosing to spend their time with Edwin specifically, he'd simply meet with Chuck during the high school physics club meetings, and Grace might have occasionally be around when Edwin was visiting Ian's house.
 

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It could be as simple as resentment of seeing her own son apparently prefer to hang around with Victoria than with his own mother, and wanting him to know his idolized image is off. Meantime, Chuck is very much a "life mentor" for his nephew, which includes shaping his opinions about women and how they're nothing but toys for men to use and discard. Showing him that Victoria is no different in this regard could be a very effective lesson to this effect.
Yeah she could do that out of resentment but she also knows it wont really help her build her relationship with her son any further in fact ian would probably even hate her for doing that you know like taking one of the few things that he cares about. Although i do agree about chuck but at the same time he also cares about Ian a lot and knows how important vicky was in Ian's life. And also chuck is the type of person who keeps this type of information to himself so that he could use it against someone later.
 
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I'd say he's already cucked when they decided to make arguably the best girl in the game his best friends girlfriend :(
This is the pretty absurd "this woman that i like had sex with someone else before i even met her, and she stays in that relationship (for a few days) rather than immediately dump her guy and jump into my arms, therefore she cucked me" absurd level of expectations.
 

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I may have missed it in all of the many, many posts, but there is one thing that strikes me about the Grace/Chuck/Victoria discussions:
It seems like everyone here assumes that we know what Grace is trying to use for leverage (and what Vic apparently attempted to drunk-confess to).

But we only know what Edwin knows.

Just because Vic did porn, it does not rule out that she may also have done other things she has kept hidden from Edwin. Could be anything, really, though if Chuck is involved, straight-up prostitution is an obvious candidate. Alternatively, those 4 early shoots before finding a "serious" studio could be of a kind that is seen as worse than what we have seen Edwin be aware of. I mean, Chuck is clearly no stranger to all sorts of perversions, so if he was involved there is no telling what was filmed.

I am not saying that I necessarily think there is more going on here. But it cannot be ruled out that the closet contains more skeletons than the ones Edwin has found.
 

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Alternatively, those 4 early shoots before finding a "serious" studio could be of a kind that is seen as worse than what we have seen Edwin be aware of.
If i'm not mistaken the very first video of Victoria we get to see in the prologue is from her "debut" i.e. the very first flick she's made, one of those 4.
 

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This is the pretty absurd "this woman that i like had sex with someone else before i even met her, and she stays in that relationship (for a few days) rather than immediately dump her guy and jump into my arms, therefore she cucked me" absurd level of expectations.
No that's not what i meant. You can tell that she still has feelings for him if you went her route, plus the whole thing with the morality of her being your best friends former girlfriend. Idk maybe cucked is the wrong word for it.
 
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If i'm not mistaken the very first video of Victoria we get to see in the prologue is from her "debut" i.e. the very first flick she's made, one of those 4.
True, it at least gives off the appearance of being, if not the first, then among the first. (Then again, I am fairly confident that there are a number of porn movies where participants claim it is their first when it is not.) That does not mean much though. For instance, here is a wild-ish scenario that still fits the facts as we(/Edwin) know them:

– Vic does a film or four. Perhaps they get progressively "worse", perhaps not.
– Chuck, with his perverted ear to the ground, finds out.
– He knows the guys, and knows it will go rapidly downhill from there; By the 6th movie, they are likely to bring in the dogs and donkeys, or whatever. Given the Ian connexion, he decides to intervene. Perhaps he even manages to bury something filmed but not yet released.
– Then, before setting Vic up with a more reputable studio to continue her newfound career, he claims a personal payment for his help and his silence.
– Then tells Grace about it. Could even include copies of those unreleased films. Now that would be some proper blackmail material.

Is that a likely scenario? That is an irrelevant question to the point I am making, namely that thus far our only source of information on Vic's past is what Edwin has dug out from the Internet. We have no way of knowing if that forms anywhere near a full picture.

And, for what it is worth, Victoria does not strike me as someone who would completely break down over her now adult son finding out she did some porn that, by today's standards, is fairly vanilla. Which is why I have this nagging feeling there is something else to the tale.
 
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And, for what it is worth, Victoria does not strike me as someone who would completely break down over her now adult son finding out she did some porn that, by today's standards, is fairly vanilla. Which is why I have this nagging feeling there is something else to the tale.
I don't think this sort of rationalization really works when it involves stuff like "my child has found out i've been doing porn flicks". Consider how strong visceral reaction Edwin gets simply from meeting a guy who has fucked his mother in most conventional way possible, and that's with Edwin only vaguely aware of this connection.

Regarding the "wild scenario", as far as we know Chuck wasn't in any way involved in Victoria's (own) decision to contact a more established studio. Neither Victoria nor Donovan mention anything like that, Donovan's studio is completely legal venture and it's not like you need references when you apply to work in porn flick.

I feel like this need to dig for "something even worse" is mostly a result of players getting desensitized to the idea Victoria was doing porn, over the course of the game i.e. literal years it took to make it. They may be very well as numb to it as Edwin at this point. :sneaky:
 
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Garen

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How'd you unlock the hana and mina scene tho?
Hana as "fuck buddies" and Mina as "casual lovers". Don't push Mina towards Veronica in this update. Go hang out with Mina by ignoring Roselind, Veronica, Felicia etc.
Bro, the scene between Grace & Vic in this update freezed the blood in my veins. I felt sick for Vic.
Bro forget Grace, the person I'm really worried about is Ian. I can only hope I have enough "bromance" points. He "reassured" us that nothing changes but now with Victoria not being a "pure" woman in his eyes, I have no idea how he's going to react. Even without his problematic views of women and relationships, this reveal would've been super tough for him given the pedestal he places her on.

Maybe that's what his Mina forgiveness plot is all about. Getting ahead of the curve and rehabilitating his personality so that the Vicky reveal doesn't horribly change things. In a scenario where we cheat with Mina and then ignore Ian (not enough bromance points), this Victoria reveal might be where he goes to the dark side.
 

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Bro, the scene between Grace & Vic in this update freezed the blood in my veins. I felt sick for Vic.




It is implied that Auggie, Kath and Old Chap Chuck know EVERYTHING about their employees.
Just checked out the new patch.
Ugh damn Grace pulled the bitch card. I'm a bit surprised she knows though.
 

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Bro forget Grace, the person I'm really worried about is Ian. I can only hope I have enough "bromance" points. He "reassured" us that nothing changes but now with Victoria not being a "pure" woman in his eyes, I have no idea how he's going to react.
Ian's reaction hinges on whether he's on introspection route by the looks of it. If it's on then he says that he's glad Edwin has told him, while off that route he says in the same spot that he wishes he didn't know. So... yeah, fairly sure this can go badly.
 

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I don't think this sort of rationalization really works when it involves stuff like "my child has found out i've been doing porn flicks". Consider how strong visceral reaction Edwin gets simply from meeting a guy who has fucked his mother in most conventional way possible, and that's with Edwin only vaguely aware of this connection.
I hope you are right, for Vic's sake. Though it must also be noted that she has had a decade or so of dreading/preparing for the day Edwin (or someone else) comes across one of her flicks. Obviously, it could be that it has been long enough now that she has let herself believe it would remain a secret, and that that is what triggers her strong reaction. Or it could be something else yet to be revealed.
Up until a few [real-world] days ago, we had had no indication that Grace was aware. Nor Chuck, as far as I can recall (it has been a while since last I looked at the early chapters). The feeling I have is that the Club trio stick to their own turf for the most part. Kat knowing about the porn does not necessarily mean the other two do.

Regarding the "wild scenario", as far as we know Chuck wasn't in any way involved in Victoria's (own) decision to contact a more established studio. Neither Victoria nor Donovan mention anything like that, Donovan's studio is completely legal venture and it's not like you need references when you apply to work in porn flick.
Yes, we have no indication he was involved. We also have no indication he was not. Absence of evidence vs evidence of absence, and all that jazz. And that is my whole point here. Please do not read too much – or preferably anything – into a scenario it took all of 30 seconds to cobble together. (Unless it turns out it was spot on, in which case you should hail me as a prophet…)

What we did learn from the conversation with Grace is that Chuck (and Grace) has known about the porn for years. And that Vic knew that he knew. [Awkward Thanksgiving dinners - plural]
How much do we trust that guy to not take some sort of advantage?

I feel like this need to dig for "something even worse" is mostly a result of players getting desensitized to the idea Victoria was doing porn, over the course of the game i.e. literal years it took to make it. They may be very well as numb to it as Edwin at this point. :sneaky:
For the record, I am not digging for anything here. I am pointing to a possibility that it seemed everyone was ignoring, which is not the same as wishing it were true. Vic's situation is/was crappy enough as it is without me wanting it to be worse.

Also, subjectively worse is not the same as objectively worse. If we go with the assumption that there is something more to the tale than the porn Edwin has shown us, it could just be something that Vic would be more embarrassed about than the porn. It could be as simple as Vic being prepared for Edwin to find her movies, but not prepared for Edwin to find out that "Uncle" Chuck knew (or even was somehow involved). I can easily see how that added layer would shake her up more, even though it does not involve her actually doing something we did not already know about.
 
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Oh I guess I forgot to say this here, Happy new year folks, the few days right after a new update always make me sad, I know nothing else I play will make me have as much fun as PC. Next update should be a fun one, so looking forward to that.
 
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