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zandalari

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I mean... the two spots where Edwin has blurry memories are separate animations. You guys haven't seen the unblurred animation for the Vicky prone bone. ;)
And whose fault is it? :BootyTime:

On a different note, there is clearly a quite contrast between the films she did with Donny and the ones before. She was rather happy. And don't consider me saying "oh she is a whore who have sex for fun". Of course she had to act,coupling with the pleasure that sex gives it's inevitable.

I just thought it's weird that he reacts the same way to all of her porn.
Is it the same though? I have not replayed the game for a long time now so my memory might be blurry, but his reaction to Donny stuff was quite extreme.

My personal theory is that it's a matter of image. MC thinks of Vicky as a martyr of sorts that was forced into bad circumstances and endured it for his sake. Her image is pure and unblemished by the actions she was forced to take.

But while it could have started this way, was she still being forced into it later on? The new vids certainly point to a bit different scene. Dare I say she looked quite.. satisfied under her new employer. And that's the thought that sent our MC into a fit. His perfect mother, enjoying getting fucked on camera? Such a revelation might force him to take another look at what is happening in the club. There could be some far reaching implications here and a possible split in MC's personality depending on if the player keeps or deletes the vids. Personally I keep the vids not just for content but also I don't think being in the club is healthy for anyone's sanity. MC is already on the fucked up side and it makes sense that this and other revelations make him worse in some way. We'll see how and where this goes.
 
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And whose fault is it? :BootyTime:






But was she forced later on? The new vids certainly point to a bit different scene. Dare I say she looked quite.. satisfied under her new employer. And that's the thought that sent our MC into a fit. His perfect mother, enjoying getting fucked on camera? Such a revelation might force him to take another look at what is happening in the club. There could be some far reaching implications here and a possible split in MC's personality depending on if the player keeps or deletes the vids. Personally I keep the vids not just for content but also I don't think being in the club is healthy for anyone's sanity. MC is already on the fucked up side and it makes sense that this and other revelations make him worse in some way. We'll see how and where this goes.
In a way she was forced due to her financial circumstances at the time. As she said herself she would have no issues getting laid and I don’t think porn was a her first choice with how she broke down with Edwin and Killian.

I think keeping the vids would would lead him further down the path of debauchery since watching your mom having sex is traumatizing and keep reliving the trauma by rewatching trauma will just keep the cycle of bad coping mechanisms going. Edwin’s coping being club activities and that path is running parallel to Kathleen’s path.

Accepting the fact his mom is a sex queen that did porn and deleting the vids would be best thing he could do to move on from the club imo… with Veronicas and Minas support of course.
 
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I dearly wish there was a mod to make the Rose threesome scene into a duo. It's still the best scene in the game in my opinion, but I don't want to share...
 
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lustforsex

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In a way she was forced due to her financial circumstances at the time. As she said herself she would have no issues getting laid and I don’t think porn was a her first choice with how she broke down with Edwin and Killian.

I think keeping the vids would would lead him further down the path of debauchery since watching your mom having sex is traumatizing and keep reliving the trauma by rewatching trauma will just keep the cycle of bad coping mechanisms going. Edwin’s coping being club activities and that path is running parallel to Kathleen’s path.

Accepting the fact his mom is a sex queen that did porn and deleting the vids would be best thing he could do to move on from the club imo… with Veronicas and Minas support of course.
I wonder if this information had leaked to Edwin and Ian's circle when they were growing up, would he have had to accept it and move on in the same way? Or would it have just ruined his life?
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Yeah, it's okay for you until Nora or her circle finds out about it... and after that, you both won't be okay
 
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And whose fault is it? :BootyTime:


Is it the same though? I have not replayed the game for a long time now so my memory might be blurry, but his reaction to Donny stuff was quite extreme.

My personal theory is that it's a matter of image. MC thinks of Vicky as a martyr of sorts that was forced into bad circumstances and endured it for his sake. Her image is pure and unblemished by the actions she was forced to take.

But was she forced later on? The new vids certainly point to a bit different scene. Dare I say she looked quite.. satisfied under her new employer. And that's the thought that sent our MC into a fit. His perfect mother, enjoying getting fucked on camera? Such a revelation might force him to take another look at what is happening in the club. There could be some far reaching implications here and a possible split in MC's personality depending on if the player keeps or deletes the vids. Personally I keep the vids not just for content but also I don't think being in the club is healthy for anyone's sanity. MC is already on the fucked up side and it makes sense that this and other revelations make him worse in some way. We'll see how and where this goes.
"...sometimes I think all I want to do is find something holy and venerated and step on it until it's ugly, but that would just be a toddler having a temper tantrum" is what Edwin says to Mina during their convedrsation about sexual fantasies, right after remembering a scene of Vicky fucking a gangster. On several other occasions he has no issue recalling Vicky's other gonzo scenes when something reminds him of them. Never does he try to resist those memories. On the contrary, he regularly rewatches those scenes. To remind himself of how his mother suffered for him. To remind himself that the carnations are people, just like his mom. At least that what Edwin tells himself.

The Donovan scene is the first time in the game Edwin is violently repressing a memory of Vicky's porn scenes. It's the strongest revulsion to his mother's acting career he has expressed in the entire game. Yet from what we see of the interview, and what Vicky explicitly tells Donovan, her previous gonzo scenes were a lot worse in her experience than what Daddy Donny is doing to her. She even seems to genuinely enjoy herself.

Edwin has created a narrative around Vicky's porn career for himself. She did it for money to prevent their lives from changing too much after his father's death. She did it so they could stay in Edwin's childhood home, where Vicky has tons of memories with her husband. She suffered immensly during all of her shoots. Blatantly obvious to anyone watching those gonzo videos. Edwin saw her break down crying at the kitchen table at least once, that's clearly tied to her shoots in his mind.

In his mind, his mother is something holy and venerated, being defiled until it is ugly. All for his sake. Against her will.

The Donovan scene flies straight in the face of that narrative. Vicky didn't suffer, she enjoyed herself. She enjoyed being fucked on camera.

That should be a good thing though, right? Vicky went through some horrible experiences at the beginning of her porn career, but then she found a better studio. She suffered less. That's what Edwin wants, isn't it? His goal is to become a doctor, and take care of his mother. He should want her to not suffer.

Yet when Vicky breaks down in tears again in this update, her secretive porn career weighing heavily on her mind, Edwin does everything in his power to *prevent* Vicky from relieving herself of that burden. Sure, he frames it as comfort, reassuring her nothing could ever make him hate her. However, as soon as he realises what Vicky is about to tell him, his focus shifts from comforting and reassuring his mother to preventing her to tell her story.

He has to. Because he knows, once she tells the story of how and why she got into porn his own narrative will crumble. The dates of her videos don't match his fathers death. They're closer to other disasters in their lives. She wasn't a suffering victim for her entire career. She wasn't being defiled throughout. She simply stopped being holy at some point.

However, why is this narrative so important for Edwin? Because its his entire justification for constantly rewatching Victoria's gonzo porn scenes. He knows it's wrong, but he's only doing it to remind himself how much his mother suffered for his sake. He does it to feel connected to his mother on some level. He doesn't enjoy it. How could he? That's his mother being defiled there on camera. The most important person in his life. The person who sacrificed herself for him. The person who suffered for his sake.

If this narrative is false, then why does he keep rewatching those videos?
This is what Edwin will need to answer in the future. This is why he represses the memory of Donnovan's scene and why he wishes with all of his being that Vicky forgets the conversation at the end of the update.

My theory:

Edwin cannot admit to himself that he enjoys seeing his mother suffer. More than that, he cannot face the possibility of enjoying being the one responsible for her suffering. Again, Edwin to Mina in the hotel:"There's a feeling of revulsion that I want to turn inside out and direct at the world". As opposed to it being directed at himself?

Those porn scene dates are remarkably close to his voyeur/pyromaniac/violent assault experiences.
 
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The story has a lot of nuance on morality and so far every character has some sympathetic points to them outside of Warren. Everything is leading to Veronica and Mina getting the best ends while Sophia will be in every single bad end in my humble opinion.
I think you let your personal preferences a bit too much room here, not that it is bad, but it seems you do. Because if you play towards the Hana and Felicia romances, you can see that there are several really good endings possible too. As for Sophia, you are definitely mistaken with your prediction and I am not saying this as a Sophia fan, there are some in-game facts to remember. Sophia is on the side opposing esp. Chuck. Endings which send the old bastard (plus Grace, Kath and Co) packing or worse will be good ends and most likely have participation of Sophia and Abel in them.
As for Sophia herself you might read a couple of my posts on her.:)
 

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Moreover if MC learns the actual truth of what happened morally shouldn't he just talk to Chuck and tell him that he is quitting? No matter how much the college would cost if MC was disgusted by the memories of her mother doing porn, shouldn't all shit go to hell once he learns that the club was behind it?
But the club isn't behind it. That's just people taking Grace's "Chuck told me" and running double marathon with it.
 

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I'm at a loss on how to trigger the Mina/Hana scene in this latest episode. Hana is a FB instead of GF, but the dialogue prompt for telling Mina about Hana just does not show up. Is there a trigger in an earlier episode to make that pop up? Her bi-curious is maxed out, so it's not. I can only think that it's tied to a choice earlier.
 
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I'm at a loss on how to trigger the Mina/Hana scene in this latest episode. Hana is a FB instead of GF, but the dialogue prompt for telling Mina about Hana just does not show up. Is there a trigger in an earlier episode to make that pop up? Her bi-curious is maxed out, so it's not. I can only think that it's tied to a choice earlier.
There isn't a mina/hana prompt, just a veronica one. Hana FB and have slept with Mina and >3 bicurious, then spend time with mina at the club. You'll get pulled up on stage and mina will chat with hana, but the bicurious scene doesn't happen until after you go to MC's house. Many people are just not progressing far enough to see the scene and assuming thay have missed it.
 

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Yet when Vicky breaks down in tears again in this update, her secretive porn career weighing heavily on her mind, Edwin does everything in his power to *prevent* Vicky from relieving herself of that burden. Sure, he frames it as comfort, reassuring her nothing could ever make him hate her. However, as soon as he realises what Vicky is about to tell him, his focus shifts from comforting and reassuring his mother to preventing her to tell her story.
While i generally agree there's likely some of that, it's probably worth to keep in mind that Edwin also had multiple people just recently tell him that keepings some things a secret can be better option than revealing them, and this may also be affecting his behavior here -- in the sense that he genuinely doesn't want his mother to do while she's drunk something that she might ultimately regret and wish she'd go back on, once she's sober and fully aware of her actions.
 

Raynare69

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My goodness, this story is so good. Great update!
This game is THE prime example of "came for the seggs, stayed for the story".

When I first started, I was wary of the theme and was not sure it would interest me, but man this has been one hell of an emotional and wild ride. This is truly one of those few games where, if I notice an update, I'll drop everything for it and check it out. Can't wait for the next!
 

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So, in prospect to Mana+Mina~ friendly threesome you have to have noncommital relationship with both. Gut punch over here. I had saves with serious commit with one of them or both, but not noncommital with both. heh. Well, you got me to rerun full game again.

Thx for upd, keep it coming. Still follow, will follow.
 

ffive

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I had saves with serious commit with one of them or both
There's no such thing as serious commitment with Mina (at least yet) in the story so not sure why you'd think you've had that. And it should be rather obvious that "serious commitment" with one means no fooling around with the other (and thus no threesomes) much less making "serious commitment" with her too.
 

Ottoeight

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So, in prospect to Mana+Mina~ friendly threesome you have to have noncommital relationship with both. Gut punch over here. I had saves with serious commit with one of them or both, but not noncommital with both. heh. Well, you got me to rerun full game again.
You are wrong.

As ffive said, there is no serious commitment with Mina (at the moment).

I unlocked that "prospect" being fuckbuddy with Hana and casual lover with Mina, therefore your assumptions are wrong.

You couldn't do it with Hana being your GF, but you didn't need to be a rocket scientist to realise it, of course.

Just to be clear, if you go down Mina's and Hana's routes, they can become:

- Hana: fuckbuddy or goth gf
- Mina: fuckbuddy or casual lover

... at the moment, of course.

Anyway, why don't you guys just check Mr Bubu's walkthrough? it shows every branching and every scene and how to unlock every gallery scene.

If you followed it and completed the gallery, you should be able to unlock every latest update scene and variant scene as well, even though it hasn't been updated yet.
 
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M4GN3T0

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Hi, I wanted to recreate a new party with the release of patch 4.0 and take the opportunity to take another route. unfortunately I had the bug again in the taser scene where a response from Veronica caused me to crash the game. I already had this problem 1 year ago and I don't remember how I went through. Any idea? (I tried with or without cheat/walkthrough) THANKS.
 
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