The scene is not at the stage. It's after the scene at Victoria's house with Edwin and Ian, you need to be on the Casual lovers path with Mina and Fuck buddies with Hana. You also need to kiss Hana on stage and I believe you need to be transparent about the date with Hana to Mina in one of the previous updates in addition to the bicurious score.I can't get Mina to go on stage, I don't understand why not, Mina has B-curious at 8, I didn't pressure her to go with Veronica and she's not dating Hana, just friends F, what am I missing?
A little help please or something to unlock the gallery.
Well, that's generally what having a girlfriend means or at least what I always thought it was xDSo, if I go on the Hana's GF path, do I lock myself from all the other girls? Or does she lets me play around? Especially with Mina, is it possible to get into a "throuple" kind of relationship being on Hana GF path while having a deal with Mina?
I can't get Mina to go on stage, I don't understand why not, Mina has B-curious at 8, I didn't pressure her to go with Veronica and she's not dating Hana, just friends F, what am I missing?
A little help please or something to unlock the gallery.
So, if I go on the Hana's GF path, do I lock myself from all the other girls? Or does she lets me play around? Especially with Mina, is it possible to get into a "throuple" kind of relationship being on Hana GF path while having a deal with Mina?
August would drop a nuke on the club if Hana was involved in any of the Carnation sexual activities.Finally ! I'm excited to play the next update which will be an exhibition.
I'm curious to see how involved Hana will be in this, given that she's supposed to have much the same role as Kathleen. We saw that Kat was at one point involved and exposed directly in front of everyone in one of the games when Veronica chose her, I hope something similar with Hana, it definitely wouldn't be interesting to see her only as a green plant on stage.
Yeah dressing sexy as a bartender is one thing but demeaning his daughter with Carnations activities is a line too far especially since he's trying to repair/build their relationship.August would drop a nuke on the club if Hana was involved in any of the Carnation sexual activities.
While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. I wouldn't be as turned off if it was a everyone gets a reward kinda thing or the club specifically screened for girls who are into it, but this just felt uncomfortable while playing it also i cant believe that there is still a romance tag on this. The consent is dubious at best in so many scenes. If there was a version of this without the money coercion bit id play the hell out of it but right now it just feels dirty to play this. Which is a shame because there is some real talent with the writing, character design and the models but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
I get where you're coming from and I am not here to convince you otherwise but think of this way: the carnations always have the option to say no and move on with their lives. Yes, the club prays on their 'misfortune' but they are not being blackmailed by the club nor are they cornered with no way out. They made a choice to participate and haven't backed as of yet.While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. [..] but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
But they do ? This is not some kinda a western human trafficking mafia who prostitute womans in the streets with violence and stuff. They are there willingly. Some of them might have been influenced or manipulated to some extent but at the end of the day they choose to be there and are not forced to stay from what i can remember.the women dont do this out of their free will
Hi! You made the mistake of seeing "Pale Carnations" as a pure porn game. It isn´t, PC is more a crime noir story (in colour) with erotic/sexy elements. In the story you have an illegal brothel (at least in the US state where PC takes place, where I live it would be legal), human trafficking, unsanctioned medical experiments, a main NPC who has regular "Make him an offer he cannot refuse" moments, the orchestrator of the yearly "games" is a full-blooded sadist, we have missing persons and at least one murder or execution taking place.While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. I wouldn't be as turned off if it was a everyone gets a reward kinda thing or the club specifically screened for girls who are into it, but this just felt uncomfortable while playing it also i cant believe that there is still a romance tag on this. The consent is dubious at best in so many scenes. If there was a version of this without the money coercion bit id play the hell out of it but right now it just feels dirty to play this. Which is a shame because there is some real talent with the writing, character design and the models but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
I'm not trying to dissuade you from your conclusion. The club is run by awful people taking advantage of desperate women and the text rarely lets the player forget it. The scenario is icky and you shouldn't play anything you don't find value in.While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. I wouldn't be as turned off if it was a everyone gets a reward kinda thing or the club specifically screened for girls who are into it, but this just felt uncomfortable while playing it also i cant believe that there is still a romance tag on this. The consent is dubious at best in so many scenes. If there was a version of this without the money coercion bit id play the hell out of it but right now it just feels dirty to play this. Which is a shame because there is some real talent with the writing, character design and the models but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
The only one who this argument feels like it could work for is Felicia. The game does feel like some Harvey Weinstein shit.I'm not trying to dissuade you from your conclusion. The club is run by awful people taking advantage of desperate women and the text rarely lets the player forget it. The scenario is icky and you shouldn't play anything you don't find value in.
HOWEVER, I do contend this:
The Carnations may be in dire straits, but I just don't see how you can say they're not consenting to the events. They're not being coerced to participate in the exhibitions by anything other than their own personal circumstances and values. It is exploitation, but... that's what the world is built on, isn't it? People who willingly demean themselves, perform a job they hate for the need of money, or otherwise just sell themselves short. I mean shit, retail is soul crushing and coal mining will destroy your body. Yet, I don't think anyone will contend those jobs are done absent of free will.Company towns aside.
Again, that doesn't make it any less icky, but I think it's a distinction worth talking about as free will and exploitation are themes the scenario are built on. Not only with the Carnations, but with Edwin and Hana as well.
Sigh. This is the meaning of "independence" in the context of discussion we were having:The main word here is independent. It doesn't fit with other two. Do you realize that most of the history apart from last 50 years or so people lived in very patriarchal communities? In that kind of environment, if you aren't on the top you aren't independent.
Note the part after "instead". No, even 50 years ago (which is, incidentally, fucking 1970s) you didn't have to be the ruler of the world in order to be able to live without a husband and have your own money and a place to live. It is far less of an achievement than you seem to believe it was.What Felicia actually wants is to get sufficiently comfortable, wealthy life where she's independent, instead of completely depending on wealth and whims of a rich asshole who picked her for his trophy wife.
What circles? Felicia had her wealth in form of allowance and a comfortable place to live provided by her husband, and now she wants to be able to support her own existence. What is "running in crcles" about it?So, where does Felicia fit in? she sacrificed her independence for "sufficiently comfortable, wealthy". You are running in circles.
Even if she wins the membership would the others even respect her enough to pay for whatever talents she has?Sigh. This is the meaning of "independence" in the context of discussion we were having:
Note the part after "instead". No, even 50 years ago (which is, incidentally, fucking 1970s) you didn't have to be the ruler of the world in order to be able to live without a husband and have your own money and a place to live. It is far less of an achievement than you seem to believe it was.
What circles? Felicia had her wealth in form of allowance and a comfortable place to live provided by her husband, and now she wants to be able to support her own existence. What is "running in crcles" about it?
Realistically, if Felicia can get in the club as a member, then all she needs is to make few hundred thousand of dollars from rich fucks who don't even consider this kind of money as real expenditure. You think she'll have soooo much difficulty convincing a few of them to drop 50-100k on her for what she can provide them with? Don't forget, Chuck has decides to fund Edwin's medical studies (that's ~60k/year) basically on a whim, because his favorite nephew wanted his friend to work with him.
Not all of them for sure, but only a few is enough. That's the bet she made.Even if she wins the membership would the others even respect her enough to pay for whatever talents she has?
I maybe misrembering or interperiting, Samson sabataged Veronica's business with bad contracts/business model preying on her naivite on buisness to coerce into a situation where the carnation club was a last resort. Each time she thought about dropping out she is reminded she'll lose the chance at money and the implications of that with her personal life. Thats forcing someone to do something against thier own will, aka coecersion. Nothing about that is "willingly."I'm not trying to dissuade you from your conclusion. The club is run by awful people taking advantage of desperate women and the text rarely lets the player forget it. The scenario is icky and you shouldn't play anything you don't find value in.
HOWEVER, I do contend this:
The Carnations may be in dire straits, but I just don't see how you can say they're not consenting to the events. They're not being coerced to participate in the exhibitions by anything other than their own personal circumstances and values. It is exploitation, but... that's what the world is built on, isn't it? People who willingly demean themselves, perform a job they hate for the need of money, or otherwise just sell themselves short. I mean shit, retail is soul crushing and coal mining will destroy your body. Yet, I don't think anyone will contend those jobs are done absent of free will.Company towns aside.
Again, that doesn't make it any less icky, but I think it's a distinction worth talking about as free will and exploitation are themes the scenario are built on. Not only with the Carnations, but with Edwin and Hana as well.