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mruggeri2

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So, if I go on the Hana's GF path, do I lock myself from all the other girls? Or does she lets me play around? Especially with Mina, is it possible to get into a "throuple" kind of relationship being on Hana GF path while having a deal with Mina?
 

DarkLords00

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Nov 23, 2022
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I can't get Mina to go on stage, I don't understand why not, Mina has B-curious at 8, I didn't pressure her to go with Veronica and she's not dating Hana, just friends F, what am I missing?

A little help please or something to unlock the gallery.
The scene is not at the stage. It's after the scene at Victoria's house with Edwin and Ian, you need to be on the Casual lovers path with Mina and Fuck buddies with Hana. You also need to kiss Hana on stage and I believe you need to be transparent about the date with Hana to Mina in one of the previous updates in addition to the bicurious score.


So, if I go on the Hana's GF path, do I lock myself from all the other girls? Or does she lets me play around? Especially with Mina, is it possible to get into a "throuple" kind of relationship being on Hana GF path while having a deal with Mina?
Well, that's generally what having a girlfriend means or at least what I always thought it was xD
It won't lock you out of scenes but it WILL probably screw you over in the long run at least with Hana/Mina or both since Hana already said she expected transparecy so she ain't gonna be to happy if you cheat on her unless it's for "work" related activites.

Seriously guys, read the forum and the game... it's not that hard there's a gallery unlocker link in the original post of the thread xD
 

Ottoeight

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Mar 13, 2021
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I can't get Mina to go on stage, I don't understand why not, Mina has B-curious at 8, I didn't pressure her to go with Veronica and she's not dating Hana, just friends F, what am I missing?

A little help please or something to unlock the gallery.
So, if I go on the Hana's GF path, do I lock myself from all the other girls? Or does she lets me play around? Especially with Mina, is it possible to get into a "throuple" kind of relationship being on Hana GF path while having a deal with Mina?

Mr Bubu's walkthrough has got every answer you need.

Honestly, I really have no idea why you guys ask these questions.
 

Ness99

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Dec 16, 2018
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Finally ! I'm excited to play the next update which will be an exhibition.
I'm curious to see how involved Hana will be in this, given that she's supposed to have much the same role as Kathleen. We saw that Kat was at one point involved and exposed directly in front of everyone in one of the games when Veronica chose her, I hope something similar with Hana, it definitely wouldn't be interesting to see her only as a green plant on stage.
 

Darreau91

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Dec 31, 2022
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Finally ! I'm excited to play the next update which will be an exhibition.
I'm curious to see how involved Hana will be in this, given that she's supposed to have much the same role as Kathleen. We saw that Kat was at one point involved and exposed directly in front of everyone in one of the games when Veronica chose her, I hope something similar with Hana, it definitely wouldn't be interesting to see her only as a green plant on stage.
August would drop a nuke on the club if Hana was involved in any of the Carnation sexual activities.
 

Sleepingbeast97

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Sep 22, 2024
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While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. I wouldn't be as turned off if it was a everyone gets a reward kinda thing or the club specifically screened for girls who are into it, but this just felt uncomfortable while playing it also i cant believe that there is still a romance tag on this. The consent is dubious at best in so many scenes. If there was a version of this without the money coercion bit id play the hell out of it but right now it just feels dirty to play this. Which is a shame because there is some real talent with the writing, character design and the models but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
 

alex13_zen

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I really liked the latest episode even though I'm not on Rose's path. The music was awesome and there were more funny moments than before. And plenty of scenes I haven't seen judging by some comments, it seems I'll have to play again at least once which isn't bad.
 

Panzercat39

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Feb 22, 2023
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While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. I wouldn't be as turned off if it was a everyone gets a reward kinda thing or the club specifically screened for girls who are into it, but this just felt uncomfortable while playing it also i cant believe that there is still a romance tag on this. The consent is dubious at best in so many scenes. If there was a version of this without the money coercion bit id play the hell out of it but right now it just feels dirty to play this. Which is a shame because there is some real talent with the writing, character design and the models but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
 

slightchance

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While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. [..] but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
I get where you're coming from and I am not here to convince you otherwise but think of this way: the carnations always have the option to say no and move on with their lives. Yes, the club prays on their 'misfortune' but they are not being blackmailed by the club nor are they cornered with no way out. They made a choice to participate and haven't backed as of yet.
 
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moonpartially

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Nov 1, 2024
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Just started to play Pale Carnation and I've one thing to say :
The "A new character has been added to the profile menu." notification sound is the same as my work Google calendar notification on my mac.
It's giving me a heart attack everytime. :HideThePain:

EDIT : It's the same sound everytime you unlock a scene...
Nice way to end a H scene to think you're late for a zoom call.
 
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Meabe37

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Mar 9, 2023
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the women dont do this out of their free will
But they do ? This is not some kinda a western human trafficking mafia who prostitute womans in the streets with violence and stuff. They are there willingly. Some of them might have been influenced or manipulated to some extent but at the end of the day they choose to be there and are not forced to stay from what i can remember.
 
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Turret

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Jun 23, 2017
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While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. I wouldn't be as turned off if it was a everyone gets a reward kinda thing or the club specifically screened for girls who are into it, but this just felt uncomfortable while playing it also i cant believe that there is still a romance tag on this. The consent is dubious at best in so many scenes. If there was a version of this without the money coercion bit id play the hell out of it but right now it just feels dirty to play this. Which is a shame because there is some real talent with the writing, character design and the models but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
Hi! You made the mistake of seeing "Pale Carnations" as a pure porn game. It isn´t, PC is more a crime noir story (in colour) with erotic/sexy elements. In the story you have an illegal brothel (at least in the US state where PC takes place, where I live it would be legal), human trafficking, unsanctioned medical experiments, a main NPC who has regular "Make him an offer he cannot refuse" moments, the orchestrator of the yearly "games" is a full-blooded sadist, we have missing persons and at least one murder or execution taking place.
In true noir fashion, the game also has flawed characters with their backstories riddled with secrets and our hero is smack in the middle of it. I enjoy PC as a crime story and the interactions/events outside the "games" a lot more than Kath´s fucked up "fun".
 

TD1900

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While I do enjoy most sex scenes the punishment round almost had me throw up. also the exploitation of all the girls is so fucked. I wouldn't be as turned off if it was a everyone gets a reward kinda thing or the club specifically screened for girls who are into it, but this just felt uncomfortable while playing it also i cant believe that there is still a romance tag on this. The consent is dubious at best in so many scenes. If there was a version of this without the money coercion bit id play the hell out of it but right now it just feels dirty to play this. Which is a shame because there is some real talent with the writing, character design and the models but i cant enjoy it because everytime it gets me going im reminded that the women dont do this out of their free will. If you ever release something were the girls actually want to participate I'd be happy to play that bu this is crossing a line for me.
I'm not trying to dissuade you from your conclusion. The club is run by awful people taking advantage of desperate women and the text rarely lets the player forget it. The scenario is icky and you shouldn't play anything you don't find value in.

HOWEVER, I do contend this:

The Carnations may be in dire straits, but I just don't see how you can say they're not consenting to the events. They're not being coerced to participate in the exhibitions by anything other than their own personal circumstances and values. It is exploitation, but... that's what the world is built on, isn't it? People who willingly demean themselves, perform a job they hate for the need of money, or otherwise just sell themselves short. I mean shit, retail is soul crushing and coal mining will destroy your body. Yet, I don't think anyone will contend those jobs are done absent of free will. Company towns aside.

Again, that doesn't make it any less icky, but I think it's a distinction worth talking about as free will and exploitation are themes the scenario are built on. Not only with the Carnations, but with Edwin and Hana as well.
 
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GokutheG

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I'm not trying to dissuade you from your conclusion. The club is run by awful people taking advantage of desperate women and the text rarely lets the player forget it. The scenario is icky and you shouldn't play anything you don't find value in.

HOWEVER, I do contend this:

The Carnations may be in dire straits, but I just don't see how you can say they're not consenting to the events. They're not being coerced to participate in the exhibitions by anything other than their own personal circumstances and values. It is exploitation, but... that's what the world is built on, isn't it? People who willingly demean themselves, perform a job they hate for the need of money, or otherwise just sell themselves short. I mean shit, retail is soul crushing and coal mining will destroy your body. Yet, I don't think anyone will contend those jobs are done absent of free will. Company towns aside.

Again, that doesn't make it any less icky, but I think it's a distinction worth talking about as free will and exploitation are themes the scenario are built on. Not only with the Carnations, but with Edwin and Hana as well.
The only one who this argument feels like it could work for is Felicia. The game does feel like some Harvey Weinstein shit.
 

ffive

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Jun 19, 2022
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The main word here is independent. It doesn't fit with other two. Do you realize that most of the history apart from last 50 years or so people lived in very patriarchal communities? In that kind of environment, if you aren't on the top you aren't independent.
Sigh. This is the meaning of "independence" in the context of discussion we were having:
What Felicia actually wants is to get sufficiently comfortable, wealthy life where she's independent, instead of completely depending on wealth and whims of a rich asshole who picked her for his trophy wife.
Note the part after "instead". No, even 50 years ago (which is, incidentally, fucking 1970s) you didn't have to be the ruler of the world in order to be able to live without a husband and have your own money and a place to live. It is far less of an achievement than you seem to believe it was.

So, where does Felicia fit in? she sacrificed her independence for "sufficiently comfortable, wealthy". You are running in circles.
What circles? Felicia had her wealth in form of allowance and a comfortable place to live provided by her husband, and now she wants to be able to support her own existence. What is "running in crcles" about it?

Realistically, if Felicia can get in the club as a member, then all she needs is to make few hundred thousand of dollars from rich fucks who don't even consider this kind of money as real expenditure. You think she'll have soooo much difficulty convincing a few of them to drop 50-100k on her for what she can provide them with? Don't forget, Chuck has decides to fund Edwin's medical studies (that's ~60k/year) basically on a whim, because his favorite nephew wanted his friend to work with him.
 

GokutheG

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Sigh. This is the meaning of "independence" in the context of discussion we were having:

Note the part after "instead". No, even 50 years ago (which is, incidentally, fucking 1970s) you didn't have to be the ruler of the world in order to be able to live without a husband and have your own money and a place to live. It is far less of an achievement than you seem to believe it was.


What circles? Felicia had her wealth in form of allowance and a comfortable place to live provided by her husband, and now she wants to be able to support her own existence. What is "running in crcles" about it?

Realistically, if Felicia can get in the club as a member, then all she needs is to make few hundred thousand of dollars from rich fucks who don't even consider this kind of money as real expenditure. You think she'll have soooo much difficulty convincing a few of them to drop 50-100k on her for what she can provide them with? Don't forget, Chuck has decides to fund Edwin's medical studies (that's ~60k/year) basically on a whim, because his favorite nephew wanted his friend to work with him.
Even if she wins the membership would the others even respect her enough to pay for whatever talents she has?
 

Darreau91

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I'm not trying to dissuade you from your conclusion. The club is run by awful people taking advantage of desperate women and the text rarely lets the player forget it. The scenario is icky and you shouldn't play anything you don't find value in.

HOWEVER, I do contend this:

The Carnations may be in dire straits, but I just don't see how you can say they're not consenting to the events. They're not being coerced to participate in the exhibitions by anything other than their own personal circumstances and values. It is exploitation, but... that's what the world is built on, isn't it? People who willingly demean themselves, perform a job they hate for the need of money, or otherwise just sell themselves short. I mean shit, retail is soul crushing and coal mining will destroy your body. Yet, I don't think anyone will contend those jobs are done absent of free will. Company towns aside.

Again, that doesn't make it any less icky, but I think it's a distinction worth talking about as free will and exploitation are themes the scenario are built on. Not only with the Carnations, but with Edwin and Hana as well.
I maybe misrembering or interperiting, Samson sabataged Veronica's business with bad contracts/business model preying on her naivite on buisness to coerce into a situation where the carnation club was a last resort. Each time she thought about dropping out she is reminded she'll lose the chance at money and the implications of that with her personal life. Thats forcing someone to do something against thier own will, aka coecersion. Nothing about that is "willingly."

Lets my best friend owns subscribstar and Pale Carnations brings more eyes to the platform. I buy Patreon and give Jeff and Mutt the boot as a favor to best friend for whatever reason. Thats coesering you to make a move to Subscribstar. Your not "willingly" dumping one revenue stream for a lesser one. You were forced unknowingly or not.
 
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