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i don't totally disagree with you. but still veronica had choices and she made her choice. personally i would have walked away and most likly would have found way to live decent life and there is nothing samason could have done about it. so if its coercion its not very effective one.
This only really applies if the person in question has no other options. But to either do what you demand or face negative consequences.
If i offer you to give you a lift to your workplace on condition you sit in my car all naked and masturbate while i drive, but you can also get to work perfectly fine using your own car or public transport, did i coerce you into degrading sexual behavior if you agree with my offer instead of picking other of the options you had?
"Oh, but you knew i'm exhibitionist so it was obvious i'd pick this option!"
Well then, that's on you and indulging in your own kink, then.
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Lucy and Felicia have the resources to deny the ride. Rose and V are in a worse position that's why the club is their only hope(ride).
technically if we want these to be more in line with game. you yesterday also blew up hes car tiers so he cant use it to get to destination and also made deal with hes boss to fire him if hes lateThis only really applies if the person in question has no other options. But to either do what you demand or face negative consequences.
If i offer you to give you a lift to your workplace on condition you sit in my car all naked and masturbate while i drive, but you can also get to work perfectly fine using your own car or public transport, did i coerce you into degrading sexual behavior if you agree with my offer instead of picking other of the options you had?
"Oh, but you knew i was exhibitionist so it was obvious i'd pick this option!"
Well then, that's on you and indulging in your own kink, then.
Rose is the one who is between the rock and hard place with no good alternatives. I'm not questioning that.
But Veronica very much has alternative solutions, and the club isn't her only hope, like already mentioned in this discussion a few times by now. That's the whole reason we even have the discussion in the first place. No one would question it if the club was her only option.
To some extent, but they still can use public transport as alternative way to get to the destination. (or call a taxi, or whatever) It may not be as comfortable as a private car, but it's perfectly viable and good enough for thousands of other people in the same situation. The offer i've made them isn't their only option, that's the whole point.technically if we want these to be more in line with game. you yesterday also blew up hes car tiers so he cant use it to get to destination and also made deal with hes boss to fire him if hes late
i dont want to work but i also want to have nice car. now im in emotional distress trying to understand if my self is coercing me to work to get what i want
what should i do guys. i did not think i could coerce myself 
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Keep playing, this game builds better romance and has some scenes that are more wholesome than any other vanilla trash harem game you'll find on this site. Yes, some of the stuff that happens in the exhibitions is a bit "extreme", but the game has a lot of cute 1 on 1 dates with all the girls where they actually enjoy themselves, if you dare to, give it another shot you won't regret it when you reach those parts of the story.
true but i can say that about anything x coerced me to do y at which point it losses meaning. me wanting ferari led me to killing feraris owner and stealing it .
lets start from beginning Samson is not manager of carnations he is costumer. so EVEN if we can say that samson coerced veronica to join it (which i dont agree with) it still dose not mean that club coerced her. above samsone already explained how yes Samson created situation in which yes taking part in carnetaion sound's better for veronica then alternatives BUT even she says that she understand's that she has alternatives.
I personally dont even have as much as veronica has and you dont see me whoring my self out
(lack of opportunities mostly if money is big im sure we can find some middle ground just saying it out there ) Alright, not to start Carnations War 3, but it made me wonder. TD1900 could i ask, did you maybe consider a scenario further in the game where, having found out about this old people scamming business, Edwin who had voluntary "no strings attached" deal with Rose might want to renege on his promise and call it off?
Not a decision i'd have my Edwin make, but i ask because it's an interesting moral dilemma with a few moving pieces: keeping up one's word, "sins of the past" thing, the fact Edwin learns this by gaining Rose's trust, and the outcome of such decision affecting not just Rose but also by extension her daughter... possibly some other aspects that don't come to mind immediately, too.
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Ah, that may have sounded more glib than I intended when I was conceding to your point. With that last bit, I just meant I should've not said anything. The text should speak for itself and I shouldn't poison the discussion with ramblings that can be seen as authorial intent. Stay in your lane, TD.
Truth be told, the choice to add that detail to Rosalind's character only goes back like three updates. It was conceived during the Oliver stuff when I sat down and made better sense of her family dynamic beyond the "saddled with debt wife" cliche. All I'll say is, and this applies to ANY of the carnations... should the player deem it, trusting in Edwin could backfire for them when the chips are down.
Kathleen isn't crazy enough to touch August's daughter. She already got one scary warning from Chuck to prevent her to involve MC into her business with Abel. I don't put it past August to just make her disappear if she ever try anything funny with Hana.
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I was originally going to make a lot of the points that others have made about this. The Carnations can walk away anytime, etc. Rather than rehash all of that again, I'll instead say the other thing that I thought of when I read your post.
Your reaction touches on one of my absolute favorite things about this game, something I have mentioned in this thread over and over. This game is written in such a way that it forces you to confront these questions, even as Edwin does. If we are to identify with Edwin as the protagonist, then we're forced to acknowledge whatever parallels may exist between him and ourselves, because that's what fiction does and how good writing works. And a lot of fiction doesn't do it well, but PC really does. It continually amazes me that PC has so much of what I cannot help but call Actual Literary Merit -- it's not something I expect in porn games! But TD is a fantastic writer and has created fully-imagined characters that behave like three-dimensional people with their own motivations, goals, and flaws. It's the characters and the story that keep me coming back, as fucked up as some of the situations are. I could watch extreme bondage porn anywhere, if I really wanted to. This is better, because these are people I feel like I know and understand to some extent, rather than merely body parts on a screen.
I think this was answered already, but here's my take: You can play a "nice-ish" MC who tries to take care of the girls and befriend them as much as possible during the terrible ordeal they're going through. In some cases, you can be an actual friend. There are also other girls besides the three Carnations, and your relationship with those girls *can* be a decent one. But the scenario is definitely pretty fucked up, and more or less every character is a walking ball of "I need therapy!" So it's very unlikely that everyone will end up getting a happy ending.
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One last thing I wanted to say re: Veronica without (hopefully) reigniting the whole argument. While she's absolutely been manipulated to take part in the competition, and her situation is certainly desperate, I would say it stops short of actual coercion. There's no threat of hart if she doesn't continue that wouldn't happen anyway. For me that's the difference maker. It's not "We'll do bad things to you if you quit" but rather "we won't step in and save you from the things you're trying to avoid."
Yes, Samson manipulated things and fucked her over, hoping he could manipulate her into joining the competition. But it was her choice to do it. There is no reason except for her own stubbornness that she couldn't let the gym die, put her dreams on hold for a few years, and go work for some corporate gym chain or sports team or whatever else as a personal trainer until she got her feet back under her.
Today I realized TD's avatar is not Weird Al from his Amish Paradise music video. Masturbation does make you go blind, I guess.
On a more on-topic note, I really like how PC is neither a male domination power fantasy nor a magic dick harem. I enjoy both tropes in moderation, but it's nice to deconstruct them from time to time.
On a more on-topic note, I really like how PC is neither a male domination power fantasy nor a magic dick harem. I enjoy both tropes in moderation, but it's nice to deconstruct them from time to time.
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samson isn't innocent but he can't be blamed for veroncia making the brash decision to join the club without thinking about other options first.
sure he is guilty of many things like using her own mentor against her to setting up for failure knowingly but even he admits that when he first suggested the club as a solution to her current problems he expected her to slam his face to the ground yet she didn't.
instead she joined without a second thought , she is like a horse with blinders on who knows only one straight path forward.
all the girls in the club are emotionally vulnerable to manipulation we can see this with hana and rose but unlike the others veronica by far is the most affected because she doesn't have anyone else she trusts to have a second opinion.
she just needs someone to talk things over before she does something rash.
i am not saying she needs someone to second guess her choices , she just needs someone to talk who could show her other available choices.
everyone else has someone who could talk them out of making some real bad choices even if they don't know the full picture yet.
ian has the MC, felicia has mina etc meanwhile veronica's mentor who is supposed to be her confidant is responsible for her current situation.
samson obviously was scheming on how to bring down veronica for a long time but he is more interested in "conquering" her sexually than anything else. he doesn't care about her buisness or her mentor meanwhile veronica dug herself a bigger hole by making kathy her new enemy once she joined the club.
samson might be rich and powerful but not as powerful as abel or any of kathys other friends.
kathy might punish her even more severly and cruelly than anything samson could have dreamed of.
that was pretty evident after veronica was punished twice by kathy for her "insubordination".
sure he is guilty of many things like using her own mentor against her to setting up for failure knowingly but even he admits that when he first suggested the club as a solution to her current problems he expected her to slam his face to the ground yet she didn't.
instead she joined without a second thought , she is like a horse with blinders on who knows only one straight path forward.
all the girls in the club are emotionally vulnerable to manipulation we can see this with hana and rose but unlike the others veronica by far is the most affected because she doesn't have anyone else she trusts to have a second opinion.
she just needs someone to talk things over before she does something rash.
i am not saying she needs someone to second guess her choices , she just needs someone to talk who could show her other available choices.
everyone else has someone who could talk them out of making some real bad choices even if they don't know the full picture yet.
ian has the MC, felicia has mina etc meanwhile veronica's mentor who is supposed to be her confidant is responsible for her current situation.
samson obviously was scheming on how to bring down veronica for a long time but he is more interested in "conquering" her sexually than anything else. he doesn't care about her buisness or her mentor meanwhile veronica dug herself a bigger hole by making kathy her new enemy once she joined the club.
samson might be rich and powerful but not as powerful as abel or any of kathys other friends.
kathy might punish her even more severly and cruelly than anything samson could have dreamed of.
that was pretty evident after veronica was punished twice by kathy for her "insubordination".