(sigh) While respect is nice and helpful, it is not needed for business transactions. If Felcia´s secret knowledge is solid, she WILL get what she wants. There are enough members who will respect her and even among those not respecting her enough will be after the perks and advantages Felicia can bring them.
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Yikes, just seen this post, I'm also not really sure this is my stuff, but I still find some pleasure discovering a great story (because the writing is so far excellent).
I'm ok with the fact that the situation can be really grim, but without spoiling too much, is MC at least trying to "fix things" ? Or he's also a lost soul in a sea of bad guys?
In this case maybe this game is not for me as well. Stuff can be dark, but in order to maintain my suspension of disbelief I don't really want to play as a bad guy, I don't find joy in it [no kink shaming tho, you do you].
Can you guys tell me if I should stop playing or there's hope in this world? (or at least MC is not paved with bad intentions)
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Yeah I forgot that a member used his money and influence to sabotage a woman's buisness to the point where the club was her last resort just for his sick pleasure. Can't really argue things are completely consensual at that point and I doubt he's the only person to pull a stunt like this.
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Yeah that's why I enjoy this game because you can play it as the mc trying to help the girls get through the situation as best he can.
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Yes Samson sabotaged Veronica's business but she could have taken the loss and do something else, work for someone if she can't be independent. But no she has too much pride.
Yes you can play as a nice romantic guy, there is a lot of wholesome moments.
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That argument may hold weight if a member of the club didn't use his power to actively sabotage her efforts in order to fuck her.
And he knew of her pride and manipulated the situation where Samson calculated Veronica would go to the Club as a last resort. Yeah, she may not be aware she is getting played because of her naivite or ego. She was still COERCED into a situation. She didnt just clap her hands and willingly go to the club and decide to drink a goblet of cum because she wanted to get off on some freaky shit while having a chance to win a bag of cash.
even if veronica wins and gets money her business is still failing and same situation will happen again in few months. she knows it she is just stubborn and cant accept defeat
point still stands veronic could have not done that. declared her bussnes bankrupt and walked away she did not do it. yes samson is fuking her over but decision to participate in competition was still veronicas choice.
Coercion generally is understood to involve force, threats or at the very least, intimidation. Veronica was manipulated into the situation, but the decision to choose this option instead of others she's had available was still hers.
Just read my earlier post (nr.18,314) for a rough overview. You can play our hero as a nice guy, trying to help everyone, you can be a nice guy, who helps where his interests lie and let some things be as they are or you can play as n a..., following Kath´s footsteps as her junior sadist.
The situation is more messy than you say. Samson is crushing hard on Veronika, but since she is far more lesbian leaning than hetero, he has few chances. To get her, he cooked up his plan and sabotaged her gym. Which actually was not so difficult, since it already was in dangerous waters before Samson met Veronika.
Veronika could also just walk away, start anew and life her dream! Her situation is not that bad, but Samson recognized her mule-like stubborness and used it against her.
Which is why I brought up the threats of losing out on a chance to win when Carnations were getting skittish. Kathleen is well aware of every carnations situation and used it against them when needed to keep them in line.
That’s intimidation, a threat, force, and coercion.
But that is after Veronica has made her decision to participate in the contest, a decision she was not coerced into. These are two different things, and people are talking about that initial decision of hers.
And honestly, the worst threat Kat has is "well you won't win" which does not prevent Veronica from pursuing those other solutions, should she actually quit. At this point she's largely falling for the sunk cost fallacy.
veronika can walk out any time and no one will be able to stop her. my boss saying to me that if i don't show up at work im fired is not abnormal.
if i rember right samson forced veronicas master to sell her gym without giving her information that it was already failing
No. Samson pushed her to join the club using her own personality flaws against her. That’s not willingly joining when a circumstances push you into a certain direction when the lively hood is on the line. Yes, Veronica was completely unaware. Samson knew the consequences.
Legal Definitioncoercion. noun. co·er·cion kō-ˈər-zhən, -shən. : the use of express or implied threats of violence or reprisal (as discharge from employment) or other intimidating behavior that puts a person in immediate fear of the consequences in order to compel that person to act against his or her will.
yes and there is no fear of violence or reprisal so by your definition its cant be considered that. telling veronicaa that if she wont get money she will lose business is NOT violence or reprisal that's just how capitalism works.
if i dont pay my bills i will be evicted from house. landlord saying that to me is not coercion.
if i dont pay bills on my car and if im in debt it may get reposed its still not coercion.
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That does muddy the water, doesn't it? And, Veronica aside, using a charity to recruit a desperate Rosalind is in the same ball park. No matter how you cut it, it's a skeevy, morally bankrupt, illegal affair.
Honestly, I may have overextended with my thoughts and fallen on my face here. I actually bank on the scenario not being so clear cut, so declaring where I personally draw the line with character accountability was reactionary and argumentative. Especially when the heart of the comment was more or less "women in difficult situations ain't sexy." A lukewarm take, but yet here I am now organizing my thoughts with the predominant argument inching toward "...does anyone consent to be born?!" nonsense.
I'll take that as a sign that I should bow out and leave the hard part of making sense of my jerk off material to those more qualified.
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now for real question did we get any content with veronica in last 2 updates i have not played them yet and thinking if i should wait some more
Again, "circumstances have pushed her" is not the same as a person using actual active threats, implied violence etc in order to force someone to make certain decision. In the very legal sense that you quote Samson has not coerced Veronica into anything. He created a situation where participation in the contest has became appealing option for Veronica but it was just that, an option. She's had other ways to resolve her issue, and ironically those other options didn't involve participating in a stupid and degrading sex game.
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sorry guys, kinda dropped out from the discussion from last week - are we still in Felicia Wars phase?